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Title: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: miturbide on 2010.04.12, 23:35:01
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QuotePosted by Martin Iturbide - Monday, 12 April 2010


I found thi. .. .

I had read the article and I consider it very unlikely to happen.


If IBM wanted to take another run at Microsoft on the desktop--and believe it, there are still people hurting from the last go-round--this could be one way to make Linux more user friendly Basanta reasoned.

Sound nice..but wait... WPS is not open source, Linux users will not use it.

"Look, I'm sure someone at IBM is fighting this old battle. ... Someone who wants and hopes this will happen. The question is whether that person has the power to make it happen? I doubt it," he said.

..uhm...

If IBM has some interest on OS/2 I think it will not be to charge again against MS on a PC OS war. It will be more interest to try to embedded it to other hardware devices.
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: RobertM on 2010.04.13, 00:05:24
Quote from: miturbide on 2010.04.12, 23:35:01

..uhm...

If IBM has some interest on OS/2 I think it will not be to charge again against MS on a PC OS war. It will be more interest to try to embedded it to other hardware devices.


Which they did a great job at a while back with set-top internet boxes to compete with WebTV's rather horrendous appliance. Sadly, TV based internet was doomed to fail anyway.



This part seems familiar:
QuoteAccording to the integrator, IBM's nascent plan is to repurpose OS/2 "services" atop a Linux core.

The obvious question is why? And the answer is despite Windows' spanking, IBM shops still run quite a bit of OS/2 -- not that they've advertised that fact. In theory these companies can drop this Linux-OS/2 amalgam in to replace aging installations with minimal disruption.
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: Fahrvenugen on 2010.04.13, 00:32:12
It could be a few things.

I could see IBM possibly looking at what it would take to get the API running on Linux.  As we know, there are still some rather large hold outs running OS/2 - if IBM could offer them a Linux system where their OS/2 apps would run, I could see this as very attractive.  The question is, how much of that API dates back from the Microsoft days and has MS code in it?

The WPS has also been mentioned.  Admittedly I'd love to see it on Linux, but who knows if that would ever happen, I could be wrong but I'm guessing there might be issues with licensing / microsoft.  Recall that WPS requires Presentation Manager and SOM (as I recall, WPS is essentially a SOM object).  While there are already *nix versions of SOM (IBM ported it to AIX years ago), PM was (again if my history is correct) done mostly by Microsoft.

Of course if there is any amount of  truth to this article (which I have my doubts) it is possible that the PowerPC version/code is being looked at.  From what I've read most of that code is all IBM, however I've also read that some of that code was just re-compiled with the PPC as the target platform. 

While I'd love to see a Linux - OS/2 combination, somehow I have my doubts that there's anything to be taken too seriously from this article.
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: RobertM on 2010.04.13, 01:07:48
Quote from: Fahrvenugen on 2010.04.13, 00:32:12
It could be a few things.

I could see IBM possibly looking at what it would take to get the API running on Linux.  As we know, there are still some rather large hold outs running OS/2

PepsiCo being one of them....  ;D

Who, btw, wants a Linux solution with as much compatibility with their current OS/2 setup as possible.
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: Saijin_Naib on 2010.04.13, 01:58:38
OS/2 apps + Linux Hardware Support + Linux Apps + WINE = What isn't to like?
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: RobertM on 2010.04.13, 02:45:39
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2010.04.13, 01:58:38
OS/2 apps + Linux Hardware Support + Linux Apps + WINE = What isn't to like?

LoL, if the motivation is coming from where I suspect it is, then I doubt WINE will be any more than it currently is. Doubt it will be a priority.
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: Saijin_Naib on 2010.04.13, 03:59:41
It doesn't have to be any more than it is, it works pretty well for most of the apps I've run on my netbook. Not nearly 100%, but it does allow me to at least open Steam and play some simple games and work with some productivity software I need/use.
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: Blonde Guy on 2010.04.13, 04:12:26
Quote from: RobertM on 2010.04.13, 01:07:48

PepsiCo being one of them....  ;D

Who, btw, wants a Linux solution with as much compatibility with their current OS/2 setup as possible.

1. Find 5 or 10 large organizations that have refused to move on from OS/2
2. Refactor OS/2 into something that would run, at least on some modern hardware?
3. Profit

Wait, that's Serenity's/Mensys's plan.

Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: Saijin_Naib on 2010.04.13, 04:59:11
^ It may be their plan, but do we know if they have actually gotten the companies on board, or is the large part of their clientbase end users?
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: RobertM on 2010.04.13, 06:22:49
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2010.04.13, 04:59:11
^ It may be their plan, but do we know if they have actually gotten the companies on board, or is the large part of their clientbase end users?

Good question...  ;D  ;)
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: sXwamp on 2010.04.13, 07:23:19
QuoteSound nice..but wait... WPS is not open source, Linux users will not use it.

It's all about branding, think Apple and FreeBSD or when Novell layered NetWare services atop Linux to create its Open Enterprise Server   =  OS/2 WPS (re-branded name) and Linux.   Who cares about Linux users - no profit, IBM would get an established operating system for free with an IBM branded name for big businesses. IBM received 1 billion dollars from MS after the OS/2-WIN settlement.   If IBM wanted to bring back OS/2 on Linux it could, however it won't be for Linux users. It will be all about profit and always will be about profit.

I started to write an article about WPS and Linux however, I think that it is a very long shot to see this happen. :(



Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: Fahrvenugen on 2010.04.13, 08:31:27
Quote from: sXwamp on 2010.04.13, 07:23:19
QuoteSound nice..but wait... WPS is not open source, Linux users will not use it.

It's all about branding, think Apple and FreeBSD or when Novell layered NetWare services atop Linux to create its Open Enterprise Server   =  OS/2 WPS (re-branded name) and Linux.   Who cares about Linux users - no profit, IBM would get an established operating system for free with an IBM branded name for big businesses. IBM received 1 billion dollars from MS after the OS/2-WIN settlement.   If IBM wanted to bring back OS/2 on Linux it could, however it won't be for Linux users. It will be all about profit and always will be about profit.

The thing is - it isn't as easy as suggested, mainly due to Linux being licensed under the GPL V2.  If IBM wanted to get the OS/2 api running under Linux, I'm sure from a technical standpoint it could be done.  But if IBM wanted to release a particular build of Linux that allowed for the OS/2 API to run on it, if there is any type of integration into the OS then they'd possibly be bound to release that code under the GPL.


Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: chennecke on 2010.04.13, 12:39:00
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2010.04.13, 04:59:11
^ It may be their plan, but do we know if they have actually gotten the companies on board, or is the large part of their clientbase end users?

I can tell you the following: So far 2009 has been the best year in sales to enterprise customers for Mensys. That's an official statement Mensys made in a letter to OS/2 and eCS customers sent out a few days ago.
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: warpcafe on 2010.04.13, 13:29:24
Harhar,

...when I put 2 and 2 together, I can almost smell the presence of IBM scavengers here:
Would the following be a possible scenario?
- IBM didn't want to invest into OS/2 maintenance any longer so they stopped it
- Serenity/Mensys jumped on the train, invested into eCS
( -> now we have an OS/2 that installs on modern hardware (more or less, but anyway...) )
- and _NOW_ IBM sees the amount of corporate licenses sold
- All these companies that didn't want to move from OS/2 but simply needed a version to install on modern hardware...

Now, the big wakeup at Armonk happens:
- IBM gets aware that there are companies that need the "new OS/2" because they still RUN OS/2 but todays hardware is changed
- IBM suddenly realizes that they actually HAVE such a new OS/2 (thanks to Mensys and Serenity)
- Now IBM thinks "heck. We have something ready and there is demand... why not make money of it?"
-> IBM "takes back" eCS, maintenance is delivered by Serenity/Mensys
-> IBM sells the product (and support contracts) to corp users
-> Mensys/Serenity are generously allowed to serve the end-user market

Does that make sense?

In the long run, IBM could also simply wait until things have matured into a feasible replacement of the OS/2 kernel by L4 or Linux... and again sell this as the next OS/2 to companies who want to stay with OS/2 but need support for whatever will be hot then... Terabyte RAM and bootable whatever-latest-architecture storage devices... simply because:
- The get hardware support developed for free by the Linux community
- They can sell to their existing customer base (more or less for free...)
- They can stay in contact with corp customers and may be able to persuade them into new hardware and services
  (even if that leads to kill the OS/2 instances there... who cares, as long as there's a profit...)

Still, I have to agree that it would take the RIGHT people within IBM to walk the walk.
This means the RIGHT tech knowledge stakeholders, marketing people and above all this: The people who have the power to decide.
And frankly, I can imagine a trunkload of reasons why this would never happen. Funny enough though, I can also think of the possibility that the generation of people inside IBM has changed by now ...and that there are indeed reasons why it could happen.

