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Messages - Martin Iturbide

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Even that the desirable and long term goal will be to have all three components, WPS, SOM, PM, cloned. I think that there should be focus on only one thing. That's why the idea is to start on WPS over IBM's SOM and PM.

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Thanks for replying.

Hi Andi B.

Sure, the idea is not new, it is very inspired in Voyager [1]. I remember seeing the presentations long time ago. But trying to focus on the three components (WPS, SOM and PM) at the same time was too complicated. That's why the idea is just to focus on WPS as a start and try to complete at lease one of the three things.

Some time ago I talked to Chris about it. He told me that he prefers to work on SOM first and later in WPS, since SOM has some "twearks" (strange behaviors) that will force you code WPS in one specific way, and later if you work on a SOM clone, you will have to rework WPS. Other thing that was also an issue when cloning SOM was that the temptation to fix what it (IBM Version) has broken was too high, and fixing it may result on an incompatible SOM version. (Note: This is how I understood it) But Chris is no longer active in SOM development.

I will talk to Adrian about it on Netlabs IRC and see his point of view.

Hi Jan-Erik Lärka

I don't know about SOM 3. The only efforts I have seen with an open source SOM was somFree (http://sourceforge.net/p/somfree/) But it was not OS/2 focused, but I think that some stuff can came from it at its time.

NOM, which was netlab's SOM, I don't know it current status.  I can see the source code on the SVN - http://svn.netlabs.org/repos/voyager/nom/

Please do not take my word as final statements, like I told you before I'm not a expert on this subject, so I'm open to any suggestion or constructive criticism.


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You all know that my final dream will be to have a formal open source OS/2 clone. I also guess that the majority of the OS/2-eCS community share the same dream, even that can only be called a dream.  But when I see projects like Haiku OS and ReactOS I see also that it is not impossible.

Since I want to move a little step closer to that dream I started a blog to share some ideas about it. And my first steps was trying to document at a high level the OS/2 architecture and try to find some points of where should we start.
http://openwarp.blogspot.com/

I proposed that it will be interesting to start an OS/2 clone from "Top to down" which means cloning WPS, SOM and PM. And after analyzing this three components I also proposed that will be interesting to start cloning WPS classes on top of IBM's SOM and IBM's PM. why?
  • WPS classes can be called as the core of WPS
  • WPS classes are an important way on how we interact with OS/2-eCS
  • eComStation can benefit from this project and improve it functionality, while also contributing to the open source project
  • Cloning WPS will be a strong political statement outside the OS/2 community that we are moving forward on an OS/2 open source clone.
  • We will move one step forward on having a long term strategy for the Operating System.

I also wrote some pitfalls on the blog about starting with a WPS Clone:
  • Developers... I don't have (yet) no one interested on the project. It is also hard to find developers with WPS and SOM skills.
  • Money. It will be very hard to find someone for free.
  • Any strange behavior (quirks) on IBM SOM will need to be supported until IBM's SOM can be cloned.
  • After a working clone of  WorkplaceShell is created, it will require future re-works/tweaking when the SOM and PM clones gets created.


Summary.
I want to see the possibility start a project to create an open source WPS classes full clone. I don't have development skills, I can't do it alone and I need developers, suggestions, funding and moral support :)

But I think that first I need to contact some developers with WPS/SOM skills to try to define a plan, costs, time frames and also evaluate the open source software that we currently have that can be re-used.

I'm open for suggestions.

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Excellent initiative Sigurd.

I won't be there, it is too far away, but please take pictures, record videos, write about it, let us know everything !!!

Regards

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General Discussion / Re: Hobbes directory structure re-organization
« on: June 16, 2013, 12:20:26 am »
I just remember that there are some EXE that I don't consider acceptable anymore. There used to be some IBM's EXEs that unpacked the files into a diskette drive, on these days where we don't longer have diskette drives and those EXE are unpractical. I remember that I found some sound drivers with that EXE installer and I re-pack them as .zip and upload them to hobbes.

