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Title: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: ckblackm on 2010.08.17, 02:29:03
I've just picked up an old HP Omnibook 800ct setup and would like to install Warp 4 on it.
It's a P166MMX w/ 80mb ram and a 6 gb HD in it.  It has an external floppy (bootable) and
an external cdrom drive (not bootable) that's scsi.

I've followed the instructions on setting up for install for this machine, but it hangs on disk 1.
The HP Omnibook came w/ the device drivers preloaded (they're also on the recovery cd... I just had to copy them to floppy)

Here's the instructions:
You must add the SCSI driver to the OS/2 Warp installation disk 1:
1. Delete the file AHA152X.ADD from OS/2 Warp installation disk 1.
2. Copy OS2CAM.ADD from \OMNIBOOK\DRIVERS\OS2\SCSI to disk 1.
3. Edit the CONFIG.SYS on the OS/2 Warp installation disk 1
4. Add the following lines:
     BASEDEV=OS2CAM.ADD
     SET COPYFROMFLOPPY=1.
5. Change the following line:
     BASEDEV=AHA152X.ADD
     to
     REM BASEDEV=AHA152X.ADD
6. Save and close CONFIG.SYS.


I don't know why it's hanging, but I've got 2 identical setups (ie. 2 laptops w/ floppies/cdrom) and it does the same thing on both.
Any ideas?

thanks,
Christopher.
Title: Re: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: Fahrvenugen on 2010.08.18, 05:07:01
Hi,

Are you running with updated IBM1s506.add or the DANIS506.ADD driver on your Disk 1?  It'll need that for the hard disk access.

If you're still on the original driver that may be the problem.  I know the original shipping driver was supposed to work with drives around 6 GB, that's something I'd look at.

Title: Re: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: Radek on 2010.08.18, 14:35:59
The disk size does not seem to be the problem. The IBM driver was able to handle disks up to 8 GB (LBA mode). Daniela's drivers could help if the disk weren't "standard". But then - why was the comp shipped with OS/2 drivers? Or, does the OS2 directory contain also other drivers, for example, a HD driver?

The instructions posted by cblackm are pretty clear, they should be OK. What's wrong is a mystery, especially because the instructions came from the vendor. I suggest the following:

(1) Check the BIOS settings (if it is possible). The HD should be in LBA mode, the CHS data should correspond to the 6 GB size.
(2) Comment out the os2cam.add driver and try to install. You should get a message that your CD cannot be operated by the installer. If you do then the HD isn't guilty most possibly.
Title: Re: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: ModZilla on 2010.08.18, 17:49:35
I've had some success experimentally speaking, with Linux installs as well as os/2 warp4
server on towers, rack servers and laps; I built a VMM virtual machine once that booted
to OS2 from Linux BSD after installing a live boot mgr. I learned the hard way and consequently
stay away from live BIOS and\or changing the BIOS on proprietary machines esp. if the
box/lap machine already had Twindoze installed previous to my somewhat languishing attempts;
[ie to restructure the factory default settings on HP or Compaq installs which they get in bulk
for nothin as ISO files and loaded on HDD by the thousands-not one at a time of course!] -as
MS seems to be cryptic in the take over of the BIOS almost exclusively unless you flash it
on the mobo and start over (clean install including a deep HDD format). Enough rambling here,
point being you may try the thing I found that works usually without a hitch: EasyBCD. I do not
have the link but I am sure you can lycos search it (do not use GOOGLE for this as the data stream
will be seeded and you will get all kinds of pop ups later for having searched this including spyware)
and download the latest version as I have not used this for some time. GOOD LUCK and GOD BLESS ALL!
Title: Re: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: ckblackm on 2010.08.18, 22:06:06
Ok... I had tried to do so much I had forgotten what exactly I had done.  So I started over w/ new disks.

Using original disks (not updated)... and following the omnibook instructions,
the install process went through, accesses the cd and got to the install part.
But, as expected, it isn't able to see all of the disk and fdisk won't let me partition it.

When I replace the ibm1s506.add with the newest from hobbes, it hangs like I described earlier.
If I replaced the ibm1s506.add with the latest dani, then it sorta flips out... it'll ask for disk 2, but the floppy
is still being accesses (on-off-on-off) in rapid succession.  If I put in disk 2, it gives an error about not being
able to handle the hard drive.

Are there some switches or whatnot that I need to use with either the dani driver or the 1s506 driver?  (I wasn't using any switches)

Are there any other files that need updating/changing on disk 1?

thanks,
Christopher.
Title: Re: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: Radek on 2010.08.19, 08:39:33
The possible source of problems can be the version of Daniela's drivers. The latest versions are for eCS. Try some older versions: 1.6.x for example, you find them on Hobbes. These versions should work with W4. You will need to replace ibm1s506.sys and os2dasd.dmd with Daniela's drivers at least.
Title: Re: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: The Blue Warper on 2010.08.19, 12:59:31
Another suggestion (just in case): maybe either the floppy disk drive or the floppy disks themselves are faulty?
Title: Re: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: ckblackm on 2010.08.19, 15:56:08
I only see the latest danis driver on hobbes.. .any idea where I could find an older one?

thanks,
Christopher.
Title: Re: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: ivan on 2010.08.19, 17:07:58
You could try http://www.os2site.com/sw/drivers/ide/index.html  also have a good look on that site, there might be a modified disk 1 available.

ivan
Title: Re: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: ckblackm on 2010.08.20, 06:23:25
Ok... I gave up on trying to install it on that machine... too much frustration.  So I took the other
Omnibook 800ct that I've got (exactly the same, but has a 2 gig hd as opposed to the 6g in the first one)
and everything installed.  Go fig.  Ah well... I guess I'll play around with this one.