What do you think?
Cheers, Thomas
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: lewhoo on 2010.04.13, 14:20:01
While any OS/2 is better than no OS/2, thinking on OS/2 atop linux is a very sad thought. We than derive most of the problems of the system, which, in it's very base was never intended for an end-user, has an archaic kernel (although I am far from being specialist, this kernel seems to be much more archaic than old, OS/2 kernel) and is developed in means of walk-arounds instead of rewrites, where it seems necessary. I even don't want to mention problems with installing and maintaining software on linux, the mess with the file system structure etc., which, at least for me are superior on OS/2. For me, OS/2 is not only WPS, as some of people like to claim.
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: lpino on 2010.04.13, 17:39:42
Quote from: lewhoo on 2010.04.13, 14:20:01
While any OS/2 is better than no OS/2, thinking on OS/2 atop linux is a very sad thought. We than derive most of the problems of the system, which, in it's very base was never intended for an end-user, has an archaic kernel (although I am far from being specialist, this kernel seems to be much more archaic than old, OS/2 kernel) and is developed in means of walk-arounds instead of rewrites, where it seems necessary. I even don't want to mention problems with installing and maintaining software on linux, the mess with the file system structure etc., which, at least for me are superior on OS/2. For me, OS/2 is not only WPS, as some of people like to claim.
Amen to that. The sole idea of having an OS/2 running on top of Linux makes me sick. Not that I don't like Linux, but OS/2 it's based on different principles and Linux is for Linux users, OS/2 is for us.
I can picture an scenario were if the port of os/2 to L4 were more matured, the platform would seem like an oppotunity to bring back OS/2, but that's not the case.
We should go on with our support and leave the politics to others.

Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: Mike on 2010.04.14, 00:58:59
OS/2 on top of whatever kind of linux is useless, when they want to just run old stuff they can put it inside a vm, thats for ibm. Nobody from linux wants any components or src from OS/2, they have already tons on stuff and we know ibm won't touch any old code, they haven't made and they won't. I think IBM news related to Warp haven't been much pleasure for us in the last years  ;)
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: RobertM on 2010.04.14, 01:33:04
Sorry, I disagree with a lot of this (but then again, I also have knowledge of at least a small portion of what's going on here).

Quote from: Mike on 2010.04.14, 00:58:59
OS/2 on top of whatever kind of linux is useless, when they want to just run old stuff they can put it inside a vm,


Not true at all. Do you have any idea of how many specialized devices run OS/2 and will not work by simply dumping OS/2 into a VM?

Quote from: Mike on 2010.04.14, 00:58:59Nobody from linux wants any components or src from OS/2,

JFS? Some of the kernel improvements that were donated by IBM? Yep. Guess they didnt want that stuff. I am sure they wanted to stick with the original pthreads implementation.

Quote from: Mike on 2010.04.14, 00:58:59they have already tons on stuff and we know ibm won't touch any old code, they haven't made

Not true. JFS is a big example. There are others (Lotus Symphony for one big example). Get an IBM DW account and check out smaller examples.

Quote from: Mike on 2010.04.14, 00:58:59
I think IBM news related to Warp haven't been much pleasure for us in the last years  ;)

Perhaps... but... there is something going on. Heck, I even tried getting the ball rolling on this for a large company that wanted to slowly migrate off OS/2 to (mostly) Linux with as much backwards compatibility as possible.
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: Fahrvenugen on 2010.04.14, 02:59:51
Quote from: RobertM on 2010.04.14, 01:33:04

JFS? Some of the kernel improvements that were donated by IBM? Yep. Guess they didnt want that stuff. I am sure they wanted to stick with the original pthreads implementation.


The version of JFS that they open-sourced for Linux was the JFS that they re-wrote from scratch for OS/2 WsEB.  The one unfortunate thing is they pulled the OS/2 specific stuff out of it before they open sourced it.

I know that there is a large group of Linux users that wants IBM to open source both SOM and the IBM implementation of OpenDoc.

Personally I'd love to see OS/2 put on a Linux kernel.  And while this might not be the most pleasing thought to everyone, my suggestion is to think of how we've already benefited from the Linux world.  The Uniaudio driver pulls a lot from ALSA (if my understanding is correct).  A variety of file systems have been ported from Linux to OS/2.  Paul's OS/2 port of GCC - which is the compiler of choice within the Linux world, has allowed apps such as Apache, MySQL, PostgreSQL, PHP, Perl, Lame, Scribus, Firefox, and many others to run on OS/2, thus extending the life of the operating system.  Although it hasn't been updated in a while, ODIN has used sources from Wine to allow some Win32 apps to run. 

