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General Discussion / Re: Probable website downtime
« on: March 16, 2018, 07:13:06 pm »
Yes, works.

Programming / Re: 10% Fundraising for QT5 and new Browser
« on: March 13, 2018, 09:45:39 pm »
Why are you bringing up QtWebKit?  BitWise is not on this forum; and elsewhere they've said they have not yet selected the browser framework.
Sorry I just read from the referred chat protocol the following:
[11:21:39] <_diver> Yes as Qt5 has webkit.  And when this works a browser is a easy port

We need Qt first, and the selection of the browser framework should be done as late as possible.
So what's the problem, Qt sources are open for more than 10 years.

Obviously a simple error in his post. In previous threads it has already been made clear that Qtwebengine will be ported. We have webkit already and it is indeed outdated.

Networking / Re: RTL8211CL DRIVER
« on: February 26, 2018, 07:28:03 pm »
...I seem to recall a recent discussion about this... found it. Have a read,1519.0.html...

Thanks Pete...yup, it was a great move to fix the SMP hang, but with the performance being so bad I found that it just did not work for me. Strangely the ticket I logged has simply gone un-answered (

Seems it was an oversight. Your ticket has been answered now...

Programming / Re: Trying to build my First RPM Package
« on: February 26, 2018, 07:24:55 pm »

I would like to thank you call to create my first RPM package.


Thanks go to you, Martin, for your contributions to the community.

Comments, Suggestions & Questions / Re: Censorship complaints
« on: February 26, 2018, 07:21:35 pm »
There is someone on this forum who doesn't seem to know the meaning of the word nepotism.....


   Rpmdb checksum is invalid: dCDPT (pkg checksums)

Is that anything to be concerned about? - ANPM seems to show all updates were successful...

That is a known defect, can be ignored.

Applications / Re: arcamap.ndc
« on: January 23, 2018, 10:47:49 pm »
Start arcamapper, set up your connections and choose file>save  and fill in arcamap.ndc as filename.

Article Discussions / Re: Sponsorship needed for new OS/2 web browser
« on: November 18, 2017, 09:55:37 pm »
Some considerations about this sponsorship drive:

It is indeed not clear which browser will be ported and not even when. I am not happy about that myself. I still gave my consent as a VOICE board member, for a number of reasons.
It has become increasingly clear that porting Firefox is too resource intensive, for reasons already stated in this thread, o.a. the rapid major code changes. Choosing an alternative takes time. Porting the alternative takes more time. Getting the necessary funds together also takes time. By raising money now we save time later.
Software development does not come for free, at least not when there are few developers and therefore full time development by the sparse developers is needed.
Although there is no alternative browser chosen yet, the developers have been chosen, namely BWW, because they have proven to deliver.

Others may think differently. Everyone is free to choose if they will contribute or not.

As for the comments in this thread about buggy software, lack of tools etc., when I take into account the number of bugreports in the firefox bug tracker by the main complainants I get the strong impression that complaining or even trolling is more important to some than actually helping getting bugs fixed.

Web applications / Re: Oddities with Youtube.
« on: November 18, 2017, 09:16:00 pm »

Sure. At least one of the results of the theory of this concept is that several people in our niche market still seem to be using SM 2.35 or FF 38, and have stopped trying to use Mozilla's latest available product for their OS. Scores update: animated dancing bears +1, users -1.

I have an old machine that not even Mosaic will install on. I wholly agree with you that all new software should be fully backwards compatible with older hardware. Any suggestions for a browser that will still run on this thing?

Web applications / Re: Oddities with Youtube.
« on: November 02, 2017, 09:52:48 pm »
Latest version needs ff48

Mail-News / Re: PMMail 3.22 and SMTP authentication...can it do that?
« on: October 13, 2017, 11:37:04 pm »
Remember, without VOICE there would likely not have been a fairly current Firefox, Java, QT4 etc.

I would like to add that without the efforts and sponsoring of the community there would exist nothing of OS/2 at all,  even no Voice.
Yes, indeed. In the end it the community is what keeps OS/2 alive.

