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Hardware / Re: ArcaOS Hardware Support Discussion
« on: August 02, 2019, 09:13:53 pm »
The Via USB 1.1 and 2 drivers work when you can get therm initialised.

I think the main problem is how USB support is arranged in the AMD Ryzen processor and the AMD northbridge chipsets.  Some of the USB 2 ports are enabled using a USB 3 passthrough.  Other problems could be because of the way they announce themselves (see Lars comment #17 on the USBDRV 10.225 thread. 

If they don't get initialised they will not work as I have seen a few weeks ago when I had a hard reset on my main machine and it required me to 'press enter to continue' because a driver wouldn't load - I had to borrow a keyboard with a PS/2 plug to get everything up and working again (a bit of a panic at the time because even my trusty PS/2 to USB adapters didn't work).

I will say again that ArcsOS does work, less USB 3, on a Ryzen machine if you use a working image from another AMD based machine (may need a 7th gen A series processor). So far I have been unable ti actually install from DVD or USB.

Hardware / Re: ArcaOS Hardware Support Discussion
« on: August 02, 2019, 06:29:29 pm »
Hi Martin,

A bit more information.


MSI A320M Pro-VD Plus motherboard.

AMD Ryzen 5 first gen Processor

Saphire AMD Radeon Video card

2 x 4GB DDR4 memory sticks

1 x 1TB Seagate FireCuda  SATA v3

Samsung S24E650 Monitor

Kensington Prp Fit MultiMedia USB Keyboard

Kensington Orbit Optical Trackball.

For those not familiar with the motherboard I have included the rear panel layout - note the dual PS/2 keyboard/mouse socket with two USB 2 sockets under.  The two USB 2 sockets are driven from the A320M northbridge and have the keyboard and trackball plugged into them.

This computer was originally built for a friend who was killed in an accident so I ended up with it as my Linux (Zorin) computer and test bed.

On bootup I had to enter the bios and set the DVD and Hard disk to non UEFI - no problem with kb or trackball.  From here follow the original post.
Adding the USB 2 card did nothing to help even though it was recognised in the bios.

The USB2 card is back in my main computer Ryzen 3 2200G second gen processor (MSI B350M motherboard) and is working with both keyboard and trackball.

One other thing, I can get the test machine to run if I use a hard disk with a working ArcaOS install on it but it does need the Via USB 2 Card for KB and trackball to work.  It appears that I will be using disk images to get working ArcaOS systems for some time yet.

Hardware / Re: ArcaOS Hardware Support Discussion
« on: August 01, 2019, 10:05:02 pm »
OK, back to the drawing board.

I have just spent three hours trying to do a new install on a first gen Ryzen 5 box (MSI A320M Pro-VD Plus motherboard).  While it no longer baulks at start up I can't get past the first selection screen (the one to select keyboard and mouse handedness), first it spreads beyond the screen borders and this is a 1290 x 1200 Samsung S24E650 monitor (is it expecting a 4K monitor?) but the real killer is the fact there is no mouse pointer and the keyboard doesn't work (these are both USB devices).  Part of the time was taken up removing a USB 2 card from one of my other computers and transferring it to the test machine but that didn't work, neither did the PS/2 dual socket to 2 USB sockets Y cable and since I no longer have trackballs or keyboards with PS/2 plugs so that ended that.

I suppose I will have to setup an second gen AMD A10-9700 APU on one of my Ryzen boxes and give it another try and see if the USB problem is still there.

Hardware / Re: ArcaOS Hardware Support Discussion
« on: August 01, 2019, 01:14:32 pm »
Hi Martin,

I agree that the latest AMD processors need to be discussed in detail (one of the national suppliers that was a staunch Intel shop is now sending out Ryzen information and even have a reasonable supply in their local shop).

Sorry, we were never software resellers although we did give help and advice where necessary.  I retired 5 years ago, being 75 years old I thought it was time to call it a day.  Our main business was, and still is, about hardware interfaces between control computers and industrial machine tools many of which started life with OS/2 v2 as single units.  Over the years we helped them upgrade to Warp 4 and integrate logging into the office as well as doing a few other things to keep them up to date.

I have 5 Ryzen based machines using Asus, MSI and Gigabyte motherboards working using various PS/2 to USB adapters to allow the use of USB keyboards and trackballs which is fine when all is well but a real PITA when something forces a hard reset.  Regarding the use of a USB 2 addin card, the only ones I have found that work are those based on the Via chipset and they now cost the earth if you can find them.  Most addin cards that say they are USB 2 are really USB 3 chipsets relying on the fall-back to USB 2 and so are useless at the present time.

My comment regarding the US obsession with IP is based on my talking with other engineers on various hardware fora and message boards.  The US is not exclusive with that bur the rot seems to have started out there and is spreading to other countries now.

Hardware / Re: ArcaOS Hardware Support Discussion
« on: August 01, 2019, 12:38:47 am »
My criticism remains the same: If running on modern hardware is the priority, then drivers are required, and it seems they have a shortage of people that can provide OS/2 drivers in timely a way.

On the other hand, we don't need Arca Noae to do our own hardware tests. Just like we have been doing it, let's keep testing hardware and post our findings on the forums, we discuss it with different people to find options, and after a while if no solution is found the person with the hardware issue opens a ticket to Arca Noae.

Martin, while I mostly agree with you there are many of us that have the equipment to do the testing but can't do so because there is nothing to test.

