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Title: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2007.11.21, 21:08:26
http://www.asus.com (http://www.asus.com)
I just recently received my EEE PC 701 that I had ordered. There is instructions on how to install WinXP in the manual. It runs a version of Linux. Can one install eCS from a usb cd or dvd drive? Does it have the minimum for eCS?
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: kimhav on 2007.11.21, 21:41:32
Well, I actually found some more information about this system and it actually looks quite nice; the specs are simple but would run OS2 without any problems; so overall quite nice; looking forward to see someone making an OS2 review on it:


(http://www.os2world.com/images/stories/2007/asuseeepc.jpg)
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: Saijin_Naib on 2007.11.22, 06:47:34
I was looking at the EEE pc as an eCS box but the whole no CD drive thing really... Im not sure how I would go about getting eCS onto there.
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: Shai on 2007.11.22, 08:31:29
Cool,
I found out about this subnotebook some days ago and already planned to buy it when it's released in Germany this December (the first affordable subnotebook...).
I think the main method to install a new operating system is to use a bootable USB stick - I didn't read anything about the possibility to boot from an attached CD/DVD drive, so we would have to transfer the eCS boot floppies to a bootable USB stick and include USB CD/DVD drivers. If that's possible then why not transfer the entire eCS boot CD to USB flash? Unfortunately as far as I know, you cannot just "copy" an arbitrary bootable CD ISO.
I think that resource might be interesting: http://os4you.org/wiki-usb-boot-en.html
It's a bit risky. Maybe it won't work that way.

greetings,
Robin
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: Shai on 2007.11.23, 07:16:36
http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2007/11/12654/

this guy installed Mac OS X on his eeePC. He simply attached an USB DVD drive and set the BIOS to boot from USB. So that's supported. It should be quite easy to install eCS the same way (once you've got such a DVD/CD drive)
@BigWarpGuy: If you get it to work, maybe you could tell us whether you can actually use all the hardware. Is the graphics chipset supported by SNAP (not running in VESA mode)? (If not - I think - Panorama VESA would be preferable.) Is the WLAN chipset supported by genmac? etc... The sound chipset is AC97 so that won't be a problem.

greetings,
Robin
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2007.11.24, 01:13:11
Cool,
I found out about this subnotebook some days ago and already planned to buy it when it's released in Germany this December (the first affordable sub notebook...).
I think the main method to install a new operating system is to use a bootable USB stick - I didn't read anything about the possibility to boot from an attached CD/DVD drive, so we would have to transfer the eCS boot floppies to a bootable USB stick and include USB CD/DVD drivers. If that's possible then why not transfer the entire eCS boot CD to USB flash? Unfortunately as far as I know, you cannot just "copy" an arbitrary bootable CD ISO.
I think that resource might be interesting: http://os4you.org/wiki-usb-boot-en.html
It's a bit risky. Maybe it won't work that way.

greetings,
Robin

The manual that comes with it shows how to install WinXP from an USB drive. If one can install eCS using an USB drive, it should be able to install eCS onto it.
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: Shai on 2007.11.25, 01:11:00
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The manual that comes with it shows how to install WinXP from an USB drive. If one can install eCS using an USB drive, it should be able to install eCS onto it.

I don't think installing eCS this way will be as easy as installing Windows. See, you cannot write the *raw* contents of a CD (i.e. a boot CD used to install an operating system) to an USB stick because CDs have special filesystems. As far as I know, creating an USB stick with a Windows Installer involves creating a FAT or NTFS partition at the stick, making it bootable and then copying all the files from a Windows CD to the stick. What exactly does your manual say about that?
As I said, it should be possible to install it that way but it's not very straight forward and it may be tricky.
A method - however - which will almost certainly work (as the OS X installing article pointed out) is to use an external USB CD/DVD drive, changing your boot sequence so "USB" is at the top and then simply booting your eCS CD. That should be pretty easy. I think for that purpose I'm going to buy a cheap CD/DVD drive mobile rack and attach one of my old drives to it - I won't really need a real portable CD/DVD drive for that computer. Too bad I cannot use the PCMCIA/PCCARD CD drive I've already got

greetings,
Robin
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: Saijin_Naib on 2007.11.25, 03:01:09
I read somewhere that someone said that a USB install would not work because of how the eCS/ OS/2 routine switches the USB driver control during the install process or something. I dont recall exactly what was said, but I was left with the impression that a USB install is impossible, the only other way being NetBUI install or imaging the files to the disk and using a command line to start the install.
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: Robert Deed on 2007.11.26, 06:50:35
OS/2 is bootable from USB, however you cannot have the USB drivers loaded during the install.  Then the USB bootable device will just show up as a removable drive (the system doesn't need to know it is USB).  This works unless you have a buggy bios.

