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Title: RW CD-ROM Drive Not Writing in ECS
Post by: Dennis on 2008.01.02, 23:00:29
The title pretty much says it all. When I try to copy or move a file from one of the partitions on my notebook HDD to the RW CD drive, the system won't let me. I was trying to move/copy an unzip program from the HDD to the CD. Any ideas?

Thanks

Dennis
Title: Re: RW CD-ROM Drive Not Writing in ECS
Post by: melf on 2008.01.03, 00:35:17
Not to shure here , but isn't the only way to do such an action to have RSJ installed? As I remember there is an option where you format your CDRW and after that you can drag files to CD-drive or use command lines COPY command.
Title: Re: RW CD-ROM Drive Not Writing in ECS
Post by: Dennis on 2008.01.03, 00:41:09
RSJ? The drive worked when it was installed.....
Title: Re: RW CD-ROM Drive Not Writing in ECS
Post by: melf on 2008.01.03, 01:20:29
If I get you right you want to burn a file from your harddrive on an rewriteable CD in you burner. You also want to do that by moving or copying a file like, "copy xxx.zip S:" If you want to do such an action I don't know of no other method than the one I mentioned. As far as I know similar windowsprograms also must use some format option to be able to just move or copy files in that way. Or have I misunderstood your aim?
Title: Re: RW CD-ROM Drive Not Writing in ECS
Post by: kim on 2008.01.03, 09:57:22
As Melf says you need to use the RSJ CD-Writer software that came along with eComStation and if you installed eComStation I guess that this should be installed as well. To do what you want to do, you need to Attaching and Detaching CDs using the "CDATTACH" command. When this is done you're able to drag and drop files directly to the CDR-unit.

The command CDATTACH allows attaching and detaching a CD to an OS/2 drive letter. To attach a CD means to associate a drive letter to the CD, while detaching refers to removing the association between the CD and its drive letter.

The full manual is available as download fron RSJ Software and it will be of great help; you find it here (http://www2.rsj.de/pub/cdwos2/doc/cdwos2usd.pdf).
Title: Re: RW CD-ROM Drive Not Writing in ECS
Post by: Dennis on 2008.01.18, 04:36:16
I just looked at the CD drive. On the outside it says DVD Rom. Does that make a difference???

Melf--thanks. I'm checking out RSJ right now. I know it's on the system, but I don't know if it's installed or working.
Title: Re: RW CD-ROM Drive Not Writing in ECS
Post by: Andi on 2008.01.18, 11:28:31
You can drag&drop or copy without formating or attaching and without RSJ if you use UDF and DVD-RAMs which came preformated usually. Of course your burner must support DVD-RAM for that which is not the case for every DVD burner.

The same should be true if you use CD-RW and format them with UDF (format x: /FS:UDF).

You didn't post the manufacturer and model number till now. But I think you've checked that it's really a burner, not just a DVD-ROM (reader only), did you?
Title: Re: RW CD-ROM Drive Not Writing in ECS
Post by: Saijin_Naib on 2008.01.18, 11:30:25
is the UDF.IFS that is supplied with eCS 2.0 RC4 at a level recent enough for me to complete this format operation?
Title: Re: RW CD-ROM Drive Not Writing in ECS
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2008.01.18, 19:25:08
Quote from: Andi on 2008.01.18, 11:28:31
You can drag&drop or copy without formating or attaching and without RSJ if you use UDF and DVD-RAMs which came preformated usually. Of course your burner must support DVD-RAM for that which is not the case for every DVD burner.

The same should be true if you use CD-RW and format them with UDF (format x: /FS:UDF).

You didn't post the manufacturer and model number till now. But I think you've checked that it's really a burner, not just a DVD-ROM (reader only), did you?

