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Storage / Re: Low level format error with JFS
« on: February 03, 2018, 11:43:03 pm »
Does anyone else low level format spinning hard drives anymore?

format x: /FS:JFS /L is not a low level format. It is a LONG (VERY, very, LONG, depending on the volume size) file system format. I doubt if disks will actually do a low level format any more. If you try using /L on a 1 TB drive, you might as well start it, then come back sometime next week, and it might be finished. With JFS, I have never used /L, it seems to be totally unnecessary, and won't do anything useful anyway.

Dave is probably right, that you need to fix the geometry. Use DFSEE to wipe the front end of the disk, then use LVM (Logical Volume Manager) to create the volumes. Then, format them, without /L.

Article Discussions / Re: AN changing USB driver stack to 32-bit
« on: February 02, 2018, 08:23:59 pm »
I don't read that you may not distribute it, that you may not modify it or that you may not copy it. This one comes from OS/2 Developer Connection Device Driver Kit, Version 4 Edition (June 1996).

The problem is not with distributing the final result. The problem is, that you cannot buy, rent, or sell, the license to use the DDK without IBM being involved. IBM no longer sells it, so your only option is to buy the license from somebody who already has it. Then,the seller needs to go through some legal procedure to convince IBM that they have destroyed all copies that they have, and get the new licensee registered as being licensed. Since IBM has no way to do that (and they can veto the new license anyway), you can't do it. Without the DDK, you cannot build the driver(s), so only those who have a license can build drivers that use the DDK.

Whether IBM would care, is another matter, but that is something that Arca Noae cannot take a chance on. If IBM goes after them, for some reason, they are out of business, and OS/2 will likely come to an end.

Article Discussions / Re: AN changing USB driver stack to 32-bit
« on: January 30, 2018, 06:39:02 am »
Do you have hope that AN release the USB 3.0 source code to the USB Netlabs repository eventually.

I can't speak for AN, but as long as it can be done without breaking copyright laws, or licensing agreements, i expect that it will be released, when they are ready to do so, and that will likely be AFTER they finish the USB 3 support. I do know that everyone involved with AN are working long hours getting ArcaOS 5.0.2 ready to go. I doubt if USB 3 will be ready to go for that release, but it is a big step in the right direction, to get the drivers converted to 32 bit.

Article Discussions / Re: AN changing USB driver stack to 32-bit
« on: January 30, 2018, 01:05:07 am »
Did you test the new 32-bit driver with USBECD.SYS? Maybe it still works?

I use USBECD.SYS with the mAPCUPS package. It never occurred to me that it might not work. It does work. Why would anyone think otherwise?

On the past the IBM DDK license has been use as an excuse to do not share any kind of driver development or documentation on this platform.
I just want to kill the excuse

This is silly. The DDK is required to use what AN developed, whether the driver is 32 bit, or not. AN cannot include the DDK in the code that they release to the public, but I expect the rest of it to be released, WHEN THE DRIVER IS FINISHED, and not before. Currently, the driver is under development, and testing. It is NOT available to the general population, yet. AN will also release their binary driver, using the official channels (Subscription, or ArcaOS license). Anybody else who wants it are on their own. If they have the DDK, and understand how to build the package, it should be possible, after AN finds the time to update the public repositories, and that may take a while, because those guys are busting their butts to get ArcaOS 5.0.2 ready for their users. It also makes sense to delay releasing the code, to make it more desirable to have a subscription, or buy ArcaOS (did I say that?).

Am I missing something? What does a DDK license have to do with a new interface designed by AN.

It is NOT a NEW interface. As I understand it, all that was done, was to replace all 16 bit code with 32 bit code. Previously, the (available) DRV32 package was incorporated to make it easier to use the DDK. The DDK is still copyright, and requires a license to use it. The results can be freely distributed, as the owner sees fit. AN sells support, and the service to build the binary, for those who buy a subscription.

In developing usb3 drivers are they going to include something to enable use of the ASMedia usb3/sata chips or is that impossible because non of the testers have systems using those chips?

In fact, I suspect (unfounded speculation, because I don't know), that the USB 3 part of the driver will be lifted from Linux, or BSD, so if Linux supports your chip, so will ArcaOS. FWIW, I have three different USB 3 adapters to test with, when the time comes. If you post the PCI output, that describes the parts, somebody may be able to say that they do have one that is similar (or not, as they choose).

Article Discussions / Re: AN changing USB driver stack to 32-bit
« on: January 28, 2018, 07:27:41 pm »
Are there any testers testing on AMD


I very much doubt it which is a great cause for concern

Do not be concerned.

