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OS/2 - Technical => Setup & Installation => Topic started by: W3HYM on 2007.06.27, 02:12:06
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OK. I am asking the forever question on installing OS/2 WARP 4 on THINKPAD 770 series. Hard drive is about 7.8 GB. Seems Warp does not want to partition. I used F1 for setup, but not obvious what to do.
My real question, is this the case for all versions of OS/2 on most Thinkpads? I did successfully install on TP 701C with 40 MB RAM, 2 GB hard drive, using Warp 3, and all 3.5 inch diskettes.
Does ECS 1.2 solve the installation problems on all TPs, having a CD drive? I've not yet got ECS, but wonder if ECS is solution for TPs having CD drives. If ECS makes easy installation, then seems way to go.
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Does ECS 1.2 solve the installation problems on all TPs, having a CD drive? I've not yet got ECS, but wonder if ECS is solution for TPs having CD drives. If ECS makes easy installation, then seems way to go.
I've successfully installed eCS1.2r on a R50e and eCS2.0b4 on a R60e from CD. I've xcopied an updated W4 installation too.
Suspend/hybernate and the WLAN in the R60e do not work till now.
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Hi, what version of OS/2 Warp are you trying to install? You may need updated boot disks (which used to be available on IBM's site). The 770 should run OS/2 fine.
-Robert
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I tried both, OS/2 v3 WARP, and OS/2 v4 WARP. Seems major problem. I cannot get any of my three TPs to allow partition, and then proceed with installation.
I just ordered today, eCS 1.2R. But I would like to obtain update boot disks, if available. Can I download from another site?
David
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I am not sure (re: boot disks) - there was a link someplace on the thinkpads site (third party site). You might want to try IBM's site as well - they might still be there.
Also, if you have an NTFS partition (and I think certain FAT32 partitions) on the disk, you will need to remove them first using something else like DFSee or XP's FDisk, as OS/2's FDisk will not remove them and will not allow you to partition the media.
-Rob
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What you require is still readily available from IBM.....
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/YAST-3MARH8.html
The .txt file has the complete procedure which you must follow to the letter or you are wasting your time.
If you have any further problems just leave a message here as I may be able to assist.
Good luck.
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As far as the ugly partitions are concerned, the old DOS5 FDISK can remove them, too. You will need one bootable diskette (or a flash disk). No need for running OS/2 or winblows ;D
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You may also want to check IBM's Boulder FTP site for additional drivers and updates... I think that's where they were stored... I dont know what hardware is in the 770, but my 760 (or was it a 755?) had an MWave in it. It worked wonderfully under Warp - once I found the drivers, and then the updated MIDI support. Yours MAY have a CS4237 which shouldnt be a problem - Warp should detect it as some Crystal Chipset, or IBM Business Audio.
This link has links to some of the specs, as well as links to the manuals for the machine (assuming the links are still live - didnt try them). If the links dont work, let me know, I should have the service manuals at the very least and can post them for you (dont have the user manuals though).
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:770
Now, if your system is not the base 770 (and is the 770E, 770X, or 770Z) then go to this link:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Hardware_Specifications
...and select the appropriate model. At least one of them will require you to know the Type Number of the machine. That will be located on a tag on the bottom (usually - occassionally on a small tag on the top or front). If you cant find/read that tag, that information is almost always in IBM's BIOS in the System Info section (sometimes called something else depending on the BIOS).
The (Thinkpad) Device Driver Matrix [which is where you will find updated ThinkPad drivers for OS/2 as well as ThinkPad drivers for OS/2 that did not ship with OS/2 (like the MWave drivers, chipset enablers, etc)] seems to be online still at:
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/TPAD-MATRIX.html
Good luck, and let us know it it works... also, let me know if you need or want the Service Manual.
-Robert
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I got eCs working on my Thinkpad 770Z.
One problem is when I try to install a Windows 3.11 application, always the program, actually every Win 3.11 program I try to install, gets not enough disk space response. The disk has over 7GB availability, yet the win says zero availability.
What do I do to install win 3.11 apps?
OS2 apps install OK.
David
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This is caused by the drive volume being too big for the application to correctly determine the free space. They do a check first and won't let you install if there isn't enough space. I've even seen cases where it thinks there is negative space available. You have 3 choices.
1. The easiest and most likely successful method is to create a smaller disk volume for these applications, say 500mb-1gb.
2. If you don't want to do that you could try filling up the disk until there is only about 500mb free, install the application, and then delete the files. Might not work in every case.
3. What I have done with mixed success is hack the installer of each application to change the amount of space it should check for. This is sometimes defined in a text file, e.g. setup.ini. To do this you have to copy the contents of the disk, make your changes, and burn it on another CD. This is difficult and time-consuming, and won't work in every case.
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Thank you for the excllent response.
I wonder if 2GB volume would work? I pick 2GB since this is maximum volume for DOS. I shall try. If not, I shall lower. I shall report results here.
Also, with you advice, I can make the remaining 5GB+ volume a LOGICAL volume, for data, i.e., word docs, photos, pdf, etc. Since I only plan using eCS on thinkpad 770Z, I can format all drives with OS2 HPFS.
Thank you for response. I shall post results after experiment.
David
W3HYM
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I think you are probably right that 2gb should be small enough. All you can do is try.
