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Title: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: lazy on 2008.06.06, 11:24:55
http://www.os2world.com/content/view/18081/2/ (http://www.os2world.com/content/view/18081/2/)
QuotePosted by Martin Iturbide - Sunday, 01 June 2008


Unfortunatel. .. .

If I understood it right, there will be no new PmwFx'es so we've got the only browser for OS/2.
Title: Re: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: Ben on 2008.06.06, 21:27:09
Quote from: lazy on 2008.06.06, 11:24:55
If I understood it right, there will be no new PmwFx'es so we've got the only browser for OS/2.

I haven't heard that one floating around, but surely it's bad news. :-\

Who/what's the source?
Title: Re: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: DavidG on 2008.06.06, 21:58:56
Quote from: lazy on 2008.06.06, 11:24:55
http://www.os2world.com/content/view/18081/2/ (http://www.os2world.com/content/view/18081/2/)
QuotePosted by Martin Iturbide - Sunday, 01 June 2008


Unfortunatel. .. .

If I understood it right, there will be no new PmwFx'es so we've got the only browser for OS/2.

Martin

You are talking about Peter's builds.  Why don't you email him and ask him?

mozilla {at} Weilbacher {dot} org

David
Title: Re: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2008.06.07, 02:27:20
Quote from: David Graser on 2008.06.06, 21:58:56
Quote from: lazy on 2008.06.06, 11:24:55
http://www.os2world.com/content/view/18081/2/ (http://www.os2world.com/content/view/18081/2/)
QuotePosted by Martin Iturbide - Sunday, 01 June 2008


Unfortunatel. .. .

If I understood it right, there will be no new PmwFx'es so we've got the only browser for OS/2.

Martin

You are talking about Peter's builds.  Why don't you email him and ask him?

mozilla {at} Weilbacher {dot} org

David

I sent him an e-mail about an OS/2-eCS version of Firefox 3.0.
Title: Re: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2008.06.10, 02:51:56
I received a reply from the porter of it to OS/2-eCS. He said there is one. I will give the pre-test one a try.  ;D
Title: Re: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2008.06.11, 02:52:55
"Yes, sure there will be an OS/2 version. It will even contain all of the
enhancements that I shipped with my PmW-* releases (except MNG). If
you want
to test a pre-release, please take a look at the latest nightly:
   
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/contrib/latest-trunk/ (http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/contrib/latest-trunk/)


The biggest problem is:
- Instead of crashing when printing, as a workaround, we now always print
to a PDF file (by default on the Desktop). It should then be possible
to print that using GSview, Lucide, or Acrobat. (I still hope that we
can fix that problem for real for one of the Firefox 3.0.x releases.)

Best wishes,
Peter.
"
I received permission to post this. I like using FireFox.
Title: Re: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: lazy on 2008.06.12, 12:34:30
I've always using Pmw-Fx branch of FireFox so Peter's answer about cancelling this branch is very sad for me :(
Title: Re: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: RobertM on 2008.06.12, 14:07:26
I dunno... it sounds almost like he has contributed his efforts towards the main OS/2 build and is assisting with it... read the email again and tell me what you think. Specifically these parts (emphasis mine):


"Yes, sure there will be an OS/2 version. It will even contain all of the
enhancements that I shipped with my PmW-* releases (except MNG)
. If
you want
to test a pre-release, please take a look at the latest nightly:
   
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/contrib/latest-trunk/


The biggest problem is:
- Instead of crashing when printing, as a workaround, we now always print
to a PDF file (by default on the Desktop)
. It should then be possible
to print that using GSview, Lucide, or Acrobat. (I still hope that we
can fix that problem
for real for one of the Firefox 3.0.x releases.)

Best wishes,
Peter.
"

I've been up for a day straight getting ready to go on a trip... so I could definitely be misreading/misinterpreting the meaning though.

Title: Re: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: ivan on 2008.06.13, 00:47:47
I have tried the various versions of ff3 and rejected them for one simple reason - everything  in the menus and bookmarks is double spaced!!
If anyone knows a way round this I would like them to share it.

Other than that It appears reasonable but much of the vaunted advantages appear to rely on parts OS/2 does not have i.e flash etc.

Title: Re: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: The Blue Warper on 2008.06.13, 02:29:54
Quote from: ivan on 2008.06.13, 00:47:47
I have tried the various versions of ff3 and rejected them for one simple reason - everything  in the menus and bookmarks is double spaced!!
If anyone knows a way round this I would like them to share it.

Try to change the default font.  This is from the FF3b5 readme:

«Firefox cannot make use of OS/2 fonts like WarpSans and others which are not available in Type1 or TrueType format. It is therefore recommended to install the "Workplace Sans" font from
http://www.cs-club.org/~alex/creative/fonts/
or
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/cgi-bin/h-search?key=wpsu_ttf
which Firefox will use as a replacement of WarpSans.»

I hope this solves your issue.
Title: Re: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: Carlo_Warp on 2008.06.13, 15:05:31
I confirm the same problem: the space between bookmarks is too big. When I click on the bookmarks menu, the menu itself is not contained in the page and I have to scroll down. It doesn't happen with PW Firefox, which I am using now.

Quote from: ivan on 2008.06.13, 00:47:47
I have tried the various versions of ff3 and rejected them for one simple reason - everything  in the menus and bookmarks is double spaced!!
If anyone knows a way round this I would like them to share it.

Other than that It appears reasonable but much of the vaunted advantages appear to rely on parts OS/2 does not have i.e flash etc.


