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Title: What is New in eComStation 2.0 Silver Release (RC7)
Post by: Saijin_Naib on 2009.08.11, 04:12:13
#  Updated OS2LVM to bldlevel 14.105 (was 14.96)
# Added new LVM wrapper, prevents problems with eCS alongside Windows Vista
# Updated Bootable JFS to version 1.0.8
# Updated NTFS.IFS to version 2.0.17

These are very interesting, especially NTFS. Can anyone comment any further on this?

Also, I'd like to see the option to have eCS install to ofther Filesystems than HPFS/JFS. I think that if it supports the filesystem as read/write it should be able to be installed to/booted from that filesystem.
Title: Re: What is New in eComStation 2.0 Silver Release (RC7)
Post by: cytan on 2009.08.11, 05:14:59
What really worries me is ACPI is at 3.16. Comments?

cytan
Title: Re: What is New in eComStation 2.0 Silver Release (RC7)
Post by: Saijin_Naib on 2009.08.11, 07:36:53
231 kb     25/04/2005 09:59 pm     NTFS.IFS Read, Delete. Please, test the Delete function on test computers only! It may cause damage of your data!     2.017     Eugene Gorbunoff

Nevermind, its this nearly 5 year old IFS driver.
Title: Re: What is New in eComStation 2.0 Silver Release (RC7)
Post by: Sigurd on 2009.08.11, 09:45:03
For me it would be interesting to get more information about the possibility to install eCS next to Vista (and so - I guess - also next to Windows 7).

My renewed Software Subscription after years finally expired two month ago, and as I do not plan to renewed it once again I am not able to test this with the Silver Release.

Is it possible the same way as with Windows XP - and that easy? As I still plan to use eCS on modern hardware this would be very good.

Do one has to install the OS/2 Bootmanager BEFORE the installation of Vista or is it possible (as I do sometimes with XP in case of preventing the Original Installation on new hardware or because of just having Recovery versions of the OS that would destroy any other installation that has been applied before) - to manipulate the already installed VISTA and install the OS/2 Bootmanager and eCS afterwards?

Well, at least I will try this as soon as the GA of eCS 2.0 will be availiable but does someone made an experience till now?

Thanks in Advance.

Sigurd
Title: Re: What is New in eComStation 2.0 Silver Release (RC7)
Post by: miturbide on 2009.08.11, 15:57:58
About installing eCS on ofther Filesystems than HPFS/JFS.

I don't think that NTFS should be an option (to boot the OS from) because it is Microsoft propietary and they will change it at will, without notice leaving us High and Dry.

About HPFS, the patent belongs to MS (http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=BrskAAAAEBAJ&dq=High+performance+file+system), so we should not find a future there. (Speaking again from the boot OS partition perspective)

I don't know if JFS is complete free. I know IBM released under GNU GPL so it can be added to Linux. Possible this should be our preference.

Martin
Title: Re: What is New in eComStation 2.0 Silver Release (RC7)
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2009.08.11, 17:11:38
I agree, I think JFS is the future. Isn't now bootable, too?  ???  ::)
Title: Re: What is New in eComStation 2.0 Silver Release (RC7)
Post by: oli on 2009.08.11, 17:53:00
Quote from: miturbide on 2009.08.11, 15:57:58
About installing eCS on ofther Filesystems than HPFS/JFS.

I don't think that NTFS should be an option (to boot the OS from) because it is Microsoft propietary and they will change it at will, without notice leaving us High and Dry.

About HPFS, the patent belongs to MS (http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=BrskAAAAEBAJ&dq=High+performance+file+system), so we should not find a future there. (Speaking again from the boot OS partition perspective)

I don't know if JFS is complete free. I know IBM released under GNU GPL so it can be added to Linux. Possible this should be our preference.

Martin
The bootable JFS is based on the Linux version which in turn is based on the OS/2 version, it is free

The Microsoft HPFS patent was granted in 1990 is is either no longer valid or will no longer be vailid in a year or 2
Title: Re: What is New in eComStation 2.0 Silver Release (RC7)
Post by: chennecke on 2009.08.12, 11:35:04
Quote from: Sigurd on 2009.08.11, 09:45:03
For me it would be interesting to get more information about the possibility to install eCS next to Vista (and so - I guess - also next to Windows 7).

eCS 2.0 Silver includes a fix to make installing next to an existing Vista possible without damaging that Vista installation. Installation along Windows 7 is not supported yet since MS made some changes again.
Title: Re: What is New in eComStation 2.0 Silver Release (RC7)
Post by: RobertM on 2009.08.14, 10:32:56
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2009.08.11, 07:36:53
231 kb     25/04/2005 09:59 pm     NTFS.IFS Read, Delete. Please, test the Delete function on test computers only! It may cause damage of your data!     2.017     Eugene Gorbunoff

Nevermind, its this nearly 5 year old IFS driver.

