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Applications / OS/4 (non technical issues)
« on: June 16, 2020, 09:33:00 pm »
I would point out, that the Arca Naoe drivers etc. are licensed for use with supported versions of OS/2, by users who have a subscription, when the driver is released. OS/4 is NOT OS/2, and there is NO support, at all, when using them with OS/4. Strictly speaking, it is probably illegal to use any of them with OS/4. The released source is available. Build, and support, your own, if you want to use them.

I will also point out, that using my Logical Config.Sys Sort (LCSS) program will sort your CONFIG.SYS properly. It is at HOBBES. LCSS will probably work with OS/4, but I don't intend to support it in OS/4 (or even with 4OS2)..

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Hardware / Re: USB 3 - ArcaOS - Hardware Reports
« on: June 13, 2020, 05:42:41 am »
Hi Martin,
The sound on the stack is crumpled. The problem is manifested if loaded more than one processor. The problem is present in all stacks of version 12.x.

The USB audio, that gets installed, is the older AN version, that doesn't work (well, it makes noise). Use E:\CID\SERVER\ARCAPKG\USBAUD2.WPI (E: is the drive where you mount the installer ISO, or DVD), and it will probably work.

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As there is no problem with attaching/ejecting the same USB3 drive to the same hardware multiple times when booted into Windows it is not likely to be a "flaky connector".

Windows is a completely different animal.  Error recovery is a lot more aggressive. Are you sure that it is connecting as USB3 in windows? Are you sure that it connects as USB 3 in OS/2? It is not easy to tell.

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Not sure how important the error codes are but after the 1st eject the USB3 drive cannot be attached until after a reboot usually - very occasionally it does attach a 2nd time but never a third time.

I don't know what the error codes are trying to tell you. It appears that error 12 just means there is nothing connected. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that error 16 simply means it had some sort of communication error. I do know that USB 3 works, multiple times, when I have a good connection. It does what you describe, when there is a flaky connection. Type A connectors are horrible things, and they do cause problems. If you take time to adjust them, perfectly, they work a lot better. Even then, I have a couple of devices that just won't connect as USB 3, in one connector. That same device works okay in different connectors, and other USB 3 devices work fine in the one where it fails.

90% likely that the problem is caused by a flaky connector. From what I have heard, error recovery, in the OS/2 driver is still being worked on. It is a preview version, after all.

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I had added that line after usbehcd.sys - following the "traditional" order 1] uhcd, 2] ohcd, 3] ehcd.

Will try moving the line as I have experienced 2 instances of my USB3 drive not attaching - always attaches the 1st time it is used but after ejecting the drive it sometimes cannot be attached again without a reboot.

Apparently, the line order doesn't matter, as long as they all come after USBD.SYS.

A USB 3 device that won't attach, is probably a flaky connector, even if you have already used it.

I see that USBXHCD PREVIEW (with all it's warts) has been released for AN subscription holders. Get it in the usual place. It should do the install properly.

If you plan to UPDATE to ArcaOS 5.0.5, it may be a good idea to install the 12.6 package first, especially if you plan to use an USB 3 controller for the UPDATE. I highly recommend  installing the 12.6 package, plus the USBXHCD Preview package if you have USB 3 hardware.

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Hi

Is the USB 3 storage drivers working when you boot from the USB Flash to install ArcaOS?
I had tested it again on a mainboard that only have USB 3 ports, UEFI in compatibility mode I still have the this message that the CD media can not be found.

I had tested the USB flash drive to update from ArcaOS 5.0.2 to 5.0.5 on a different machine. So, I'm guessing that my USB flash is fine. The only thing that I can think about is that I have not updated the USB flash since 5.0.1, just the ISO image. Should I recreate the USB flash drive?

Regards

UPDATE does NOT install USB 3 drivers, and will fail, as you describe, if you try to use a USB 3 controller to do the UPDATE. The ArcaOS installer does have USB 3 drivers, but they do NOT get transferred to the drive during an UPDATE. At the moment, you either need to figure out how to transfer the USBXHCD.SYS file to the installed system and add the CONFIG.SYS entry(s), at the end of phase 1, or you need to do a new install. If you can't figure that out, you are probably not ready to try USB 3.

You don't need to create the volume on the stick, but you MUST use the current ArcaOS installer to update the stick (which does recreate the installer), or it will refuse to start the installer. You cannot just copy the new ISO file to an old stick, and expect it to work. The DFS (DFSEE) thing will create the proper stuff on the stick. The main difference is that the DFS things should run under most current operating systems. They will wipe the whole stick, and make it new, while the AOSBOOT thing must run under OS/2, and simply formats the first partition on the stick, copies the new installer, including the ISO file, then makes the stick bootable.