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General Discussion / Re: Hobbes directory structure re-organization
« on: June 15, 2013, 05:25:04 pm »
I was wondering, can we dare to write a "Hobbes File Naming Suggestion" document?

For example:

You can name the file after your product and indicate the version of it:

Ex: For an application named "Warpinator" release 1.5 you can name the file "Warpinator_1-5.zip"

Ex: What not to do. Do not refer your file as "latest" like "Warpinator_latest.zip"

It is a suggestion, it will not be written on stone of course.

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Programming / Re: WPS Classes - UML Design
« on: June 12, 2013, 03:11:36 pm »
Here goes an update

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General Discussion / Re: OS/2 Hardware Compatibility List.
« on: June 10, 2013, 01:51:49 am »
Thanks the the reply Pete. I was looking to see if was a newer one from IBM, I know both sites you listed.

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General Discussion / OS/2 Hardware Compatibility List.
« on: June 09, 2013, 07:28:20 pm »
Does anybody remembers if there was a newer list? I got this one from July 1995.  Was it ever a digital copy of it?


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General Discussion / OS2World Bounty System Clean-up
« on: June 08, 2013, 06:09:38 pm »
Hi.

I started at the beginning of may the Bounty System yearly clean up.

At OS2World.com we are planning to consolidate all the bounties money in the "OS2World Common Fund".  You all can check the rules of that funding and contribute to it via paypal.

Regards

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Setup & Installation / Re: "Remote Desktop"
« on: June 06, 2013, 04:02:36 pm »
Hi jerome.

If you want remote control of the eCS desktop, like melf said we have PMVNC.

But if you want to have multiple eCS desktops according to the user that is login in, like having two users connected at the same time and seeing a different desktop. I don't know how to do that.  OS/2 is not a multi-user OS like ivan said.  Any comment is welcome.

It makes me think  that it would be nice to see some Workspace on Demand digital archeology article remembering it. I remember I tried it ounce but it was so hard. Maybe now running on VMs can be more easy to set up a prototype.

Regards

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General Discussion / Re: Hobbes directory structure re-organization
« on: June 03, 2013, 10:31:44 pm »
Hi Ian

I updated the proposed structure based on something I was able to see on OS2Site.com/sw.

Let's keep discussing it.


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Programming / Re: What about the EDM/2 Wiki? - Help !!
« on: June 03, 2013, 05:29:52 am »
I'm also trying to find a backup of the OS/2 compuserve forums:

http://deaney.com/hugos2ci.htm#index


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General Discussion / Re: Hobbes directory structure re-organization
« on: May 31, 2013, 03:18:24 pm »
Hi

I understand your points, but I was offered an opportunity to improve hobbes and I think I must try at least to take the opportunity.
 
I take notice of the points:

1) What about the sites linking hobbes files?
2) We must encourage the file contributors to upload the files in the right places.
3) We need more active administration/moderation of the site. (to organize files)
4) Search is a very important service of the site.
5) If a migration/update happens, don't lost any files.

Doug, do you know the skills of the people involved at hobbes today? or you are just telling about your experience some time ago. I don't think we must disqualify nobody, specially when it is a community effort and nobody is paying hobbes to be online. 

My general question remains open for everyone. Do you want to help (or at least try) to reorganize hobbes directory structure to have a more modern site? Please check the structure I created and give me feedback about the structure.

Regards


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General Discussion / Hobbes directory structure re-organization
« on: May 30, 2013, 11:22:11 pm »
Hi.

I'm proposing a file structure reorganization at hobbes. I will like to have some discussion on the forum of what can be improved on the hobbes directory structure to store files.

I currently made a draft on Freemind about the structure based on the current one that hobbes use. I'm sharing this files for you to comment.  Fell free to modify it and present any option, or give any comments.

Regards
Martín

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