At the moment, the 32 bit USB drivers are being TESTED, to be sure that the concept works. It does. When the drivers are actually RELEASED, then it becomes your concern to test them, to be sure that they work for you (if they don't, you can report the problem, and AN will try to fix it). At that time, it is also up to Arca Noae to release the source (or not), which will NOT include the DDK, You will still need the DDK to be able to use the source. Since that has always been the case, there should be no concern (the concern would be that somebody illegally releases the DDK, and gets the whole project into trouble with IBM and the law). If someone cares to recreate the DDK, LEGALLY, I am sure that very few people would be able to make use of it anyway.

I will admit that I have an interest because I will not have an Intel processor in any of my equipment even notebooks and the lack of testing does show up.

What do you mean by that statement? I have preferred AMD, for many years now, and haven't seen any problems because of it. I do have machines that are Intel (donated to me by windows users who felt compelled to buy a new machine), but they certainly don't work any better, or worse, than AMD. You MAY run into troubles if the machine is UEFI without a functional Compatibility Support Module (CSM), or if they don't have a DVD drive, or USB 2.x capability (USB 3.x support is getting closer, and part of that was to convert the drivers to 32 bit).

For your information, I am TESTING with:
Asus A88XM-A motherboard (AMD, A6, UEFI), with 8 GB memory.
Asus M3A78-EM motherboard (AMD), with 5 GB memory.
Lenovo ThinkPad T510 (Intel), with 8 GB memory.
Lenovo ThinkPad L530 (Intel UEFI), with 8 GB memory.
IBM ThinkPad T43 (Intel), with 1.5 GB memory.
IBM ThinkPad A22e (Intel), with 256 MB memory.
DELL Dimension 4300 (Intel), with 1 GB memory.
DELL Optiplex GX-270 (Intel), with 3 GB memory.
Asus P4VP-MX motherboard (Intel), with 1 GB memory.
HP p6242f (Intel) with 8 GB memory, and a NVIDIA video adapter (NOT recommended).

Overall, the DELL and HP,  machines have problems with video, when I try to use a wide screen. The IBM ThinkPad A22e is, of course, almost useless because the memory is maxed out at 256 MB, but it does work well, as long as I stay with programs that will run without having to page. The DELL 4300 has a problem with Air Boot, so I need to use Boot Manager with it (it is NOT an Air Boot problem).

FTR: The P4VP-MX has a PCI SATA adapter, with a 2 TB SATA drive attached and a 1 Gbit NIC. I use it as an OS/2 (ArcaOS) based NAS box.

Applications / Re: Lotus WordPro for OS/2 under ArcaOS
« on: January 19, 2018, 06:24:21 am »
I think that Lotus WordPro can do this, but I'm nervous about installing it under ArcaOS. As I recall Lotus did a lot of editing of config.sys in order to run.

It does add a few things to CONFIG.SYS, but the only bad things are additional lines for TEMP and TMP (the Lotus versions should be removed, immediately after installing).

If you use LCSS (Logical Config.Sys Sort) it will become immediately obvious what was added (except for TEMP and TMP).

The only other problem, that I have seen, is that the available disk space calculation may determine that you run out of space on the install drive. That has something to do with using counters that wrap at 64 GB (I think). If you have 64 GB, or less, free space, there should be no problem. If you have more, fill it up with something, and remove it again after the install.

Applications / Re: Samba and ArcaOS?
« on: January 19, 2018, 06:11:52 am »
SAMBA consists of two parts. The client (called ArcaMapper) and the server. Which part are you talking about?

There are a couple of sections in the README.TXT, in the root of the install DVD that may address your problem. One of them talks about updated security, that may need to be disabled to use older servers.

Mail-News / Re: Is PMMail still being maintained?
« on: January 13, 2018, 07:58:20 pm »
I will comment that the Migration tool is poorly named. It started as a tool to migrate from older versions of PMMail, but has turned into more of a maintenance tool, with one of the functions being to migrate from older versions of PMMail. Personally, I like the original icon, (it seems to be more appropriate to the actual function) but others may use what they like.

Applications / Re: Mouse Pointers
« on: January 11, 2018, 06:56:23 pm »
The ArcaOS group may want to consider giving ArcaOS the ability to use both 32x32 and 40x40 ptrs.

The group has more important things to worry about, but they may appreciate it if somebody can make it work, and contribute it to the project. Perhaps, open an incident in the bug tracker, so they know what you are working on, but start with the pointers, as available in System Setup-> Mouse. There are already larger pointers available, as well as different colors.

Mail-News / Re: Is PMMail still being maintained?
« on: January 11, 2018, 06:43:56 pm »
Is PMMail still be developed?

The answer is yes, and no. Currently, there is no developer working on it. I, and a few others, tweak it sometimes, when we can, but I am not a programmer, so I can't do much with it.

No promises, but if it is still being maintained, it would be worth while to try to update the graphics.

The icons were tweaked years ago, and that turned into a bit of a marathon, to try to get them to actually work properly. The original icons, in PMMail before 3.x, were not standard OS/2 icons, and a lot of the code needed to be updated to handle normal icons. Most icons were created from the non standard ones, so they didn't change much. At least they are now proper OS/2 icons.