One problem though. 

I'm trying to setup tcpip so I can d/l the fixpacks.  The adapter's working, and I get an ip address
from the router via dhcp, and from another machine on the network, I can ping the omnibook....
but the omnibook can't ping anything (including the router), but itself (it pings itself fine).  It also
can't resolve hostnames, but that might be because it can't ping anything.  I know I'm probably missing
something simple... any ideas?

thanks,
Christopher.
Title: Re: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: ckblackm on 2010.08.20, 07:04:09
nvm... a reboot and it seems to be working.  Hopefully I can d/l the fixpack and the universe will be happy again.
:-)

thanks for everyone's help,
Christopher.
Title: Re: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: Radek on 2010.08.20, 10:59:26
I have found version 1.7.0 of the driver in my archives. The driver should work with W4. I can email it to you if you post me a PM with your email address.
Title: Re: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: ckblackm on 2010.08.20, 18:10:04
Updated to FP15, unfortunately the audio is no longer working.  It trap D's when it gets to the
audio driver (it's a ess 1887).   If I disable the audio in the bios, it boots and works normally (minus the audio, of course).

any ideas?   The dates on the ess 1887 driver that I have match the ones available on hobbes.

thanks,
Christopher.
Title: Re: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: ckblackm on 2010.08.20, 18:27:59
Is there a relatively recent browser that I can use with this?  The latest firefox build has too high of min. system requirements  (this is only a p166mmx w/ 80mb ram).

thanks,
Christopher.
Title: Re: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: ckblackm on 2010.08.20, 20:18:06
I've noticed that the above problem with the network seems to reoccur if I've been idle for any length of time... a reboot fixes the problem, but it just seems weird.
Title: Re: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: RobertM on 2010.08.21, 03:27:41
Quote from: ckblackm on 2010.08.20, 18:27:59
Is there a relatively recent browser that I can use with this?  The latest firefox build has too high of min. system requirements  (this is only a p166mmx w/ 80mb ram).

thanks,
Christopher.


Probably your best bet still sadly. :(

Title: Re: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: RobertM on 2010.08.21, 03:29:08
Quote from: ckblackm on 2010.08.20, 20:18:06
I've noticed that the above problem with the network seems to reoccur if I've been idle for any length of time... a reboot fixes the problem, but it just seems weird.

Possibly, something in APM is turning off the NIC? If so, disable all such in the BIOS. As for the other machine, sounds like what you may have needed is to change SCSI settings in the BIOS to support the 8GB drive for booting (sizes are either 1GB, 2GB, 4GB or 8GB on various BIOS).
Title: Re: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: ckblackm on 2010.08.23, 03:51:23
Any idea why the ess 1887 audio would cause a trap d?  It didn't do this before the fp15 install.
Title: Re: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: The Blue Warper on 2010.08.23, 14:44:13
Sorry, I hadn't time to post this earlier.
If you're trying to install Warp 4 from the original installation disks, the installation is probably hanging due to your HD being too large for the original IBM drivers.  The original IBMS506.ADD supported hard disk drives up to 4.3 GB.  Support for up to 8.4 GB was introduced with FP6.
Now, you write you did upgrade the original IBMS506.ADD and even tried DANIS506.ADD driver.  So I wonder whether you did put the SET COPYFROMFLOPPY=1 line in your config.sys.  Moreover, you might want to try upgrading IBMIDECD.FLT/IBMATAPI.FLT too (though I don't think it's related to your specific issue).

From the readme.txt file found in the IDEDASD package (the one to be found in http://www.os2site.com/sw/drivers/ide/idedasd.exe for example, which seems to be the latest free one):

[...]
If you are attempting to install Warp 3 or Warp 4 for the first time on a
  fixed hard drive greater than 4.3GB, then:

  1.  Follow the instruction on "Updating the Installation Diskettes" in this
      README and use the new diskettes to install Warp.

  2.  Install FP35 for Warp 3 or FP6 for Warp 4.

  3.  Follow the instructions in this README to install this package.



  2.0  INSTALLATION
  _________________

  2.1  UPDATING THE INSTALLATION DISKETTES
  ________________________________________

  If you are attempting to install Warp on a hard drive greater than
  4.3GB, or your are attempting to install Warp Server for e-business on
  a hard drive greater than 30GB, then the Installation diskettes must
  be updated.