Mail-News / Re: PMMail: 2.00.xx to 3.22 migration...what to do?
« on: October 13, 2017, 09:09:04 pm »
Error 16 - Label not found


A SIGNAL instruction has been executed or an event for which a trap was set with SIGNAL ON has occurred, and the language processor could not find the label specified. You might have mistyped the label or forgotten to include it.

The associated subcodes are:


    Label "label_name" not found

Doesn't mean much to me.  The fact that the file is 0 bytes might be because you don't have any groups defined? Wouldn't effect a copy operation anyway. Something triggers an error condition in the rexx script. A bug report is a good idea, and drop it in the mailinglist too.

Mail-News / Re: PMMail 3.22 and SMTP authentication...can it do that?
« on: October 13, 2017, 07:52:50 pm »
PMMail is an incentive to sponsor VOICE

</silence>No matter which stories, excuses and arguments people and VOICE are trying to use to justify a weird construction, this type of tying is illegal according to their Dutch competition laws (Mededingingswet). Buy VOICE's product once, and VOICE has the freedom to use its turnover to sponsor itself. It would be as simple as that, without offending potential users by making them support any irrelevant organization with illegal sales constructions.

And, of course, it's bogus that a Dutch foundation has no members (leden). If you are a member of a community which was forced to support VOICE, then - in Dutch - you are a member of VOICE. You'll never be invited for a member's meeting, but e.g. VOICE can say that you are a member of VOICE. Strictly: a member of a group. If you have a commercial AN Software Subscription, then in Dutch you're a member of AN.

In a nutshell: just sell the product as a stand-alone product, perhaps allow others to become a reseller too, and use the proceeds to sponsor the owner of the product. That's legal, normal, not as weird as having to support VOICE directly, and quite easy...<silence>

Falsely accusing a legal entity of illegal activities constitutes slander. Your comments here are crossing the line of common decency.

Mail-News / Re: PMMail 3.22 and SMTP authentication...can it do that?
« on: October 13, 2017, 02:52:23 am »
I really don't understand the issue. If one wants to obtain PMMail, sponsor 50 dollars to VOICE. Regard it as buying, and the 50 as the price. Simple as that. You do not become a member, because a Dutch 'stichting' does not have members, you don't have any obligations. Your money will be well spent, it will all flow back into software development, Warpstock and promotional activities (the latter usually don't cost any money). As Roderick and I said, there is -no- overhead, all received funds go the goals set in the VOICE statutes. Not 50%, not 70%, not 99%, the full 100%. You may not agree with which software VOICE sponsors, but hey, if you buy a program from a software vendor your money will only benefit this vendor, not the community as a whole. PMMail is an incentive to sponsor VOICE, by sponsoring VOICE one sponsors the viability of the platform. Remember, without VOICE there would likely not have been a fairly current Firefox, Java, QT4 etc.

Mail-News / Re: PMMail 3.22 and SMTP authentication...can it do that?
« on: October 12, 2017, 10:22:36 pm »
</silence>Of course the whole VOICE-construction is illegal, even in the country of the foundation. Often old upgrade rights and a changed owner aren't that relevant, because it's easy to introduce a new main version or a new product name.

This type of koppelverkoop, tying, having to buy V because you want P, will be illegal in Netherland too. V's market share w.r.t. selling P is exactly 100%. That'll exceed the legal limit of 50%. P is not related to V. You cannot avoid having to buy V if you want P. There is no objective justification, and so on. What VOICE is doing is illegal, no matter what their goals are.<silence>

You are obvously not a lawyer. Koppelverkoop is not illegal. It is only not allowed if certain conditions are met. Furthermore, in order for something to be koppelverkoop, two products must be sold. VOICE does not sell PMMail. We are giving it for free to anyone who either sponsors VOICE for two consecutive years, or for those who sponsor with two standard sponsorunits. Sponsoring VOICE is not buying a product, so, in fact, no products at all are being sold.

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