This thread is dedicated to everything related to COMFETAR live which does not belong to either the bounty system or other parts of the forum. Go for it!
Thread title changed accordingly. ;)
Does anyone also know of Oliver Mark's whereabouts?
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He left IBM a few years ago for Intel.
It was from him that we learned that Microsoft said they didn't care if IBM open-sourced OS/2 but that it would cost IBM an estimated $500,000 + lawyer fees to open-source it.
How WIP is it? What progress has been made? Projected time of arrival? Etc, etc, etc.
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.04.26, 08:16:10
COMFETAR LIVE for OS/2 is an "Work-In-Progress" port of IBM's UC2 Suite of Products including (IBM's Lotus Notes, IBM's Lotus SameTime, IBM's Lotus Symphony....) to the OS/2 Warp Operating System that will allow users worldwide to
Hmm, to me it looks pretty much like vaporware or an april fool's joke. The solution provider (located in Guyana ?) doesn't even seem to have a web site showing the product "for Windows and Linux Operating Systems". Not to mention the "Applications to be subsequently ported to the IBM OS/2® Warp"...
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.04.26, 09:34:23
FYI, IBM's Lotus Notes 8.0 and IBM's Lotus SameTime 8.0 for both the Windows and Linux Operating Systems are available today
I did not doubt that. I'm questioning the solution mentioned here:
http://www-304.ibm.com/jct09002c/gsdod/solutiondetails.do?solution=14283&expand=true&lc=en
It may be "Work-In-Progress", but at the moment I see nothing but marketing blah blah.
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.04.26, 09:34:23
Please note that Web Site (presently under construction) to deliver on COMFETAR LIVE for OS/2 will be ready when COMFETAR LIVE for OS/2 is ready based on the above mentioned philosophy also. ;)
As I understand it, the web site http://www.orionresourcesintl.com/ is supposed to be the home of the solution in general. Not only for OS/2. But all I see is a stupid web search page with *NOTHING*. No mention of the product, no details on the company behind it, not information about the project status or progress. Not to talk about an estimated release date. The whole appearance leaves a completely unprofessional impression. Heck, they want to provide such a supposedly big solution, but fail to create a simple web site informing about it...
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.04.26, 18:54:27
You seem to be in a rush, what's the hurry?
I've seen too many announcements of great products that never materialized. And currently I see no indication that this product will do differently. But time will tell...
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.04.26, 18:54:27
What if the company was intent on having it's web site supported on an Operating System that has not been enhanced in the last five to ten years?
Then I would stay silent until I have at least *something* to show to the public. Or add a page like "This is going to be the greatest software in the world. Currently it's not finished, but you will get this, this and that. Stay tuned !". Even if this page would have to be carried on an Operating System that was enhanced in last five to ten years.
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.04.26, 18:54:27
Did you not sign the Second OS/2 World Foundation's Petition letter to IBM?
I did, but without high hopes. Or in other words: I didn't expect it to change something, but it didn't hurt either. But I don't see how this is related to "COMFETAR LIVE for OS/2".
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.04.26, 18:54:27
Which major company in the rapidly changing IT world in which we live in this day and age does not have a subsidiary in other countries
Sure, many companies do have foreign subsidiaries. Even though Guyana sounds a bit like what you use to circumvent local laws or taxes...
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.04.26, 18:54:27
How about finding out from Serenity Systems International what is the "General Availability" (GA) Date of eComStation 2.0 8)
How about orienting on companies that do it right rather than on the worst examples you can find. OTOH, AFAIK they did provide an estimated release date (which if course was "corrected" more than once).
Quoteone of the largest computer companies on the planet is yet to deliver on "Chicago"
???
Sigh, as you have been told before, that software company delivered "Chicago" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_95 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_95) almost 12 years ago...
Doesn't it make you ask yourself certain questions that "Comfetar Live" shows only 2 hits on google, both pointing to os2world.com?