When I ran a business we did initial testing in house and as soon as we had it working reasonably well we sent it out to those that could test it on actual working equipment which meant all of our clients.  The feedback we got was then applied to the next version and again was sent out.  Eventually we ended up with a product that our sales people could take and sell to new clients.

From what I have seen that is not the way products are developed in the US where they seem to be obsessed with IP and 'you must not let other know what you are doing'.

That being said, I suspect if a poll was taken of the equipment used by the people on this site there would be a very broad range of different equipment  that would go a long way to making a useful beta test group.  Yes it would require a little organisation by the principles to enable them to make use of the results, and yes a result of 'it doesn't work on xyz' is a useful result when it makes the developer look at the difference between xyz and what does work, we learned a lot from such results.

Hardware / Re: ArcaOS Hardware Support Discussion
« on: July 31, 2019, 01:24:40 am »
All good points Martin but my main frustration is the total lack of communication about what is going on.  It is only now that we learn that Arca Noae actually has an AMD Ryzen AM4 based test unit but the question remains is that a first or second generation Ryzen and does it have an integrated graphics processor.

Over here we have a couple of national suppliers doing discounts on Ryzen based machines and I have a lot of my old clients asking if it is safe to update to them.  I have to tell them No at the moment because of lack of information about USB 3 drivers - extremely frustrating.

Another thing I would like to offer some of my time and equipment for testing but there is no information on how to do that - it is almost as if Arca Noae does not want anyone outside the inner circle to know what is going on or even help.  Maybe that is the way they do things in the US but it does not make much sense to those of us outside the US.

Hardware / Re: ArcaOS Hardware Support Discussion
« on: July 30, 2019, 11:27:32 pm »
Pci information as requested.  The pci-ryzen-aos.txt is from using the ArcaOS 5.0.4 DVD and the pci-ryzen.txt is from using pci.exe in my tools directory with a fairly new  pcidevs.txt

Hardware / ArcaOS Hardware Support Discussion
« on: July 30, 2019, 10:49:55 am »
Hi Doug,

The AMD Ryzen processors have a USB 3 built in then there is the northbridge that has USB 2 and USB 3 and USB 3.1, numbers depending on the northbridge version.  The AM4 motherboards may also have an ASMedia USB 3 and USB 3.1 as well.  There are a couple oother chip manufacturers that supply USB 3 chipsets for add in cards eg. Renesas - I have the source code for their Linux drivers.

If you would like me to test the USB 3 driver just e-mail it and I can easily try it on 5 different AM4 motherboards.

Events / Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
« on: July 29, 2019, 10:27:23 pm »
Thanks Doug,

I didn't have the -Xms32m in the 'parameters' of the program object, adding that appears to have fixed the problem.  Now transferring a little under 2GB to my Linux machine - going well past the point it crashed before.

Hardware / Re: USBDRV 10.225 - full support for USB audio
« on: July 29, 2019, 09:57:04 pm »
However on *some* Intel chipsets the USBX.SYS host controller driver does not work yet

The big question is, does that mean it works on all AMD chipsets or have they been forgotten? - enquiring minds would like to know the answer to that question.

Events / Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
« on: July 29, 2019, 11:46:44 am »
Hi Doug,

I'm using jFTP v5 and there is nothing in POPUPLOG.OS2 - it worked without problems before the update.  Since you mention security updates for Samba I assume they carry over to other network programs than can use them so I will start looking there. 

Is there a list of these security updates anywhere and what one has to do to reset them for SMB client?

Hardware / Re: USBDRV 10.225 - full support for USB audio
« on: July 29, 2019, 11:36:28 am »
If the order was changed for USB3 and we don't have USB3 yet why change things when it can cause problems?

Events / Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
« on: July 28, 2019, 09:41:54 pm »
Hi Doug,

I pulled up your 'fix' for libcx from an earlier thread and applied it via config.sys - now I have almost all of my programs working, one needs a little more work, it starts but then just closes.

Are there any more  'fixes' for the nixi DLLs I should know about?

The FTP problem is one that is very annoying - transferring data in bulk, several files selected for transfer, it just locks up hard, power off reset needed.

The other network problem with the NAS boxes is one that keeps on telling me that I don't have access for that network resource - no problems with networking before the update.

Events / Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
« on: July 28, 2019, 05:28:18 pm »
Ryzen 3 2200G.

Update went reasonably well - an inordinate number of reboots, but...

As we are advised there are changes in the desktop.  The biggest being that everything is moved and not where I expect them to be.  The next problem is that many of my normal programs no longer run - I suspect there are some DLLs that have been changed and are no longer backwards compatible, or hopefully need switches to make them work.

Without USB3, there is no way I can test an install on modern hardware and with the breaking of normal programs I will not be recommending this to my old clients.

Networking partly works, I can get out to the internet but am cut off from my NAS storage boxes although FTP does work intermittently.

So far I have not tried to do a new install, that will be the next thing to try.

Off Topic discussions / Re: Should I go for it or better not?
« on: July 27, 2019, 12:44:06 am »
Much too expensive unless the case is gold plated.

I just gave away a couple of my older machines (AMD processors) of about the same vintage a week ago.

Let me know what you are looking for as I still have several motherboards, video cards as well as network cards (all motherboards have AMS processors).  All of these ran either warp 3 connect or warp 4.

I also have several IDE hard disks that may,or may not, have warp 4 on them. 

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