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General Discussion / Re: registering to upload to hobbes
« on: January 30, 2017, 09:34:52 pm »
Any chance of tying Hobbes login information in with one of the community sites such as  so that Hobbes would authenticate through a community site?

General Discussion / Re: and eComStation
« on: July 16, 2015, 03:41:13 am »

I for one want to thank you for continuing to work on eCS even when the situation became more difficult amid both company changes and user feedback/criticism.  I can understand how that would be difficult, and I am looking forward to the new version of eCS.

As for the pauses / crashes upon boot, I ran into something similar to what Doug talks about on a machine years ago (Warp 4 based), I don't recall exactly what it was but there was something I ended up putting in the startup/config.sys that caused it to pause for about 5 seconds, never had a problem booting again.  Unfortunately that machine is long gone or I'd check to see what it was I'd done.

General Discussion / Re: News from the front line
« on: July 08, 2015, 03:27:11 am »

...but I also noticed a boycott campaign by someone calling OS/2 community members one by one to tell to do not help XEU at all.


One thing that we all need to keep in mind is that regardless of the fact that 2.2 has been promised for several years and has not been released, we still need XEU around - if only for the fact that it is the only way to easily get new eCS / OS/2 licenses.  If a boycott were to take place then it is entirely possible that XEU's revenue on the product would drop to nothing, which could eventually lead to a the product being withdrawn.  For that reason, I can't see any benefit to such a campaign.

Without XEU, then there is no way to license a new copy of OS/2 / eCS (and I'm not talking about used ebay copies that you have to apply a bunch of fixes to)

Applications / Re: Favorite/Required non-opensource OS/2-eCs apps?
« on: May 26, 2015, 07:26:17 am »
Didn't PostRoadMailer get opensourced and rewritten in Java as Polarbar mailer?

Polarbar is the open sourced version of J-Street Mailer, which was the Java-based email client that Innoval sold.  However as I recall it wasn't a straight port (although I believe there was a bunch of shared code - if I recall correctly it was the same team of people doing the coding on both).

Regardless, the one I'd like is PostRoad, as the native OS/2 client (I still have it installed on my OS/2 partition, bugs and all!).  I was never a big fan of the Java client.

At this point I don't even know if the source code still exists.  I've emailed Dan Porter a few times to ask about it but have not received a reply.  That suggests that I either have an incorrect email address for him (very possible) or he isn't interested (also possible).  Either way is fine - it is his choice after  all.  Bit it is one app that I'd love to see the source made available.

Applications / Re: Favorite/Required non-opensource OS/2-eCs apps?
« on: May 24, 2015, 12:17:09 am »
I know i have listed this before, but will again.


Still my favourite email app.

Yes, I seem to recall that switching resolutions without a reboot is something that PM does not support, and would take a major rewrite of various portions of PM to make it happen (not to mention that this might make various apps stop working).

I could be wrong, but if my memory is correct then it is unlikely to happen regardless of who has the rights to the driver.

But I too am encouraged by this news.  I also am one who continues to use SNAP, I find it works better then just about anything else out there for video.

General Discussion / Re: Haiku OS and its Niche.
« on: April 09, 2015, 04:39:49 am »
A few things to keep in mind.

TuneTrakker has been available for quite some time, originally it was developed to be a radio automation system to run on top of BeOS.  When BeOS development stopped, from what I understand they had an agreement to allow them to continue to distribute their own distribution of BeOS with their product (similar to how OS/2 is distributed as a part of eCS).  I believe for a while they also distributed their system on top of Zeta too.  Then eventually to Haiku once it developed enough for actual use. 

The only other (business) options that Tunetrakker had would have been to either try and port to another OS (Windows or Linux most likely), which likely would have required a significant rewrite.  Or to just close up new sales and go into maintenance mode (maintaining current customers). Once Haiku reached the point of being a solid OS, it was the obvious route to go from a business standpoint.

I wouldn't say this is a "niche" for Haiku, since quality radio automation software does exist for Windows, Linux, and Mac (and yes, I do know this as I work in the radio broadcast industry).  Bundling Haiku with the TuneTrakker / Command Center product seems more like the people behind TuneTrakker using the opportunity that Haiku offers for them to be able to continue to offer their product and keep their business moving forward.  Of course there is nothing wrong with this, and it does provide a path for TuneTrakker to continue to be updated and improved, providing upgrade and support options for both current and potential new customers of the software.