Regards,
Herwig
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.04.27, 18:17:13
Well, in as much as this is a public forum and the domain is public at least it is believe we reserve the right to keep certain things "confidential"; so, it is a pity that we cannot provide any more information than we are currently able to do.
My personal opinion on that is:
Provide something real or shut up. Don't waste people's time with rumors, vague announcements or instructions on how to survive in the South American Jungle. If you are not allowed to talk about the project in a public forum, then simply don't talk about the project in a public forum. Don't reply to questions with other questions or strange links. At least I have no time to follow those, I got to program some OS/2 software... If you have something meaningful to say: go ahead and do so. If not (and I have not found any useful information about the product - besides it's name - in your posts) leave it.
Over and out.
Saborion,
you should not start from the viewpoint that everyone here is a spot-faced teenage noob, surfing on the hype of eComStation while we don't know what the history behind it is. And don't think that you're the saviour to a starving community that has merely deserved to be enchanted by your brilliance. That's not the case.
People don't become "important" because they scream at everyone "I'm more important than you!".
They become important because of their achievements. What have you achieved so far?
While most of us know each other for years (even if only "virtually") and we know each others achievements, no one here knows anything about you. No one has ever seen a program by you. No one here is making as much fuzz about as less as you do.
You do nothing but
- boring us with unrelated links to fuzzy articles
- statements about the importance of a piece of software which does not exist
- the importance of you
So please listen: Try to be a little humble. And a pocketful of dignity is not a sin, not to talk about (n)etiquette or how to approach people that you obviously don't know nothing about. Like in jungle: When there's a noise behind a bush, do you run at it, screaming? Or don't you first try to be quiet and see what's up, approaching very carefully if at all?
If case you don't know who "rudi" is... well, ehh... it doesn't make sense to tell you.
Just take for granted that he *has* done a lot for us and he *has* a working program.
And this is not some backdated ported crap but something top-notch, build from scratch with a high degree of technical skills involved.
Or to put it that way:
If you EVER manage to arrive at *his* level of expertise, free feel to call me... whatever you want.
Until then: Stop screaming at everyone here like we're dumb babboons.
The (os2)world has NOT been waiting for you to save us from despair.
And regarding COMFETAR LIVE for OS/2... you make me really loose patience.
You say the website will be ready when the program is ready.
So why did you put it up then? Why do you make such a noise about that stuff if there is nothing?
You will not raise expectation or demand. You will only make people turn their back on you this way.
In regards to some of your posts let me put clear that "the kimhavs of the (os2)world" will not come to your aid with the os2world foundation behind them, carrying trunkloads of dollar bills to get you software on track. You seem to lack any clue about who "os2world" is, who the people here are and perhaps you even have lost the idea of who YOU are... at least that's my impression looking at the way you are communicating here.
And to say one thing clear:
This thread was one of the last chances to make you stop spamming all the other ones. But you seem even unable to stick to you very own topic. Now, I don't expect you to say you're sorry, as it won't make any difference anymore either. I just expect you to stay ON-TOPIC and try to argument in your favor with facts instead of insults. You currently are being watched every move VERY closely and you ARE walking on a thin line... note well that before os2world will lose any one user because of you, I will certainly pull the emergency brake and lose YOU before instead. You're the n00b, not everyone else.
Regards,
Thomas
On behalf of the Entire OS/2 World Moderation Team
BTW: There is no responding to this post allowed and no discussion once for all.
I do not tolerate any wishy-washy on what I said.
I hope I made this one clear.
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QuoteI've seen too many announcements of great products that never materialized. And currently I see no indication that this product will do differently. But time will tell...
Hopefully, a better response to this will be available as we move closer to (among other issues) the General Availability Date of eComStation 2.0 now scheduled for 2009.
Thank you.
Regards.
Quote from: rudi on 2008.04.27, 11:11:27
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.04.26, 18:54:27
You seem to be in a rush, what's the hurry?
I've seen too many announcements of great products that never materialized. And currently I see no indication that this product will do differently. But time will tell...
