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Applications / Re: Java Applications
« on: June 02, 2013, 02:28:04 am »
Oh yes, I did, you didn't read the "disapproved" section. There you can read why I disapproved the program. I don't give instructions how to set up a program by knowing that it will knock down your system sometimes in a very terrible way.

Applications / Re: Java Applications
« on: June 01, 2013, 02:05:39 pm »
I have a page about Java, see You can read how to install (of course my way ;-) ) together with an OS/2 icon or if needed other additional files.

Article Discussions / Re: eComStation 2.2 Beta First Impressions
« on: April 14, 2013, 10:51:01 am »
Hi Doug

I think I've found the cause of my usb "mouse" problem: USB Legacy support was Enabled in the mainboard BIOS.
Changing that to Disabled has resulted in no problems when booting using the IBM 10.162 builds of usbd.sys, usbhid.sys, usbehcd.sys and usbohcd.sys and the mouse has been active when the Desktop has loaded.

Lars 10.186 builds do not like my wireless trackball as they cause boot to stop until the usb receiver is removed from the usb port.

I've yet to retest the usb drivers supplied with eCS 2.2 beta

I've also discovered the cause of the slooow boot time I've been experiencing with eCS2.2 beta: BASEDEV=OS2AHCI.ADD /Q
Putting REM in front of that line has improved matters greatly - about the same boot time as my eCS 2.1 installation.


You need need to upgrade to MOUSE.SYS and USBMOUSE.SYS version IBM:10.163 or AMOUSE
version NB:2.7 or later. If not than only an attached USB pointng device will not work, with lower version you need to attach an ordinary mouse to serial or ps port. Have had similar problems with Wacom tablets. Also be sure its in the right order in your config.sys.


Applications / Re: Java bugs are not fixed?
« on: January 09, 2013, 09:38:45 pm »
And I can't edit the header once the bug is filed, even if I am the owner.

Not true, even I can edit it with my id:

  • Select the bug.
  • Log in (either now or before).
  • Scroll down.
  • Click on "> Modify Ticket".
  • Two group boxes open. The summary can be edited there.
Good for you, I can't, tried it many times.

Applications / Re: Java bugs are not fixed?
« on: January 08, 2013, 01:41:35 am »
I would have just added a comment to ticket 189 stating that the behaviour is the same in GA4.

Having two tickets - 189 saying it doesn't work in GA3, and 199 saying it doesn't workin GA4 makes no sense to me...
Thanks Paul, but the header of the bug contains old information if with a new version the bug persists. So with filtering there is a possibility that you never see the comments about the new version. And I can't edit the header once the bug is filed, even if I am the owner.

Applications / Re: Java bugs are not fixed?
« on: January 05, 2013, 02:34:57 pm »
As one of the bugs was for a special Java App and the App Dev fixed the thinggy I closed the bug. I really see no reason to let such a bug open. If there are more Apps behaving the same, open a new bugrepport. And we will for sure look at all bugs when time permits.
Was not one specific program, just a program where I could with the developer pinpoint the problem. Put in the program because its easy for reproduction of the bug, but there are more. To give you an idea whats happening;

I got this message after testing the bug in the new GA4 version and report about it;

"please don't open several tickets for the same issue. this is useless and leads to nothing."

So you tell me, putting one program in the bugtracker I get its only one specific program, we don't fix.
Put in several programs in the bugtracker with same issue I get above message.

So you tell me how to put in bugs.

You can be assured that if I put in a bug with a program that its an example with which you can easily repeat the circumstances which causes the bug. Its by no means the only program with the problem.

Applications / Java bugs are not fixed?
« on: January 04, 2013, 02:23:45 pm »
I did put in some found defects, I'm an end user, can not always point out with "this is the problem". I see things happening, but sometimes its not clear if it is Java or if it is Odin.

With JGraphite the developer was so kind to put in extra code to solve a problem in OS/2-eCS. The problem is simple. You have to download an older version, because in the latest its fixed, but the developer want to get the code out again!
Open a picture and give the command Full Screen Preview. You get an image with the same resolution as the installed monitor size, ie you only see the picture and OS2-eCS and all others are somewhere in the background. With the escape key you have to go back, but in the older versions and with also other programs, this doesn't work, even worse, the whole WPS does go down. Also Alt-Tab or something else doesn't close the full screen session or get you proper back. Its clear a bug, pretty pinpointed too I think.

But I get back that they can't solve everything in Java. The developer fixed it,  bug report (ticket) closed. Excuse me?

I already have Java programs which don't work in Java 1.4.2_05 or 1.60whatever because that version is not SUN Java based, have programs which do work in 1.60whatever, but does only the right things when Odin 0.71. is active, later versions no file management, ie you can open a file load screen, but can't sort or display it in an other manner as icons tell you. Version 1.60ga2 and up no menu in ImageJ (if something is actively maintained, this program is one of them), also ask the guys (not related to OS/2-eCS) to fix it for OS/2-eCS?