My Acer Aspire has dvd-rom on the left and compact disc rewritable on the right of the optical drive. It is similar to what you think the person has on theirs.  8)
Title: Re: RW CD-ROM Drive Not Writing in ECS
Post by: Dennis on 2008.01.18, 22:06:39
Currently, the latest DaniATAPI.flt is installed. Docs for that say I don't need RSJ or UDF--at least, that's how I understand the docs.
I also have installed the latest daniS506.add.
Just tried to write a file to the CD by using the Copy & Move commands and drag & drop. None worked.
Now what? I'm wondering if the drive is kaput.....
Title: Re: RW CD-ROM Drive Not Writing in ECS
Post by: Pete on 2008.01.19, 03:32:21
Quote from: Dennis on 2008.01.18, 22:06:39
Currently, the latest DaniATAPI.flt is installed. Docs for that say I don't need RSJ or UDF--at least, that's how I understand the docs.
I also have installed the latest daniS506.add.
Just tried to write a file to the CD by using the Copy & Move commands and drag & drop. None worked.
Now what? I'm wondering if the drive is kaput.....


Hi Dennis

To write to CD-R/RW or any of the recordable DVD disc formats you firstly need a burner. In a previous post you mention that the device in use states DVD-ROM on it; ie DVD-ReadOnlyMemory.

You are not going to get very far if trying to write to a disc in a DVD-ROM  :-)

If the above was some sort of typo and you do have a burner - possibly 1 of those combo DVD-ROM/CD-Writer devices: Yes, you do need software to use the burner.

cdrecord2 and RSJ  can be used to burn to CD-R/RW discs
dvddao and RSJ can be used to burn to DVD Recordables (R/RW/RAM) - note I have no experience of using RSJ for DVD burning but the blah for the recent versions claims that ability
UDF can be used to format any CD-RW or DVD+-RW/RAM disc to act as a large removable floppy ie no partitions.

I suggest a reread of the daniatapi.doc - I certainly cannot get it to read that no burning software is required  :-)

As regards drivers: the current "Danis drivers" + the last IBM IDE update + the last IBM UDF update are all required as well as the burning software.

Hope the above helps

Pete
Title: Re: RW CD-ROM Drive Not Writing in ECS
Post by: Pete on 2008.01.19, 03:43:29
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.01.18, 11:30:25
is the UDF.IFS that is supplied with eCS 2.0 RC4 at a level recent enough for me to complete this format operation?


Hi

As long as eCS have not cocked up they should be using the last release of UDF which, I think, is this:-

21-04-06 11:21a       132,573      0 a---  udf.ifs


Shame bldlevel does not work with UDF.IFS but I think that is UDF216+ ; ie the update to UDF216 which consisted of only the UDF.IFS and UDF.SYM files.


If you are having trouble UDF formatting CD-RW or DVD RW/RAM discs you should also check the bldlevel of the os2dasd.dmd and os2cdrom.dmd files. I think these are the most recent:-

[H:\OS2\BOOT]bldlevel os2dasd.dmd
Build Level Display Facility Version 6.12.675 Sep 25 2001
(C) Copyright IBM Corporation 1993-2001
Signature:       @#IBM:14.104#@ IBM DASD Manager

[H:\OS2\BOOT]bldlevel os2cdrom.dmd
Build Level Display Facility Version 6.12.675 Sep 25 2001
(C) Copyright IBM Corporation 1993-2001
Signature:       @#IBM:10.163#@  Device Manager Driver for CDROM


Regards

Pete
Title: Re: RW CD-ROM Drive Not Writing in ECS
Post by: Dennis on 2008.01.19, 18:18:38
Thanks, Pete. The "DVD-ROM" also has the word "REWRITABLE" on it. That tells me I should be able to write a cd. Should I install the RSJ along with the latest DaniATAPI.FLT? Like I said in an earlier post, I believe it worked when it was installed....

Dennis
Title: Re: RW CD-ROM Drive Not Writing in ECS
Post by: RobertM on 2008.01.19, 18:37:55
Quote from: Dennis on 2008.01.19, 18:18:38
Thanks, Pete. The "DVD-ROM" also has the word "REWRITABLE" on it. That tells me I should be able to write a cd. Should I install the RSJ along with the latest DaniATAPI.FLT? Like I said in an earlier post, I believe it worked when it was installed....