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.04.26, 18:54:27
What if the company was intent on having it's web site supported on an Operating System that has not been enhanced in the last five to ten years?
Then I would stay silent until I have at least *something* to show to the public. Or add a page like "This is going to be the greatest software in the world. Currently it's not finished, but you will get this, this and that. Stay tuned !". Even if this page would have to be carried on an Operating System that was enhanced in last five to ten years.
Well, to further support rudi's statement, I for one can attest to the fact, that OS/2 (even non-updated versions such as WSeB CP2) can easily still handle (on extremely modest hardware like a quad 550MHz P3) over a half million requests a day - and not even notice it is doing something. How do I know this? All my servers are running either WSeB or eCS v1.2MR. The main server is the WSeB machine running on archaic hardware, which has garnered those stats without going over 10% CPU utilization per CPU. I've also, in the past, used WS4 Advanced and then WSeB on slower machines (PII 500, PIII 600, dual PIII 600) and matched or exceeded those stats.
Absolutely no enhancements are needed for OS/2 to be able to handle more traffic than even Slashdot can throw at it (I know, I've tried, suceeded in getting bombarded, failed in making the server so much as hiccup), or the vast amounts of traffic the Star Trek Phase 2 (http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/) website threw at it when we took over the site while their hosting provider was down (and due to that, we've got the contract to resume hosting the site as soon as the current contract is up).
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.startreknewvoyages.com
In two days, we handled a third of a million requests (screenshots elsewhere in the forum - on average 90 requests per minute - during busy times, over 200 a minute sustained) with no noticeable CPU usage above the box's normal "do nothing" state. That was on the WSeB box with the quad 550MHz CPUs. Much unlike the quad 2.8GHz Linux machine which constantly complains of going over it's CPU quota (hint, it and it's fan club, iftcommand.com are the only things on the linux box). (saborion2) Please provide a better reason why the website isnt up.
Regards,
Robert
PS: As a side note, the Windows 2000 box the site was previously on, was always experiencing downtime and being overloaded - that was when our site traffic was 1/10th of what it is now that it has been on the Linux box and our box. What we learned is that Linux makes Windows 2000 look like a dog - it so crushes it, it's not funny... and that WSeB, on 1/5 the hardware makes both of them (Windows, and even Linux - as good as it is) look like they aren't doing anything. When it comes to serving, lack of updates to OS/2 is not an excuse.
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In two days, we handled a third of a million requests (screenshots elsewhere in the forum - on average 90 requests per minute - during busy times, over 200 a minute sustained) with no noticeable CPU usage above the box's normal "do nothing" state. That was on the WSeB box with the quad 550MHz CPUs. Much unlike the quad 2.8GHz Linux machine which constantly complains of going over it's CPU quota (hint, it and it's fan club, iftcommand.com are the only things on the linux box). (saborion2) Please provide a better reason why the website isnt up.
Also,
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Hey I'm ...... and I administer ..... I noticed you're looking for help with.....
I just launched ........... and it allows you to setup your own site on my server. (for free)
Since you already have a domain, you're good to go.
There's lots of themes to choose from and there's video tutorials to get you familiar with using the stuff.
Here's an example of someone using my server.
...............
Well, from the above you may realize that we may be closer to the date for formal launch that you may want to believe; but, if the server cannot now support
IBM's Lotus Notes 8.0, IBM's Lotus Sametime 8.0, Lotus Symphony 1.0 et cetera, et cetera.....and higher then we may not wish to hear anything about it.
In time it will be up. And, we don't think that we necessarily have to wait on
eComStation 2.0.
Hence, our desires to play in the
most modernized applications' playing fields.
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In time it will be up. And, we don't think that we necessarily have to wait on eComStation 2.0.
Well then you're in agreement with Robert. If you read Robert's post, he pointed out that OS/2 (and eCS) are more then able to handle the job of running a web site -
right now - no need to wait for eCS 2.0 for that.