You might not know this, but there was at one point a radio automation system developed to run on top of OS/2.  It was called Startrax.  While it was a solid system for its day, I'm not aware of any stations currently running it any more.

IBM intended to have replaced the original design of OS/2 by 1997 with a more up to date and more coherent variant, rather than the rather thrown together OS they had on their hands, replicating the original design in 2025 is such a strange idea........

This is pretty much what the original plan for the PPC version was.  Keep in mind - the PPC version of OS/2 wasn't just a port of OS/2, it was a new OS framework based on top of a microkernel.  The idea was that you'd have a microkernel for a particular hardware architecture, and then run the OS environment of your choice on top of it.  The plan was to have multiple OS environments available, and have microkernels for different architectures.  OS/2 happened to be the only OS environment that reached any point of near completion when that whole project got cancelled.  Some of the remains ended up in Warp 4, Warp Server, and some eventually into Warp 3 via fixpaks, but most of what's left of that project - at least what we've seen in public - is on the OS/2 for the PPC beta CDs that have turned up from time to time.


Wise Manager was the product I recall, and no, we did not get the rights to it (nor was it discussed). that said, Olafur seems to have a better recollection of the available offerings (but no, we neither asked for nor received any of these).

Yes Wise Manager is the product that I was thinking of.  Thanks to everyone for refreshing my memory.


I seem to recall that one of Serenity System's early products was a product that could easily push configurations and applications from a central server out to multiple workstations.  Unfortunately i can't recall the name of that product, but I do seem to recall it worked fairly well.  Any idea what happened to that software (and did you happen to get the rights to it as a part of this announcement)? 

Just curious.

Applications / Re: No word from Mensys/XEU - Alternatives?
« on: January 13, 2015, 04:54:18 am »
The evidence was wrong. JFS 0.0.1 included the reference source which is full of OS2isms (actually it looks like plain old OS/2 code that should compile with Visual Age ), things like jfs_os2.h and randomly looking, in fs/jfs/ref/jfs_ea.c code like
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#define _cdecl __cdecl

#include <os2.h>

I found the source at
I also have a vague memory about the LVM code also being open sourced but have never seen it.

Okay, I am corrected, it is entirely possible that I am incorrect about the part of them removing OS/2 code.  However it was entered into evidence that it was the OS/2 version of JFS that was open-sourced for Linux.  There was no evidence presented to contradict this (and SCO was looking for such evidence).  I admit that I have not looked at the GPL'd JFS code, but based on the above, it does appear that this was in fact the OS/2 version that was ported to Linux.

Anyways, within the realm of this discussion, JFS is one of those components of OS/2 which has been open sourced and thus could be used within any OS it gets ported to.

Applications / Re: No word from Mensys/XEU - Alternatives?
« on: January 12, 2015, 09:01:23 pm »
I just updated JFS, the license is definitely not open source and instead looks like a standard closed source license. If people and/or companies are taking GPL source and closing it to sell then it reflects really badly on the community. I was always under the impression that the updating work was done with the OS/2 branch of JFS rather then the Linux branch.
Unluckily with the GPL, it is an all or nothing thing.


Actually what came out in evidence at the SCO versus IBM trial is that the open source / GPL version of JFS which IBM released was the OS/2 version from WSeB minus the OS/2 stuff. (for those who didn't follow the SCO vs IBM trial, at one point SCO tried to claim that IBM had improperly open sourced the AIX JFS code, to which IBM was able to prove that it used its own code developed for WSeB)

Applications / Re: No word from Mensys/XEU - Alternatives?
« on: January 11, 2015, 08:31:36 pm »
But I still think that we should have another alternative.

Plan B: Create an community OS/2 distro that requires original OS/2 ISO (or even from eCS) and license to be build.

Forgive me if I am misunderstanding, but isn't that what UpdCD currently does?  I can take an IBM ISO for Warp 3, Warp 4, or eCS and run it through UpdCD - which will add in newer device drivers, fixpaks, community-built device drivers, additional software (both GPL and non-GPL but still freely available), and end up with an updated ISO that I can install containing the latest IBM provided code for that particular release plus the various community-based additions/updates that I chose to add.

I'm not sure how that differs from what you're suggesting.