The reality is - in order to get the OS/2 API to run under Linux (outside of a virtual environment that is) one of 2 things will need to happen.  Either the API will need to be re-written from scratch or the owner of the code (IBM) will have to make the decision to port it.  I don't see anyone taking the time to write from scratch, so if it is going to happen I suspect it'll have to be IBM.




Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: lewhoo on 2010.04.14, 11:17:47
Quote from: Fahrvenugen on 2010.04.14, 02:59:51

Personally I'd love to see OS/2 put on a Linux kernel. 

And the big question is - what do you mean by that? You can just try to port some of the OS/2 components to run on linux. Even the PMShell itself ported somehow to be a part of Xfree would have to change much - perhaps we finally would have a nice ssh gui forwading. And, what is in fact conected with this fact, a much slower gui.

I completely agree, that we benifit much from the linux software. But, please keep in mind, that we benifit much from it, because... there is no other software to benifit from. If windows software was open-source and easy to port, we would benifit from windows software. And linux software is far from being perfect - event the compiler, gcc, as an archaic make system (yes, I know make is a separate part :) ), much slower than 10 years older IBM VAC++ make system. And I have a feeling, perhaps that is just a feeling, that OS/2 software in it's golden age was much better written and in many cases just much better than linux software is. Even in the age of "linux for enduser".

The reason that I'm mentioning those facts is that even something_partly_derived_from_OS/2 is better than no OS/2. But further development of OS/4 kernel or OSfree kernel could be a much better situation than getting into an archaic linux swamp, with developers that still thinkg that 1 km long config file and 300 command line switches is "flexibility".
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: lwriemen on 2010.04.14, 14:41:36
Considering the options, it might be easier for IBM to release a "clean" open source version of OS/2, than to port the API to Linux. This might also be a better way to keep binary compatibility with existing applications. OTOH, I might be wrong, as I don't have a list of what would need to be removed or added.
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: RobertM on 2010.04.14, 19:31:08
Quote from: lwriemen on 2010.04.14, 14:41:36
Considering the options, it might be easier for IBM to release a "clean" open source version of OS/2, than to port the API to Linux. This might also be a better way to keep binary compatibility with existing applications. OTOH, I might be wrong, as I don't have a list of what would need to be removed or added.


And they can start with the PPC implementation and work forwards...
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: ModZilla on 2010.04.15, 21:06:27
Ok, this n that, OS2 is really one great OS, I didn't read the article and probubly should have before I spout off here, but I remember when there was some guy running a website for Art Bell on a 200Mhz machine, I forget the server branding, XserV perhaps by ImatiX? Anyway, my point is a long time has passed and we need to rethink the whole idea of hardware, memory and data storage and transfer as machines are approaching 10+ gigs of RAM, I use the eServer by IBM(scrapped the M20 QUAD) and there is no way, NO WAY OS2 could handle the size of its storage no matter what flavour it is 'ported' to... WE NEED a new OS, one that runs like CHroMiUM w/o Platters and is completely portable as well as scalable for the nxt feature set and genearation of home computers, not appliances but boxes, set top or not, that run on your wrist watch and beam you up when its time to, ah well split Scotty...repalications of 8bit buses and goofey thrills which purport to do everything while they are easily corrupted while online are just a waste of precious time, resources and moolah :'(
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: Mike on 2010.04.15, 23:52:13
JFS for OS/2 with some modifications came from AIX and this code presented to Linux hasn't
much in common with the OS/2 JFS code. Lotus Symphony is mostly OpenOffice with some ibm additions,
and OpenOffice wasn't an idea of IBM, but instead they killed their own Smartsuite.
After the final roadmap for OS/2 IBM had some docs how to start with 'porting' OS/2 apps to linux,
they also had a library for it. Why they now should put again time and money on this
transition after a long time? IBM forgot about OS/2, they will have a big headache
to find all parts and code to work on it :)
We have luck to benefit from open source linux stuff, we select the nice good working things for us but in return linux needs OS/2 code? IBM is working on linux and other projects won't have the
need for old rusty code, they maybe will be frightened to look at this code at all.
OS/2 on top of linux and not in a vm will end up in a window manager theme
with a compatibility lib like rosetta. IBM can support SSI/Mensys, then
all these legacy apps can still run on a newer refreshed Version of OS/2 aka eCS.

Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: RobertM on 2010.04.16, 00:59:57
Quote from: Mike on 2010.04.15, 23:52:13
JFS for OS/2 with some modifications came from AIX and this code presented to Linux hasn't
much in common with the OS/2 JFS code.

Hmmm... what I heard was JFS for OS/2 started out based on JFS for AIX, with a number of modification. That was then later "ported back to" AIX as JFS2 (or more accurately probably, features in "JFS/2" were added to JFS2 (no slash) for AIX). JFS for OS/2 was then ported to Linux sans OS/2 specific code. But, what would IBM (who made such claims) know of that?

Quote from: Mike on 2010.04.15, 23:52:13
Lotus Symphony is mostly OpenOffice with some ibm additions,
and OpenOffice wasn't an idea of IBM, but instead they killed their own Smartsuite.

Exactly my point. Someone said (below) that IBM would not work on others' code... thus I mentioned Symphony, which proves that statement wrong.

Quote from: Mike on 2010.04.15, 23:52:13
After the final roadmap for OS/2 IBM had some docs how to start with 'porting' OS/2 apps to linux,
they also had a library for it. Why they now should put again time and money on this
transition after a long time?

Because a LOT of big companies (I named one that I happen to be familiar with) still have large OS/2 installations that the world does not even know exists, and want a working solution with the easiest migration path, and requiring the smallest support headache.

Keep in mind, when OS/2 was largely used in banking and the insurance industries, it was not uncommon to have next to no one doing support - unlike the current situation in banking where a massive team is needed to support the infrastructure. Again, that is from first hand experience (I was on one of the IBM teams bidding on Bank of America's support contract - a different IBM team won - one thing in common was that neither support contract required more than a small handful of people to support the entire eastern seaboard).

So... why would IBM have interest now in continuing support for OS/2 in such a fashion? Hmmm... maybe because it's what many big clients want. I for one would prefer dumping a bit more money into a solution now, that will bring me a similar level of inexpensive (in comparison to the alternatives) support - in addition to not requiring all our software to be re-written because it will simply run on the new version of OS/2. That also gives the software vendors as much time as they want to migrate to a Linux based solution - or not migrate at all.

Quote from: Mike on 2010.04.15, 23:52:13
IBM forgot about OS/2, they will have a big headache
to find all parts and code to work on it :)

That's speculation. So, here's my speculation.
I suspect that not as much is lost as is thought. I suspect it has "disappeared" but may be locatable. This seems to always be the case when some big client requests a fix, update or added functionality for any component of OS/2 for the last 10-15 years. Suddenly, someone at IBM "finds" the code, and the required update is created.

Quote from: Mike on 2010.04.15, 23:52:13
We have luck to benefit from open source linux stuff, we select the nice good working things for us but in return linux needs OS/2 code? IBM is working on linux and other projects won't have the need for old rusty code, they maybe will be frightened to look at this code at all.

Let me know when it's threading model is as good as OS/2's. Sure, OS/2's isnt perfect either - but it is better. Let me know when it's shell is as good as WPS.

Both Linux and OS/2 can benefit from each other.

And finally, on that note, keep in mind that OS/2 needed nothing from Linux. There isn't a single thing that OS/2 has gained from Linux that could not have been simply written from scratch - and possibly in better fashion (like the video stuff).

OK... that means there is ONE thing OS/2 has benefited from. The EASE of creating such functionality by "simply" porting stuff instead of writing it from scratch. So, while we've gained a lot in functionality due to that (mPlayer, Apache, etc), we have lost a bunch of functionality (native codecs, etc that would enable EVERY native app to use the functionality) that writing from scratch would allow.

Quote from: Mike on 2010.04.15, 23:52:13
OS/2 on top of linux and not in a vm will end up in a window manager theme with a compatibility lib like rosetta.

Why would it go entirely that route? PM and the WPS can work very nicely on a different kernel. We already know that from the PPC version.

Quote from: Mike on 2010.04.15, 23:52:13
IBM can support SSI/Mensys, then all these legacy apps can still run on a newer refreshed Version of OS/2 aka eCS.

They could... but that would require writing a new kernel and an entirely new driver set to get rid of all the 16bit code to enable stepping into the newer 64/32bit world and away from the current 32/16bit world.

Keep in mind, PCs for the most part, work in two modes: 32/16bit mode (the one OS/2 uses) and 64/32bit mode (the one that 64bit OS's use).