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Please read section 7.7, and 7.7.1, in README.TXT. It doesn't get installed by an update, because it is still experimental software, and update does not add features (with very few exceptions). It does get installed with a new install. I really don't know why they did it that way.

I expect that  USB 3 will be formally released via the subscription channel, when it is actually completed. At the moment, it is included as a convenience for those who don't have any choice but to use USB 3 for install. It may not work, depending on what adapter you actually have, I have a Fresco Logic adapter, that will work, if the conditions are perfect. The main problem with it is that there is no additional power available, and many devices draw too much power, causing it to turn off. Even plugging in my powered hub can cause it to power off. There just isn't enough power from a PCI-e connector. This is not unique to OS/2, it also happens in windows. If I leave the powered hub connected, and powered, while I boot, it will work (when the connector makes proper contact. The connector doesn't work well).

I will mention that USB, in general (not just USB 3, and not just OS/2), is a terrible technology. Nobody seems to follow the rules, and the connectors (especially A type connectors) are really flaky. If there is anything, at all, wrong with them, they are going to cause problems. USB 3 is more likely to have problems, because there are more contacts that have to connect properly, or various inconsistencies will happen. The usual ones are:

The USB 3 device will connect at USB 2 speeds, and not at USB 3 speeds. Many causes.

The device will connect okay, then some time later it will disconnect itself, for no apparent reason (usually somebody stood up, or moved a chair, which jiggled the connector enough to break the connection). Heavy devices, or cables, may drag the contacts apart, causing disconnection.

USB extension cables usually have worse connection problems than plugging a device directly into a fixed connector on the machine (two connectors to fail, plus they may move, which can break the connection).

USB HUBS can also have the connection problems. Since USB 3 HUBS actually have two devices (one for USB 3, and one for USB2), they may work with one, or the other, but not both. To work with both (they should), both sets of contacts need to be perfect.

The physical connectors on computer, cables, and device, need to be near perfect. Unfortunately, there is no easy way way to actually tell if a USB 3 device connects at USB 2 speed, and/or USB 3 speed. Speed depends on many things, and most of my USB 3 devices are not noticeably faster while connected to USB 3. If you pay for premium devices, they should perform better, as long as the contacts work. If you pay for cheap USB 3 devices, they may work better when attached to a USB 2 controller. On the other hand, some USB 2 devices will actually perform better, when attached to a USB 3 controller (actually two controllers, one for USB 3, and one for USB 2). You may need to try different combinations.

Have fun...

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If you follow the Wiki instructions at https://www.arcanoae.com/wiki/, you can probably get it to work. There is a specific section for VirtualBox, which steps you through the setup, with a bit of explanation. If your old setup is not as shown there, I would suggest following the directions, and attach your old virtual drive before you try to update. Get it working first). You may need to change some entries in CONFIG.SYS, to match a new configuration. You are effectively moving the old disk to a new machine.

It would probably be easier to make a new install, following those instructions, then move your data.

The old VirtualBox setup was very poor, and designed to be something similar to a 486 processor (the Vintage hardware option in the ArcaOS installer). It works, but it is definitely not optimal. The Wiki instructions explain how to set up a modern machine, then you use the Modern hardware option to do the install. I am not too sure how well that would update. There will probably be missing parts, because updating does not add new things.

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Applications / Re: PmMail 3.24 bug
« on: June 05, 2020, 03:37:33 am »
Just set the inactive accounts so they are not included in Fetch All. Account-> Account settings-> Preferences-> turn off 'Include this account in Fetch All'.

In fact, dead accounts should not prevent live accounts from fetching, but over the years, a lot of duplicate operations were turned off, to prevent problems. Now that we have a programmer who is interested, some of that can probably be reversed, but it will take time to do it, and make sure that it doesn't cause problems.

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I have had that problem, for years. As Rich says, it is caused by using the Reduce Desktop workarea setting (which I prefer to use, for various reasons). There is a script in: https://hobbes.nmsu.edu/download/pub/os2/util/wps/movingdesktopobjects100.zip, that can be run at shutdown. That will PREVENT (not fix) the problem, about 98% of the time. Of course, if the script doesn't run at shutdown (hard crash, reset, forced power off), you may still see the problem (but not always). There is a short description of the problem in the docs too. All it really does, is remove the information for the desktop, so the desktop always comes up in the default position, not where it happened to be the last time it got saved.