As for the Lotus stuff, that is more a matter of your own personal choice. Millions of websites worldwide run just fine without any need for Lotus products.
Otherwise, until something is actually up on the web (aside from in this forum) it is clear that you're talking about vaporware, Sab.
Furthermore if you really had all the financial backing of various banks and other companies that you claim, I highly doubt you'd be using a free server. But that's just my own observation.
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Microsoft launches Windows Azure
[......Microsoft first outlined a shift to "Live Services" at an event in San Francisco in 2005. The company has released a few things piecemeal, such as Live Mesh, but Monday's announcement marked the first real discussion of how Microsoft's disparate Internet strategies fit together....]
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10076004-75.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.0
Well, it looks like this "cloud computing" that Microsoft has been talking about can come in handy for
COMFETAR LIVE; and, may be worth giving a try. It will be interesting to know what is the direction of OS/2's-eCS' Development in this "cloud computing" business that companies have been pushing. 8)
If (1) COMFETAR LIVE existed, and (2) Lotus was bought from IBM by Microsoft, then I would see that as possible. But since neither is true, I dont see a relationship. MS's "Cloud Computing" crap (it really is, btw) is simply a method of trying to force people into a subscription model for their already extant software (Windows, Office and various other Live! technologies) - while tying it into their advertising model to help them generate more money via their advertising services by extending them into all aspects of people's daily computing (check the patents they have filed or been granted in the last couple years - as well as some of their own announcements regarding them).
Their "Cloud" initiative is nothing more than that - and is irrelevant in all other respects. At least from the technical standpoint I have seen so far. I am very sure they do not want to enable any service that allows users to switch to other technologies (Lotus stuff, for instance) when it would severely hurt the one market they actually make money in (Office... Windows only makes money when they ammortize a 5 year lifespan OS over 10-20 years).
Just my thoughts on it,
Robert
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QuoteIf (1) COMFETAR LIVE existed, and (2) Lotus was bought from IBM by Microsoft, then I would see that as possible. But since neither is true, I dont see a relationship. MS's "Cloud Computing" crap (it really is, btw) is simply a method of trying to force people into a subscription model....]
Well, to be honest with you COMFETAR is not directly dependent on either IBM or Microsoft; and, this is so once an FOSS World continue to exist and here we have the OpenOffice and the Linux products at one's disposal. Incidentally,
COMFETAR was conceptualize to mimic
COMFAR Quote
COMFAR - the Computer Model for Feasibility Analysis and Reporting
http://www.win2biz.com/comfar/default.htm
with the one of fundamental differences between
COMFAR and
COMFETAR while being explained/described being "stripped" from this site out of legal concern sometime ago; and, it is questionable how this can be so when no one ought to lay claim to an known "Procedure" and "Formula and Functionality" (ERR) to some.
Ah - then the issue is that, based on open source, it is still a threat to MS. Thus, you can feel free to re-read what I wrote with COMFETAR LIVE in that light. Another competing threat to MS's Office suite that I am sure they will ensure is "unsuited" to their cloud computing model.
Though... that doesnt mean it's not a good idea. OS/2 has been capable of the same thing for well over a decade. App serving and data serving through virtually any type of network. Wouldnt take much to make such a project suited to an OS/2 server.
Rob
And; the anticipation keep building..... ;)
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Hi,
the latest and full featured version of OpenOffice.org 3.0 is now
available through Ulteo.com using a web browser with a single click of
a mouse. No download or installation process of the productivity suite
is required. This new service by Ulteo offers many benefits for users
of the productivity suite, and is compatible with any operating system
that can run Firefox 2.0+ or Internet Explorer 6.0+.
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*Instant trial & collaboration*
Introduce OpenOffice.org 3.0 to others via email: invite them from
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the "Share" button and can give a personal tour of the program in
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read only or full edit mode, simply by clicking on a link in the
email.