There is a section in the help, about customizing icons. I suggest that you start there. If you have some success, open an incident in the bug tracker, and I will see if I can get it done. The icons seem to be something that I should be able to work with.

Applications / Re: SDL on the Netlabs RPM Repository
« on: January 11, 2018, 06:23:45 pm »
It should be removed, right?

Apparently not, since it hasn't been resolved. The problem has existed for a few years now. The logic behind it escapes me.  :(

Applications / Re: SDL on the Netlabs RPM Repository
« on: January 11, 2018, 03:55:05 am »
Didn't the sdl package get replaced by the SDL package?

Somebody left 'sdl' (lower case), in the RPM repository (that happened before Arca Noae was more than just a dream). It appears to be an older version, that SHOULD be replaced by 'SDL' (upper case), but the names are case sensitive, so 'SDL' does not replace 'sdl'. To fix the problem, uninstall 'sdl' and then install 'SDL'. It may uninstall other things, so watch what gets uniunstalled, and install all of them, except 'sdl'.

Storage / Re: Extended Attributes - OS/2 only thing?
« on: January 07, 2018, 08:14:25 pm »
I don't know about your specific NAS box, but a few years ago, when i was researching this, I found out that most (if not all) NAS boxes run some form of Linux internally. EA support depends on exactly how the Linux has been set up, but most (if not all) only support 4K of EA data, while OS/2 supports 64K of EA data. As you can probably imagine, that can be a bit of a problem, sometimes.

My final solution was to use an old computer (P4 with 1 GB of memory), add a SATA controller, a 2 TB drive, and a gigabit network adapter. Then install eCS (now ArcaOS), and configure the services that I needed, which include PMVNC server (for remote control), Peter Moylan's weasel mail server (including IMAP), Peter Moylan's FTP server, Peter Moylan's Major Major. Web/2, SAMBA server, RSync (server mode), and a few other things. Of course, it supports 64K EAs, and it works with OS/2, windows, and Linux (specifically Mint). It just sits under the stairs, and does it's job. I usually update it about once per month, so I don't really know how long it would run, if I let it.

FWIW, windows 7, and up, seems to support EAs, but I am not sure how big they can be. I am pretty sure that they are less than 64K, and, AFAICT windows never uses EAs. I also don't know much about NETDRIVE. That always seemed to be an unnecessary option. Since the 2 TB disk contains my most recent backups, I could also use the OS/2 based NAS box as my main computer, with minor tweaking, if I ever lost my main computer, for some reason.

The 2 TB drive was the most expensive part of the whole thing (other than ArcaOS), and it has worked better than I had hoped. You do want to make sure that you have a good machine (no bulging capacitors), for reliability. Another advantage is that you have full control over what it runs internally.

Article Discussions / Re: ArcaOS Wishlist - 6 months !!
« on: December 30, 2017, 05:43:01 am »
Yes, USB is necessary since most usb devices are now 3.0.

No, USB  3 is not necessary. USB 3 devices will work with USB 2 cables, hubs, and controllers, at USB 2 speeds. However, a USB 3 driver is becoming much more important now that many new computers don't have USB 2 controllers. This is likely more important than WiFi.

I am wondering about the encryption that these devices demand that you do.  Don't do the encryption and the drive is useless.

The only device that I have seen with "so called" built in encryption was easily fixed. First, you probably want to use DFSEE to image the drive, so you can put it back to the way that you got it. Then, use DFSEE to wipe the front end of the disk. Now, it is just an empty USB device,waiting for you to put proper partitions on it, and format it. There may be something new, that I don't know about.

I was also wondering about WIFI.  This is something I have been waiting for a long time.

Yeah, WiFi is about 10 years over due. I do know that most of the project has been done, but other things are taking the developers time.

Article Discussions / Re: ArcaOS Wishlist - 6 months !!
« on: December 29, 2017, 07:11:09 am »
They may have their reasons that with David's Drv32 they can do interesting things (but I haven't noticed that on OS2AHCI), but it is step back in a driver that used to be 100% open source software.

David's DRV32 is available, if you look for it. The IBM DDK is not available AFAIK, and anybody who has it is bound by the IBM license.

I'm guessing that Arca Noae and the user community are mature enough to get constructive criticism and fell free to express their point of view.

I don't speak for Arca Noae, but it is my view that they have started a project to continue OS/2 into the future. They cannot do that without financial support, and they do a LOT of work to make it happen. There is nothing wrong with charging to build drivers, etc., and that is exactly what they are doing. Plus, they support their work to the best of their abilities (and their abilities are incredible). If you wish to do that for free, by all means do so. You might find that it isn't as easy as you might think. AFAIK, the source is being made available for all open source software. Whether you can build the drivers yourself may depend on a lot of things.

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