Remember that deleting and re-creating volumes erases them, so be prepared to reinstall the OS.
For your volumes that aren't booted, JFS is a nice choice for a filesystem. The journalling helps prevent data loss from filesystem errors, and it's generally faster than HPFS, except when dealing with many small files.
eComStation 2.0 can boot to JFS volumes.
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Well. What a difference changing the partition makes.
I set a partition to 2GB. Then instanned eCS 1.2R. Almost all is OK. The audio drives do not install, with error.
Now the the main problem. I set the partition to 2GB since that is the maximum partition for DOS and WIN 3.11 programs. These old programs cannot work with larger partition.
Two WINDOWS programs were installed. With larger partition, I encountered previous problem. Now with 2GB partition, installation went straight through. On execution each of the two programs, I got different results. One program works perfectly.
The other program starts a WIN 3.11 session, but I then receive a STOP and message, NOT ENOUGH SYSTEM RESOURCES TO START APPLICATION. I am not sure what this message means. I suspect some setting in CONFIG.SYS file needs to be changed. But I do not know which one.
David
w3HYM
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You can install win3.11 programs (win-os2) even if running eCS or OS2 on a big harddrive. There is a little program that report to win-os2 that partition is not more than 2GB. It's called 2gbfix and is written by JMA Hall. You just put the file 2gbfix.com in your MDOS folder and add the little line C:\os2\mdos\2gbfix.com (if C: is your boot drive)to autoexec.bat. I think you can get the fix from hobbes.
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Thanks melf! I wish I'd known about that sooner! :)
David, you probably don't want to modify CONFIG.SYS itself, but just the DOS/Windows settings for the WIN-OS/2 Session. What I always do is check the documentation of the application for what it expects, because system resources could be anything: total memory, low memory, upper memory, files, buffers. The documentation will say to change CONFIG.SYS, but I would just change the program object settings.
You might want to create a new program object for the program, and tweak its properties, so if you mess it up you can just shred it and start again.
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On installing on big hard drives, I found OK with hard drives with upto 7.9 GB.
I obtained a 40 GB hard drive for Thinkpad 770Z. I did successfully install WINDOWS NT. But I don't want NT.
I tried eCS 1.2R, but get stuck on partition. Always partition error.
How do I get around partition error, for larger hard drive? If I could partition, what is maximum size partition for eCS 1.2R?
David
W3HYM
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For certain DOS programs, I made a C drive, with 496MB space. This, I believe, forces OS2 to use FAT16.
I load OS2 (eCS) ON D DRIVE.
My goal, make certain DOS programs work, using OS2, that otherwise seem to have problem withnot recognizing total allocated drive space.
Remarks?
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A good place to start this topic is:
http://www.os2world.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,63/topic,1042.0/
and then:
http://www.os2world.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,63/topic,1187.msg7943/
As you revive a year old posting, I'm going to be so rude as to suggest you read and heed the above, though certainly understand if you wind up still without joy. However, we here (I presume to speak) can only say the same things so many ways, and I think those two posts are comprehensive in sum.
Good luck. (And I'm fairly sure I and others will reply, BUT we'd appreciate you doing the above before asking again.)
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Oooh, sorry already, mistook the post at top of page for what may be a newer problem.
First, type of file system in OS/2 is selected HPFS or FAT, though may default to FAT in your given case.
Second, if you mean that you have an over 2G partition that DOS programs don't like the size of, you need 2GBFIX.ZIP from Hobbes (or my further patch to that which worked better in one specific case, 2GBFIXPA.ZIP).
http://hobbes2.nmsu.edu/download/pub/dos/2gbfix.zip
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Hi W3HYM,
First, before you give up on the 40GB hard drive (and assuming you truly do not want NT on it), download DFSee and delete all partitions on the disk - then try installing OS/2 Warp/eCS again.
I have had issues with trying to install both Warp and eCS v1.2 or earlier on any drive that has an NT or XP partition - LVM doesnt properly handle certain NT partition types (I believe this has been resolved for v2 - but that wont help you... hence the DFSee suggestion, which has always worked for me).
After that, OS/2 will properly handle any necessary drive translation needed if the BIOS is unable to.
You still may also wish to upgrade the BIOS on the machine to the most recent (my 600 Series did not require this to go from it's original 8GB drive to a 12GB, then 40GB drive - but the 770 is a little older). On that particular Thinkpad line (700 Series), there may actually be multiple updaters (BIOS and other subsystems). Some are just driver patches... all are well documented. Read through and pick the one that updates the core BIOS.
That machine is definitely OS/2 capable though, so no worries in that respect.
Second, you can achieve the same results (for your DOS apps) by:
(1) Following ddan's post below (2GBFIX.ZIP/2GBFIXPA.ZIP)
(2) Make two partitions... one for OS/2, the second one UNDER 2GB in size for DOS.
- Format BOTH as HPFS
- Install most of OS/2 on Drive C (the first partition)
- Install the DOS and WinOS2 components on Drive D (the less than 2GB partition)
- Go into your config.sys and ensure that any TEMP dirs and such that DOS/WinOS2 might use are on Drive D
There is no need to format the DOS app partition as FAT16 - just make it under 2GB - or see #1 above.
Hope that helps,
Robert