Using Ulteo's service, users can exploit features of OpenOffice.org
which may be missing from their current desktop software. For example,
OpenOffice.org can read and write Microsoft Office files, and generate
.pdf format files without requiring any additional software.
OpenOffice.org also reads and writes documents in OpenDocument Format,
the ISO-approved standard for office documents, which can only be read
in Microsoft Office after installing a plug-in.
*This new service is provided by Ulteo*
Ulteo powers the online version of OpenOffice.org 3.0:
http://www.ulteo.com/home/ooo
The Ulteo Team. <http://www.ulteo.com/home/ooo>
This development can be awesome; and, as I have never tried to see if it does..... Does (Firefox 3.0.3 (Official) for OS/2) run well on OS/2?
Thanks.
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.10.28, 20:51:44
And; the anticipation keep building..... ;)
...
This development can be awesome; and, as I have never tried to see if it does..... Does (Firefox 3.0.3 (Official) for OS/2) run well on OS/2?
Thanks.
It seems to run fine for me. But it may only be part of the solution. While companies such as Google have embraced Javascript, etc for their online functionality, others have went with the newer version of Java and/or Flash - which are areas which are still lacking under OS/2.
Neither is a requirement - each method is a choice. Hence, gMail, Google Docs, and Yahoo Mail (including DnD support and such) work fine under OS/2 on FF2-FF3.
Robert
Hmmm....
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[...Google have embraced Javascript, etc for their online functionality, others have went with the newer version of Java and/or Flash - which are areas which are still lacking under OS/2...]
Now, here comes the hocus pocus...
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Images: Browser-based Office
Microsoft confirmed Tuesday that it will offer new versions of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint that can run from within a standard Web browser. The browser-based editing capabilities, which the company plans to show off here at the Professional Developers Conference, are being developed in conjunction with the next version of Office, known as Office 14.
This slide shows how the browser-based product, slated to be released next year in a beta version, will let you view a Word document within Internet Explorer. If you want to make changes, open within the Word application itself or click to edit within the browser.
http://news.cnet.com/2300-1012_3-6247288-1.html?tag=mncol
Almost quite sure that this will not run under OS/2.... at least not at this stage of the game perhaps. 8)
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.10.28, 22:03:16
Hmmm....
Re:
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[...Google have embraced Javascript, etc for their online functionality, others have went with the newer version of Java and/or Flash - which are areas which are still lacking under OS/2...]
Now, here comes the hocus pocus...
Quote
Images: Browser-based Office
Microsoft confirmed Tuesday that it will offer new versions of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint that can run from within a standard Web browser. The browser-based editing capabilities, which the company plans to show off here at the Professional Developers Conference, are being developed in conjunction with the next version of Office, known as Office 14.
This slide shows how the browser-based product, slated to be released next year in a beta version, will let you view a Word document within Internet Explorer. If you want to make changes, open within the Word application itself or click to edit within the browser.
http://news.cnet.com/2300-1012_3-6247288-1.html?tag=mncol
Almost quite sure that this will not run under OS/2.... at least not at this stage of the game perhaps. 8)
If, like all of their previous offerings, they follow their normal game plan, it will run on IE only, as implied in the portion "will let you view a Word document within Internet Explorer" - thus making it a Windows only solution, and following in the same path as I (and their recent patent and technology efforts) indicated below. Thus, OS/2 isn't the problem. A Windows/IE only solution is the problem - which all non-Windows systems are affected by.
Robert
Re:
Quote[....If, like all of their previous offerings, they follow their normal game plan, it will run on IE only, as implied in the portion "will let you view a Word document within Internet Explorer" - thus making it a Windows only solution....]
Well, in order to level the playing field (if this is desired to a certain extent)... then, won't the
onus be on OS/2 OEMs to get "whatever" they need to get in as must as OS/2 does not have to be exactly like Windows or Linux.... 8)
Re:
QuoteAs for the Lotus stuff, that is more a matter of your own personal choice. Millions of websites worldwide run just fine without any need for Lotus products.