Dont expect too much in this area. MacOSX, from what I understand, does not have proper write support for NTFS either. Even with Apple's resources.
Title: Re: What is New in eComStation 2.0 Silver Release (RC7)
Post by: Saijin_Naib on 2009.08.14, 14:49:23
Right. But NTFS 3g is open source and constantly updated, tested, and developed. I've made this point before: We should use the NTFS 3g driver from Linux as a base to update our NTFS driver.

Hell, we should look at the FAT32 driver as well seeing as you know, it like actually works and stuff.
Title: Re: What is New in eComStation 2.0 Silver Release (RC7)
Post by: ivan on 2009.08.14, 22:32:30
Saijin-naib, I couldn't agree more but you must realise there a certain people that insist on re-developing the wheel for their own glory.
Title: Re: What is New in eComStation 2.0 Silver Release (RC7)
Post by: Pete on 2009.08.14, 23:01:56
Hi

Quote from: cytan on 2009.08.11, 05:14:59
What really worries me is ACPI is at 3.16. Comments?

cytan



Most of my comments about 3.15 and 3.16 builds would be very impolite.

Hopefully this will improve...


Regards

Pete
Title: Re: What is New in eComStation 2.0 Silver Release (RC7)
Post by: miturbide on 2009.08.14, 23:06:52

NTFS 3G  (http://www.ntfs-3g.org) web site looks nice. But I still don't buy the idea to boot from NTFS 3G. What will be the difference with JFS. To me it is better is to stick to JFS for boot. And get NTFS 3G support for other partitions to share files with Windows in dual boot machine for example.
Title: Re: What is New in eComStation 2.0 Silver Release (RC7)
Post by: Saijin_Naib on 2009.08.15, 01:00:50
I see what you mean Mit. My thinking runs thus:

If we have an IFS driver that supports read and write, why not have it bootable?

All the FS drivers in most Linux Distros (PCLinuxOS comes to mind) can be booted from. Why? Just because.

It is not a necessity, but I'd like to see that option.

But really, I think we need a better NTFS and FAT driver IFS. I don't :really: care if they are installable/bootable, just that they work and work WELL.
Title: Re: What is New in eComStation 2.0 Silver Release (RC7)
Post by: Blonde Guy on 2009.08.15, 06:57:11
I'm not concerned with NTFS. If you really want it, there is pretty good support with NetDrive. Compared to NetDrive, I thought the NTFS driver in eCS is buggy. NetDrive is limited, but provides good read/write support to an NTFS drive on a Windows XP system. NetDrive is not bootable. The eCS NTFS driver is probably already bootable as long as you supply UNTFS.DLL, the mini file system driver for the boot environment.

My real concern, not for eCS 2.0, but ongoing, is the 2 TB limit. 2TB drives are in the stores now. We can or nearly can boot from a 2 TB JFS partition. But going beyond 2 TB is a barrier.

Making this happen for OS/2 will take changes to the kernel, to the file system, to the DASD and LVM drivers and to the OS/2 API. File size is currently limited to 2 TB as well. Programs will need to be recompiled to get greater than 2TB support.
Title: Re: What is New in eComStation 2.0 Silver Release (RC7)
Post by: RobertM on 2009.09.02, 17:02:02
Quote from: Blonde Guy on 2009.08.15, 06:57:11
I'm not concerned with NTFS.

I am. I need to set up an OS/2 server for the Star Trek Phase 2 gang in 3 weeks. I wish (that instead of FTPing back and forth) it could simply write to NTFS volumes much like this driver can:

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/system_disk_utilities/ntfs3g.html

I am hoping a stable port of the Linux version is coming soon.
Title: Re: What is New in eComStation 2.0 Silver Release (RC7)
Post by: Saijin_Naib on 2009.09.02, 18:14:49
^
I second this. I've been saying we should have a port project of NTFS-3G for over a year now. Of course, people don't respect my opinion here but now that Rob has said it as well..
Title: Re: What is New in eComStation 2.0 Silver Release (RC7)
Post by: warpcafe on 2009.09.02, 18:46:14
Hi,

Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2009.09.02, 18:14:49
Of course, people don't respect my opinion here but now that Rob has said it as well..

no, you are mistaken. We *do* respect others opinions.
It's just, you know, we simply don't give a damn about them! :) :) :)
(just kidding)

BTW: Yes, an NTFS driver port would not be the worst idea...

Cheers,
Thomas