Now my question.
Is this the way we have to go? Funding stuff which doesn't work? Your bug will be solved (hopefully) if you donate XX$ again?
We have some credit out there. If I write and can pinpoint the problem clear enough then they (not related to OS/2-eCS) are willing too solve if its easy to fix. But if we're going the way the "dev fixed it" instead of solving our own bugs then I'm afraid this will end sooner than later. I like OS/2-eCS, have invested lots of time, do crazy things where other systems have great difficulties, but there is a point that even I say its enough.
Sorry for this thread, but I think I have to let you know what's happening right now. I'm not pleased with it.

Also my question about version 1.7 aka 7 did get the answer of donating more $. I did donate a fare amount of money to pull version 6 of, but what's enough money for a private user? This seems a well without bottom.


Applications / Re: Java applications
« on: January 03, 2013, 01:10:16 am »
I'm running SmartGit 2.1.8
Downloaded 3.0.11 today. Try to set it up, get back one line

"Not (yet) supported operating system OS/2"

I know its a later version, but there are some troubles with the program if you read between the installer lines in the .sh file.
Program isn't programmed in the right way, if you come up with the above line then the least I expect is that Java is aborted in the right way, not, got a stalled system, nothing could be started after running the program. Had to reboot.
Third thing I noticed is that you need to specify memory in this way "-Xmx256m -Dsmartgit.vm-xmx=256m", didn't see any memory declaration in your command line, so errors might be problems due to memory heap. One of the typical behaviors  of our OpenJDK implementation is that it shows all kinds of errors which aren't an error just because there wasn't enough memory.
I didn't find anything like " -Dsmartgit.checkIncompatibleJava=false"
I think this is wrong "-jar ./lib/smartgit.jar" and should be "-jar ./lib/bootloader.jar" unless there are so much differences between 3.0.11 and 2.1.8.
It is very closed, I have to register twice to get into, one with syntevo and one with Yahoo or something. Next Smartgit needs another program(s) which I don't run.

Downloaded your version, there are differences between 3.0.11 and 2.1.8. The thing which stays is -Xmx${MAXIMUM_HEAP_SIZE} -Dsmartgit.vm-xmx=${MAXIMUM_HEAP_SIZE} which isn't in your command line.
The "-jar ./lib/smartgit.jar" is right for version 2.1.8. So I think that if you specify heap_size that all problems are gone.

Also find this in a readme file in 2.1.8;
You need to ensure that a Java Runtime Environment from SUN, version >= 1.5 or
higher (version 1.6.* is recommended), is installed on your system. GNU Java
(GCJ) or OpenJDK is not fully compatible yet and hence not sufficient to run

So its clear why I got the message with 3.0.11.... Raising a ticket is right, but I doubt if we can solve that in our implementation of OpenJDK.

Applications / Re: Java applications
« on: January 03, 2013, 12:17:44 am »
I have a question trying to run SmartGit.

snip 8< ..........

I tried opening a ticket, ( but I'm not sure if it is a defect.

I don't know, have to find out. Do know that not everything is implemented or works. There are differences between Sun Java and Open JDK. So this might be one of them.


Applications / Re: Java applications
« on: January 03, 2013, 12:12:12 am »
Joop, may I ask a question? 

I use many of the java programs you highlight without using a command file, in fact all I do is make a standard program object for each program.  At the moment I have not seen any problems doing it that way.  So my question is what are the advantages of using a command file to start these java programs?

Own environment and I use different Java versions (Java 1.4.2_05, Java 1.60GA or Java 1.60GA3) for some programs, if started from a program object your config.sys plays a role. So sometimes it can, sometimes it can't. Problem with program object is that you can't see what your typing in because of the limit length of the fields. And how do you put in the separate set lines? I know someone who uses Run with env files. So there is not one way to start a program within OS/2-eComStation. I found the way I do very easy, own environment and you can switch very easy if something doesn't work out. But your free to use any method to fire your programs.

Comments, Suggestions & Questions / Re: OS2World WebLinks - Submit a Link
« on: January 01, 2013, 11:00:57 pm »
Thanks for the links posted. It seems that the "Submit a Link" is working fine.

Everybody is welcome to keep posting the links I'm missing.

Thanks Martin, saw some typo's, this is the right text, can you update?

You can read about "Why OS/2-eComStation?". I have solutions and programs in folders like eCS session, Win 16 session, Dos session, My solutions and Java solutions. I try to be as complete as possible, give solutions, but not "the" or "the only one". There is not only one solution in eComStation. I try to update it regularly, but other things come first as with everyone. Have fun.


Applications / Re: Java applications
« on: January 01, 2013, 09:50:23 pm »
Updated the page today. I made some changes to Borg, its more cosmetic for the page. Put in a new program OpenProj. Both can be found in Office programs. Updated the pages "test phase" and "disapproved".

All can be found here;


Applications / Re: Java applications
« on: January 01, 2013, 09:46:16 pm »
Thanks, Joop! Great effort
Thanks Bjorn.

Applications / Re: Java applications
« on: January 01, 2013, 06:35:27 pm »
Thanks Joop

The page looks great.
Thanks Martin, tried the new link option, seems to work so far.

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