I read somewhere that someone said that a USB install would not work because of how the eCS/ OS/2 routine switches the USB driver control during the install process or something. I dont recall exactly what was said, but I was left with the impression that a USB install is impossible, the only other way being NetBUI install or imaging the files to the disk and using a command line to start the install.
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: Saijin_Naib on 2007.11.26, 07:20:37
So concievably, OS/2 could be installed/booted from an image on a flash drive onto the eeePC?
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2007.11.26, 16:20:45
Quote
The manual that comes with it shows how to install WinXP from an USB drive. If one can install eCS using an USB drive, it should be able to install eCS onto it.

I don't think installing eCS this way will be as easy as installing Windows. See, you cannot write the *raw* contents of a CD (i.e. a boot CD used to install an operating system) to an USB stick because CDs have special filesystems. As far as I know, creating an USB stick with a Windows Installer involves creating a FAT or NTFS partition at the stick, making it bootable and then copying all the files from a Windows CD to the stick. What exactly does your manual say about that?
As I said, it should be possible to install it that way but it's not very straight forward and it may be tricky.
A method - however - which will almost certainly work (as the OS X installing article pointed out) is to use an external USB CD/DVD drive, changing your boot sequence so "USB" is at the top and then simply booting your eCS CD. That should be pretty easy. I think for that purpose I'm going to buy a cheap CD/DVD drive mobile rack and attach one of my old drives to it - I won't really need a real portable CD/DVD drive for that computer. Too bad I cannot use the PCMCIA/PCCARD CD drive I've already got

greetings,
Robin

There is a typo on my part. It should have read 'usb cd or dvd drive' instead of just 'usb drive'. The instructions show how to install from an USB cd or dvd drive.  :(   
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: Saijin_Naib on 2007.11.26, 19:46:42
Have you tried installing eCS yet?
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2007.11.27, 01:04:23
I have not tried it yet. I might next year. I still have to get an USB DVD/CD drive. There is one at USB Geek.
http://www.usbgeek.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=0663 (http://www.usbgeek.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=0663) I will check other places too.  8)
Title: EEE PC Users Forum and eCS?
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2007.11.27, 15:52:59
http://forum.eeeusers.com (http://forum.eeeusers.com) Here is a forum for users of the EEE PC. I asked them to add an 'other' section for those interested in using eCS on the EEE PC.  8)
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: Pete on 2007.11.28, 02:23:17
So concievably, OS/2 could be installed/booted from an image on a flash drive onto the eeePC?


You may want to have a look at Project LPWS http://www.os2world.com/content/view/14543/2/ to see if it that works.

Regards

Pete
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2007.11.29, 20:43:09
http://lpws.mine.nu/ (http://lpws.mine.nu/) LPWS

I will also check it out above. :)

It is very informative. Thanks.  ;D

I wonder if a LPWS could be made using a pico-itx? ??? http://www.mini-ix.com (http://www.mini-ix.com)
Title: Re: EEE PC Users Forum and eCS?
Post by: MikeZ on 2007.12.01, 14:24:18
http://forum.eeeusers.com (http://forum.eeeusers.com) Here is a forum for users of the EEE PC. I asked them to add an 'other' section for those interested in using eCS on the EEE PC.  8)

There is another new, HowTo oriented site here: http://eee-developers.com (http://eee-developers.com)
I know the admin is still accepting requests for additional forums. 
Shameless plug: Check us out.
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2007.12.06, 01:08:29
I will check it out. Thanks for the link.  8)
Title: Asus EEE PC 701 Memroy Card Reader and eCS?
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2007.12.24, 23:20:35
The Asus EEE PC has a memory card reader. Would it work with eCS?  ???
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: george on 2007.12.25, 10:46:00
there are problems accessing USB cdrom during boot. Because of BIOS suport, eCS can use USB cdrom to do initial boot but once eCS drivers load eCS can not see the rest of the cdrom. So you can use USB cdrom instead of diskette images but not to do a complete cdrom install.