Applications / Re: No word from Mensys/XEU - Alternatives?
« on: January 10, 2015, 10:16:04 pm »
As I remember, Microsoft was getting a cut for Winos2 before Warp V4 which is why there were red and blue box versions of OS/2 with different price points (redbox V3 was being sold at the drugstore for $50CDN at one point) and didn't have to pay royalties on Warp V4 and newer. They also got paid for HPFS386 which was part of the reason for JFS.

Yup!  One of the Warp 3 (red) boxes that I have on the shelf still has the original price stickers on it - $49.95.  I actually found that copy in a bargin-bin in the end of 1996 when it was marked down to $14.99 not long after Warp 4 was released (seems the store wanted to purge the old product).  I'd mainly bought it to have an additional spare OS/2 license for V3.

Interestingly enough - a year later I set up a Warp 3 box for a customized task that just needed to work, and for that box I used that red-box license that I bought for $14.99.  Although all the hardware with the exception of the case has been replaced (new motherboard, hard drive, sound card, memory, power supply, etc), there is still a system running that same task on V3 with that same license.

As far as the abandonware discussion goes, I do not consider OS/2 to be abandonware, and I find there are a lot of difficulties and assumptions with the wikipedia definition.  I've got some industry-specific code that I wrote years ago and have not done updates for in years.  It still works and does exactly what it was designed to do.  I admit that I don't actively enforce copyright on it, however I continue to hold copyright on all my code.  Just because I have not done anything with my code in years does not mean I consider it to be abandoned - if someone came to me with additional requirements and a proposal that made sense to me, I'd consider the possibility of a change / update.

Applications / Re: No word from Mensys/XEU - Alternatives?
« on: January 08, 2015, 01:45:15 am »

Warp 4 with FP 6 is even older.  The latest public fixpak for Warp 4 is FP15 and DDPak 2 (Device Driver fixpak).  There were additional FP's released for Warp 4 for those with  a SWC or other type of paid subscription.

Warp 4 + FP15 + DDPak 2 brings you up to Warp 4.50 (legally), but the non-CP version (the CP version was the SWC version / update, which essentially was a client version of WSeB - the base OS without the extra "server" stuff)

The big changes with the CP version of Warp 4 (what we know as 4.52) is the addition of LVM and JFS.  There were a number of other things (bug fixes, device driver updates, updated installer so it wouldn't crap out on AMD and then Intel 64-bit processors, etc).  It also came with the full 32 bit TCP/IP stack (although that can be added to Warp 4).

As for eCS, the big updates are a new installer, device drivers to make installation easier, with version 2 - bootable JFS, and additonal software to make the overall experience an easier one.

As far as I am aware, Mensys does not have direct access to OS/2 source code, other then code which IBM has themselves made available (such as code in the Device Driver  / Development Tools, etc).  Some code IBM has released to open source (JFS for example).  As a result bugs which require direct access to OS/2 source code to fix still go unfixed.  However things which can be fixed by hooking into existing code or replacing existing code with alternate code (such as device drivers, the work that has been done to get ACPI working, etc) - that's seen attention.

Applications / Re: No word from Mensys/XEU - Alternatives?
« on: January 07, 2015, 04:44:53 pm »

I'd just point out, in addition to the fact that Lewis has already stated that Arca Noae isn't looking to do a full client - is that right now the only way to (easily) get V4.52 is via eCS or to have an IBM license already to which you paid IBM for (or to negotiate directly with IBM).  It isn't something you're able to find copies of on the used market.

Unlike V4 (which was released in a box / shrink-wrap version), IBM only released V4.52 as a part of Software Choice (and I believe also for a while it was in the Developer and educational software collections), for those who had paid IBM for a SWC subscription.  From what I recall (and someone feel free to correct me if I am incorrect) the SWC subscriptions were not transferable.  I think (and again, I'm going from memory here - it was a long time ago) the version of 4.52 which is part of eCS - technically is a different IBM part number then the SWC version  - even though the code is identical.  The part number licensed to Serenity / Mensys came with a licensing setup allowing for eCS to be developed / distributed by Serenity / Mensys.

As a result, my understanding is that it is okay to sell a boxed V4 copy used (ebay or where ever), just as I believe it is okay to sell a used copy of eCS (I could be incorrect on this part).  However I don't believe it is legal to sell a "used" copy of IBM OS/2 V4.52 due to the way SWC was set up / licensed.

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