Best,
Robert
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2010.04.16, 04:04:10
It would be neat to see a newer version of OS/2 by IBM; even if they are just doing to irk Microsoft for all the FUD they had for the os. It would have been neat if they money IBM won from Microsoft was used to develope OS/2 even further. Perhaps call it Warp 7?  ::)
8)
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: lwriemen on 2010.04.16, 17:18:53
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2010.04.16, 04:04:10
Perhaps call it Warp 7?  ::)
8)
Warp 7 might be pushing the limits of what the enterprise can handle.  :D She canna take this much longer Captain!
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: warpcafe on 2010.04.16, 17:30:19
Quote from: lwriemen on 2010.04.16, 17:18:53
Warp 7 might be pushing the limits of what the enterprise can handle.  :D She canna take this much longer Captain!

... I don't recall exactly, but at some Warp speed level, we'll start traveling back in time!! (Wait. Is it that what we want? :) )
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: ModZilla on 2010.04.16, 18:28:00
IT IS POINTLEsS, to travel back in time when time is relative, it may be better to have been there and have done as apposed to having to move backwards to keep doing the same old thing over and over again against MS, let's face 8) it IBM lost MS won, that is regrettable. Barb D. mentioned that no IBM software people had any comment, gee, I wonder who they were? I worked for IBM for awhile and they are unique in that if you do not follow the Buck Rogers marketing path, YOU ARE HISTORY. That was 30+ yrs. ago but that path was adopted by the founder and from my inside sources today, this ain't changed much except that they will eventually get  even, NOT MAD. Sorry Bill but someday you will have to face the facts, when you speed and fail to pay your speeding tickets, you will have to balance the scales. This is a forte Bill practiced often, not paying up that is. With Chromium HE WILL, IBM ReDuX of OS2/whatever, notwithstanding...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh maty!  :-\
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: miturbide on 2010.04.16, 19:59:01
Guys, since at 24th Century the scale will change and place warp 10 as a theoretical maximum. So Warp 7 is possible with that scale.

"By the time the Galaxy-class starship was being designed in the 2360s, warp technology had progressed to the point where speeds of warp 9.6 could be sustained for up to twelve hours, although warp 9.2 was considered the "red line". (TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint") "

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Warp_speed (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Warp_speed)
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: RobertM on 2010.04.16, 23:37:53
Quote from: miturbide on 2010.04.16, 19:59:01
Guys, since at 24th Century the scale will change and place warp 10 as a theoretical maximum. So Warp 7 is possible with that scale.

"By the time the Galaxy-class starship was being designed in the 2360s, warp technology had progressed to the point where speeds of warp 9.6 could be sustained for up to twelve hours, although warp 9.2 was considered the "red line". (TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint") "

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Warp_speed (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Warp_speed)

Martin,

You are such a geek!!!

Oh wait... nevermind, I cant say anything... I'm even worse. LoL!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: cyber on 2010.04.19, 11:22:20
And I use same OS as You people...  ;D
Title: Could OS/2 come back from the grave?
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2010.04.20, 15:24:18
http://blogs.computerworld.com/15960/could_os_2_come_back_from_the_grave?source=CTWNLE_nlt_pm_2010-04-19 (http://blogs.computerworld.com/15960/could_os_2_come_back_from_the_grave?source=CTWNLE_nlt_pm_2010-04-19)
There are some comments for and against OS/2 Warp. I added a couple of my own.  8) It would have been nice if they had mentioned eComStation (I did in a couple of the replies/posts).  ;D
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: miturbide on 2010.04.20, 20:11:14
You are also welcome to post comments on OSNews.
http://www.osnews.com/comments/23180 (http://www.osnews.com/comments/23180)
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: lwriemen on 2010.04.20, 21:14:03
A lot of the comments in the CW article were taken from the LinkedIn group,  Team OS/2 Alumni. There are 219 members. Lot's of names I hadn't seen in a long time, and a lot of history in the discussions.
Title: Re: Article: Is IBM considering an OS/2 redo?
Post by: cyber on 2010.04.21, 00:12:17
I'm think that IBM should not be allowed to do such thing.  This will crash today's hardware and software industry. If You have computer that is fast and stable and normal set of software, You probably won't buy new computer and new OS, and bunch of newer applications every next year, because nor hardware nor software have significant better characteristic in such short terms. Or You are lunatic ?
So think about people who produce hardware, new "better" and "faster" CPU and mobo every week, graphic cards, hard drives,...
And people who produce software, new office every year, new mp3 player that now can even download torrents, burning software who in newest version also do video conversion and can translate subtitles to your language, think about all those people who sell antivirus software !!!! Whoa !!!
All those people will lost their job, and become homeless.  :'(