Dennis

Dennis, that should work - or the CDRW tools on Hobbes...

-Robert
Title: Re: RW CD-ROM Drive Not Writing in ECS
Post by: Dennis on 2008.01.20, 01:27:03
I now have the demo version that came with ECS installed on my notebook. is it supposed to be resident or do I have to open it every time I need to write to the cd? I'm also trying to figure out how to download the manual so I can figure out how to use it.
Title: Re: RW CD-ROM Drive Not Writing in ECS
Post by: Pete on 2008.01.21, 02:20:55
Quote from: Dennis on 2008.01.20, 01:27:03
I now have the demo version that came with ECS installed on my notebook. is it supposed to be resident or do I have to open it every time I need to write to the cd? I'm also trying to figure out how to download the manual so I can figure out how to use it.


Hi Dennis

To use RSJ to copy files to in a similar manner to copying between disk volumes you need to start RSJ CD Writer Control and attach the Burner - usually drive letter Z:

Must admit that I have never bothered with the eCS freebie - I went for the option of the eCS upgrade to full package at a discount price a while back. I would expect the docs to be available with the installation though...

Search the boot drive and PROGRAMS folder for cdwdoc.pdf; also check the [BootDrive]:\eCS\DOC folder tree for RSJ related docs.

If you cannot find any docs then I guess I could email you copies of those I have.

Regards

Pete
Title: Re: RW CD-ROM Drive Not Writing in ECS
Post by: Andi on 2008.01.21, 14:04:31
Quote... The "DVD-ROM" also has the word "REWRITABLE" on it
This could mean that the Drive can _read_ Rewritables. In the early CD-ROM (and later in the DVD-ROM) days a lot of CD-drives are not able to read Rewritables because the different optical characteristics. Newer drives are marked with 'Rewritable' to indicate that the are designed for reading Rewritables too.

The first burners where clearly labled as 'burners'. Most times they are labled with 3 speeds - f. i. 48x/24x/48x which means reading CDs with 48x speed, reading/writing CD-RW with 24x and writing CD-ROMs with 48x.

Newer drives often are not labeled as burners anymore, cause most new drives are burners anyway (but not all!). To know the capabilities of the drive it is necessary to know the manufacturer and model type. Sometimes drives from the same manufacturer but sold to an OEM customer miss some functionality. f. i. the LG drive in my  HP pc in the office is nearly identical to the LG Drive with the same number, but the HP version miss the DVD-RAM cabability. So it's absolutly necessary to know which drive you are refering.

If you don't know the drive model number, probably you'll never be able to burn anything. Regardless of RSJ, CD-Record or UDF.

If you don't want to dismount the drive to look for the model number, there are software tools to read this too. (RSJ lockcdr.drv, sane-find-scanner.exe ....)
Title: Re: RW CD-ROM Drive Not Writing in ECS
Post by: melf on 2008.01.21, 14:38:58
Dennis, to clear things up: Could you please give us the model of your laptop, all numbers that you find as "Acer Aspire 1355 XC". (I've looked for this info in the thread but haven't found any) Search for that model on google and you have a pretty fair chance to see what type of optical device it has.
Title: Re: RW CD-ROM Drive Not Writing in ECS
Post by: Radek on 2008.01.21, 14:59:06
If you have installed RSJ then start the control dialog and click "Detect" on the first page of the dialog. You can get the following responses:
(a) Nothing is detected. In this case, your CD drive isn't a CDRW. It is only a "reader". Another possibility is that the drive wasn't recognized by RSJ. In both cases, you have almost no chance to burn with RSJ and only a little chance to burn with cdrecord.
(b) You get the type of your CD drive. Post it, it is neccessary for further discusion. In this case, the CD drive is a burner but it does not mean that you will succeed in burning a CD. You must try.
You don't need to burn anything for this test. You even don't need to have a blank CD in the drive.