  1.  Make a backup copy of your Diskette 1 (D1).

  2.  Copy the new versions of IBM1S506.ADD, and IBMIDECD.FLT
      device driver files onto your D1 diskette.

  3.  If the installation diskettes are for Warp Server for e-business,
      Warp Server for e-business Convenience Pak, or Warp 4 Convenience Pak,
      copy the DASD32.DMD file to your D1 diskette and rename it to
      OS2DASD.DMD.  Otherwise copy the DASD16.DMD file to your D1
      diskette and rename it to OS2DASD.DMD.

  4.  Add the statement SET COPYFROMFLOPPY=1 to the CONFIG.SYS on D1.

  5.  Save the changes.

  6.  Start the installation with the Installation Diskette.

  7.  When you are prompted for Diskette 1, use the diskette you modified.

  8.  Proceed with the installation.

  9.  If during the installation process or when restarting your system, you
      lose connection to your hard disk or CDROM, make sure that the device
      driver statements are in the CONFIG.SYS file and the new versions of the
      IBM1S506.ADD, IBMIDECD.FLT and OS2DASD.DMD device drivers have been
      copied to the \OS2\BOOT directory.  Use the date of the files to distin-
      guish the newer versions.
[...]


Hope this can contribute to shed a little more light to your problem.
Regards
Title: Re: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: rudi on 2010.08.23, 16:06:46
Quote from: ckblackm on 2010.08.23, 03:51:23
Any idea why the ess 1887 audio would cause a trap d?  It didn't do this before the fp15 install.


Because it has a bug the manifests itself only on kernels distributed with FP13 and later.

Title: Re: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: RobertM on 2010.08.23, 18:58:25
Quote from: The Blue Warper on 2010.08.23, 14:44:13
Sorry, I hadn't time to post this earlier.
If you're trying to install Warp 4 from the original installation disks, the installation is probably hanging due to your HD being too large for the original IBM drivers.  The original IBMS506.ADD supported hard disk drives up to 4.3 GB.  Support for up to 8.4 GB was introduced with FP6.

As a related note that someone else here mentioned a while back, using the DANI driver in place of the IBM one can be accomplished by renaming the DANI driver to the same name as the IBM one and replacing the IBM one. The SetCopyFromFloppy line is still required, as TBW indicated.
Title: Re: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: ckblackm on 2010.08.23, 19:28:10
I had the setcopyfromfloppy flag set already as the instructions had me do that for the scsi cdrom driver.... so
that wasn't the problem.

I'm not worried about that now... I just decided to do the install on the 2gb machine instead. 

Things that need fixing now: (so far)

1) Is there a fix for the ess 1887 driver so it doesn't trap D (besides backing out to before fp13?)

2) Is there a way to make os/2 warp actually shut off the machine when I shut down?

3) What level of java can I install on here?  I tried the innotek 1.42 from os2site.com, but it complains about not having an innotek driver installed.

4) when connected via pcmcia lan card to the internet... web explorer works, but firefox doesn't actually seem to attempt to go to url's I type in.

thanks,
Christopher.
Title: Re: Installing Warp 4 on old HP Omnibook 800ct
Post by: RobertM on 2010.08.23, 20:18:14
Quote from: ckblackm on 2010.08.23, 19:28:10
I had the setcopyfromfloppy flag set already as the instructions had me do that for the scsi cdrom driver.... so
that wasn't the problem.

I'm not worried about that now... I just decided to do the install on the 2gb machine instead.  

Things that need fixing now: (so far)

1) Is there a fix for the ess 1887 driver so it doesn't trap D (besides backing out to before fp13?)

Try UniAudio - I'm using an older version on one of my machines that has a similar chipset without issue (machine is running WSeB CP2).


Quote from: ckblackm on 2010.08.23, 19:28:10
2) Is there a way to make os/2 warp actually shut off the machine when I shut down?

xWorkPlace and it's extended shutdown routines (once you install xWP, you need to enable the extended shutdown features). There's also an extended shutdown utility on Hobbes someplace (sorry I dont recall it's name). Let me know if you dont get either to work or cant find them. They work on some/most of the systems I have.


Quote from: ckblackm on 2010.08.23, 19:28:10
3) What level of java can I install on here?  I tried the innotek 1.42 from os2site.com, but it complains about not having an innotek driver installed.

IBM Java (v1.31), or install the Innotek Runtime.

More information on Java stuff (some outdated), can be found here:
-> http://www.os2world.com/java/

More information/downloads for the Innotek Runtime can be found here (use most recent):
-> http://www.os2site.com/sw/dev/InnoTek/index.html


Quote from: ckblackm on 2010.08.23, 19:28:10
4) when connected via pcmcia lan card to the internet... web explorer works, but firefox doesn't actually seem to attempt to go to url's I type in.


That's baffling. Have you checked the network settings in Firefox to ensure they are not set to some proxy configuration? Also, try accessing a website via it's IP address. A safe one would be Google. From a command prompt, do "host www.google.com" and then try that IP address in Firefox.

If none of that work, then please go into more detail about what Firefox is (or is not) doing. Is it failing on the "resolving host" portion? On the "connecting..."? Sitting on "waiting for..."? or where/how?