It would be nice, if IFX would do that, so the desktop information is removed, just before the desktop starts up. If it did that, the problem would be prevented 100% of the time. I have never seen any down side to removing the desktop stuff (ONLY the desktop information, NOT all of the desktop sub folder information).

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Applications / Re: WarpIN: Exception on Main thread
« on: May 18, 2020, 04:51:05 am »
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My problem is not HT ON. The proof is that I have turned it OFF,

So, why is the CPU command showing 8 processors?

Turn off Hyperthreading.

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Applications / Re: WarpIn 1.0.23 - Where is it?
« on: May 17, 2020, 10:38:19 pm »
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ArcaOS 5.0.2 does not has it, but ArcaOS 5.0.4 has it, so it was released to the public.

No, it wasn't. WarpIn 1.0.22 is the newest that was released to the public: https://hobbes.nmsu.edu/download/pub/os2/util/archiver/warpin-1-0-22.zip. WarpIn 1.0.23 is a special build, used only to support updating WarpIn packages when using the update feature of the ArcaOS installer. It has not, yet, been released to the general public. There is nothing new in it for the general user anyway (which is why it hasn't been released), and most of the new stuff is undocumented.


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Applications / Re: PmMail 3.24 bug
« on: May 17, 2020, 09:50:20 pm »
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have encountered a bug which I cannot report to OS2 Voice.

There is an unresolved user sign up problem. An old sign on should still work. I will report your problem to the Mantis owner. You should hear something within a couple of days.

You should join the PMMail user mail list. Go to: http://www.os2voice.org/mailinglists.html and subscribe. The mail list is not the place to report problems with PMMail, it is a discussion group (where you can discuss problems, but don't expect them to be resolved, unless you report them to the Mantis bug tracker), but you can report sign up problems.

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The bug is:  The setting "Channel Encryption is Optional" does not retain its setting for two of my channels when PmMail is closed.  That setting is on the Global Settings notebook, on the Secure Transfer tab, select a Channel Definition and click the modify button. The Channel Encryption is Optional checkbox is on the dialog box that pops up.   If that check box is not checked PmMail will not connect to my Comcast email server.  The setting reverts to unchecked for two of my channels when PmMail is closed.

This sounds like it is related to a couple of other, unresolved, problems, that seem to be caused by the new build system. Please be sure to report it, as soon as you get a usable logon (should be within a couple of days).

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Hardware / Re: USB 3
« on: May 07, 2020, 11:55:33 pm »
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Does the USB 3 driver work at boot time?

The USB drivers (all of them) don't work, until near the end of boot.

However, if the USB (any type) controller is operated by the BIOS (or whatever), they will work until the USB drivers are loaded, then, they won't work until USB has finished initializing (near the end of boot). There is nothing new about that, it is the way it has always been in OS/2.

Mouse, and keyboard work with the USB 3 drivers (even USB 1.0 devices work), after they finish initializing. There is a problem (with all OS/2 USB drivers), where you cannot respond to a "press enter" (or the like), before USB drivers finish initializing. Again, this is as it has always been. Whether that can be fixed, or not, remains to be seen. The answer is to use a PS/2 connected keyboard, but many new (and some not so new) machines seem to have forgotten to include a PS/2 connector (a PS/2 to USB adapter doesn't count, that is still USB). Something else for somebody to figure out.

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General Discussion / Re: Strange hobbes.nmsu.edu behavior.
« on: May 05, 2020, 06:55:50 pm »
JFTP works, for me. https://www.jmethods.com/mvn-repo/com/myjavaworld/jftp/5.0.1/jftp-5.0.1-bin.zip

It is a JAVA program, with all of the problems that go along with that, but it does work. Start with:
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java -Xmx512m -Xms32m -jar jftp-5.0.1.jar

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Storage / Re: WinOS2 hangs on File Manager and a FAT32 drive
« on: May 02, 2020, 04:59:56 pm »
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thank you, I read it should be used replacing se setup.exe file in the installation directory containing all necessary files, but I could not use it with a standalone installation package with all files in it, unless in such situation I use an "unpacker" which deploy all files contained in it.

That sounds about right.

ODIN is not really used any more, other than as DLL support for ported programs. What, exactly, are you trying to install? Somebody may have tried it, or suggestions about alternate programs can be made.

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