Otherwise, until something is actually up on the web (aside from in this forum) it is clear that you're talking about vaporware
Well, it just does not make much sense to folks like me if one can get an Office Productivity Suite like IBM's Lotus Symphony for free in these tough economic times
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The New Economy Is Calling
[....First, IT spending in general is likely to come under heavy analysis, which usually happens in any longer-term economic downturn. This directly affects telecom spending across all markets, from large corporations to SMBs. We may see project holds on new deployments of wide-reaching technologies, such as continued TDM-to-IP migrations that haven't already been completed. This Hold/Maintain directive immediately relieves project spending for an indefinite amount of time, and reallocation of those resources can occur.
Second, for projects not already in progress, new deployments are now more likely to move in the direction of open source solutions than ever before. When organizations are faced with a constant demand for technological development, especially in the areas of telecom / convergence, they will want to maximize the feature/cost benefit to the fullest extent. When an equally, if not greater feature set can be delivered for 30% of the investment, it becomes an extremely serious consideration. Remember, organizations struggling financially STILL have to furnish the basic IT needs - these aren't services that can be cut or abstracted away....]
http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/34526?netht=rn_102808&nladname=102808dailynewspmal
Then, why spend your scarce IT $$$ on other similar solutions that you have to pay for?
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.10.28, 23:14:35
Re:
Quote[....If, like all of their previous offerings, they follow their normal game plan, it will run on IE only, as implied in the portion "will let you view a Word document within Internet Explorer" - thus making it a Windows only solution....]
Well, in order to level the playing field (if this is desired to a certain extent)... then, won't the onus be on OS/2 OEMs to get "whatever" they need to get in as must as OS/2 does not have to be exactly like Windows or Linux.... 8)
The impossibility of that (as he Linux and Mac communties can attest to) is that Microsoft will not open source IE, nor do a feature compatible (if any) port to any other operating system.
Besides, your attitude in this post contradicts your more recent post about the viability of choosing a free, open source alternative - which none of the Microsoft endeavors are, or will be.
Robert
IE was on Mac, and was feature compatible.
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[....Besides, your attitude in this post contradicts your more recent post about the viability of choosing a free, open source alternative - which none of the Microsoft endeavors are, or will be....]
Not really so; and, to the extent that
data portability, archiving...are preserved; then, the other over-arching requirements would be for those required for "
banking consumption..." and that is basically it.
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.10.29, 00:22:18
IE was on Mac, and was feature compatible.
Was.. and was... hence my statement stands. Until IE7 and IE8 work for the Mac - and in the same fashion they do for the PC/Windows world. ;)
I believe IE was dropped in favor of Firefox/Safari, no? And given all the bad press against IE7 (IE8 is proving to be much more interesting and desirable in terms of standards compliance etc) I hardly think anyone would want IE as a native feature-compatible product on any other platform. Hell, a lot of people don't even want it included on Windows (thanks in part to the inane Opera lawsuit).
/rant
Sorry, been one of those days :P
Hi "Saijin_Naib"; I always liked these spirited "technical" details that yourself, RobertM and others indulge in when it comes to certain topics and I am wondering at this time (while listening in on a TV Program with regards to serious issues affecting some small business here in the USA - going out of business......); and, assuming that applications that are now being talked about in this thread are to be implemented "today" - then, what are some of the other alternative choices to that of the dominant Windows/Internet Explorer one apart from those that can/would be supported by OS/2.
BTW, "Saijin_Naib" - hope that you are not becoming "battle fatigued". ;D
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Well then you're in agreement with Robert. If you read Robert's post, he pointed out that OS/2 (and eCS) are more then able to handle the job of running a web site - right now - no need to wait for eCS 2.0 for that.
Godammit "Fahrvenugen", Just when I thought that these may be OS/2 or Windows... this is the response I got.
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Hey.....,
I run Linux on my servers. CentOS to be exact.
Regards,
Well, having not done much with Linux it looks like it back to the class room/labs....