Title: Re: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2008.06.16, 00:34:32
"
Btw, saw the thread on os2world.com, but lost my login some time ago.

Just to clarify: Even for the official Gecko 1.8.x releases (SeaMonkey 1.1.x,
Firefox and Thunderbird 2.0.0.x) I was already one of the main contributors.
For the Gecko 1.9 release (i.e. Firefox 3.0) I am the main developer of the
OS/2 backend (this was previously called the "port owner" and was done by Mike
Kaply in the past). Releasing a separate PmW-* version wouldn't really make
sense any more.

As explained before, I am not yet completely happy with the functionality,
which is partly because only very few users wanted to test the new version
up to now, so many bugs are discovered only now. But this has nothing to do
with not publishing a separate PmW-* edition.

Feel free to forward this to the forum or whatever...
   Peter.
"
Posted with permission from the sender.
Title: Re: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: Carlo_Warp on 2008.06.16, 11:11:02
He said "Only few users wanted to test the new version up to now". Users should give better feedback about the tested products, shouldn't they? And Pw Firefox is a nice browser.
Title: Re: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: jep on 2008.06.16, 17:47:57
Hello,

and that has to be done in the mozilla bugtracker?


//Jan-Erik
__________
Please develop ONE wheel, once, not a million wheels a million times.
Title: Re: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: Saijin_Naib on 2008.06.16, 21:24:29
I never had any issue with the PWM Firefox that I felt was necessary to report. Just the usual crap with FLASH 7 instability, IFE instability, and yeah, thats all. Nothing I felt he needed to hear because they aren't his issues to fix.
Title: Re: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: lazy on 2008.06.18, 00:21:48
FireFox 3.0 is out, when do we wait OS/2 vesrion?
Title: Re: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: Saijin_Naib on 2008.06.18, 04:28:10
Never wait, go get it yourself! :)
http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0/contrib/firefox-3.0.en-US.os2.zip
Title: Re: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: melf on 2008.06.19, 11:22:30
My preliminary impressions of FF3.0:

* I only have SNAP vesa support on my graphic card and therefor use Panorama which speeds up things quite a lot, eg scrolling in FF. Now when using FF3.0 its like backing some steps again. It's like it demands more of my graphics.

* FF3 also seems to consume more memory compared to FF2.0.0.14, if I look at the "RAM widget". That indicates nearly double memory use. I don't know the relevance of this as I've understood from earlier discussions that measuring used RAM could be a tricky thing.

* According to same "RAM widget" FF2.0.0.14 gives me back as much memory as FF3 does when closing down.

For the moment I'm going back to FF 2.0.0.14 to get the smooth scrolling back.
Title: Re: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: lewhoo on 2008.06.19, 12:57:57
I've found one serious issue concerning ff 3 on OS/2. When it is idle in the background, from time to time it causes a cpu usage "peak", so short that it is not registered by XCenter widget. However, it stops z! playing for this short moment, same with TVShow/2 tv app, or when I'm playing an audio from a flash site, it starts to have hiccup.

Not sure if this is really a CPU peak, but I cannot find other interpretation. I think it's quite serious, for it forbids normal multimedia running when ff 3 is on.
Title: Re: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: cytan on 2008.06.19, 16:03:11
Just out of curiousity, does it use high memory like PmW-Fx does? I've had good success with PmW-Fx which does not eat up shared memory compared to the normal FF release.

cytan
Title: Re: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: The Blue Warper on 2008.06.20, 04:23:04
Quote from: lewhoo on 2008.06.19, 12:57:57
I've found one serious issue concerning ff 3 on OS/2. When it is idle in the background, from time to time it causes a cpu usage "peak", so short that it is not registered by XCenter widget. However, it stops z! playing for this short moment, same with TVShow/2 tv app, or when I'm playing an audio from a flash site, it starts to have hiccup.

Not sure if this is really a CPU peak, but I cannot find other interpretation. I think it's quite serious, for it forbids normal multimedia running when ff 3 is on.

Hi!
Not sure if this applies to you, but the following suggestion has been in the Mozilla/Firefox/SeaMonkey readmes for a long time:

«
Other important environment variables
[...]

- set NSPR_OS2_NO_HIRES_TIMER=1
  This causes Firefox not to use OS/2's high resolution timer. Set this if
  other applications using the high resolution timer (multimedia apps) act
  strangely.
»

Is this perhaps your case?

Regards
Title: Re: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: lewhoo on 2008.06.20, 12:24:48
Perheps. Thanks! I have to try that. I've read the readme, but as I had no such problems with ff2, I simply forgot the issue. Hope this is it.
Title: Re: Firefox 3.0 RC2 News
Post by: The Blue Warper on 2008.07.05, 13:25:05
Hi all!

With regard to the reason "Why there will be no PmW-Fx 3.x", Peter Weilbacher (the builder of PmW- 'enhanced' Mozilla branch) has a statement about that here:

http://pmw-warpzilla.sourceforge.net/no_PmW-Fx3.html

Basically, there will be no PmW-Fx 3.x because the current Firefox3 (and SeaMonkey and Thunderbird) OS/2 port is almost entirely based on his 'enhanced' branch and he's going to be the leading builder for future 'official' versions too.

To Peter:
I'd like to thank you for all your efforts in making such apps available to all of us!  I've been using your 'enhanced' versions for years (lost track of it, but since FF 1.x version for sure), though I never sent you a report about my experience, sorry (basically because, quoting Saijin_Naib, "I never had any issue with the PWM Firefox that I felt was necessary to report").
Thanks to Mike Kaply too, who made and maintained for years the official Mozilla branch!