I have done eComStation install on Eee PC but have not gotten wired NIC, wireless NIC or sound drivers to work.

Below are some of the steps I used to get the install started:
1. create Linux USB bootable USB key
    need one 2GB key OR two 1GB keys OR one 512MB key and USB cdrom
2. zip copy of eComStation cdrom to USB key (2GB key or 2nd 1GB key)
        (also put eCS install key on USB)
     ** step 2 can be skipped if you have USB cdrom   **
3. boot linux with USB key
4. delete all partitions on SSD drive  (use fdisk or gparted)
        ** for steps 4 and 5
        ** depending on the Linux you use
        ** you might have to add Linux packages
        **  gparted and mdostools (FAT16 filesystem)
5. create 800MB FAT16 partition at end of SSD drive   (use fdisk or gparted)
           label partition "ECS_CDRUN"
4. unzip eCS cdrom zip or copy eCS cdrom to "ECS_CDRUN" partition
5.  and eCS key to "ECS_CDRUN" partition
6. boot eCS using USB diskette drive or using USB cdrom
            "use own boot options"
              a.   change video to VGA 

-----  creating Linux bootable USB key  -----------------

There are many tutorials on the Internet.

Here are a couple:
Install Pendrive Linux from special bootable CD
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/06/06/pendrivelinux-installation-from-cd/

USB Pendrive Linux install from Linux
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/05/16/usb-pendrivelinux-install-tutorial/

more
http://pendrivelinux.com/
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: george on 2007.12.25, 11:20:20

It might be easier to use eeeKubuntu to prep Eee PC for the eComStation install

http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu:eeexubuntu:home

download and burn eeeKubuntu ISO

If you have USB cdrom then you can directly boot eeeKubuntu cdrom on Eee PC and use it to delete/create/format partitions on the EeePC. If you do not have USB cdrom you will need to boot the eeeKubuntu on a different machine (that has a IDE cdrom) to create a bootable eeeKubuntu USB key. See web page for how to create bootable USB key

partition the Eee PC SSD device using "fdisk" or "parted" commands

the command to format label the FAT16 partition would be similar to the line below:
sudo mkfs.vfat -n ECS_CDRUN -F 16 /dev/sdXn      (sdXn is partition ID, change as needed)
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2008.01.23, 20:42:23
Is it possible to install eCS from an SD card? ??? They now make some that are at least a couple of gigabytes in size. The EEE PC has a mem card reader builtin. Would this still work with eCS?  ???
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2008.01.23, 20:44:00
Could one use an USB thumb drive (not optical but SSD) to install eCS from? ??? Could one copy the install cd to the USB drive?  ???
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: rdconsult on 2008.01.28, 13:50:04
Could one use an USB thumb drive (not optical but SSD) to install eCS from? ??? Could one copy the install cd to the USB drive?  ???


Yes, see


http://os4you.org/wiki-usb-boot-en.html#Booting_the_Asus_EeePC_from_an_OS.2F2_-_eCS_system_on_an_SD_Card

kind regards

Rainer
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2008.01.28, 20:59:57
Thanks for the link.  The whole page has very useful information.   8)

7.3.2.2 Copy your Mini OS/2 - eCS System from Maintenance Partition to prepared USB MSD

7.4.2.1 IBM OS/2 Boot Manager

9.2 Booting the Asus EeePC from an OS/2 - eCS system on an SD Card
It is under 9.2 which is near the bottom. :)


Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2008.01.31, 15:41:20
Installing eCS onto my EEE PC might be a little difficult since it is not exactly performing correctly. It takes several tries before it boots up (the power light and wifi light comes on but nothing shows on the screen). It is not exactly stable since it can crash / freeze up. This is frustrating since it take so many tries just to get it started. I was listening to some music files I have on it and it froze up during the song (it sunded like broken/scratched record; it kept repeating a certain part) and the screen was all weird. I had to turn it off.  I am not sure if it was software related or hard ware related. Installing eCS might keep me from sending it back but I will give it a try anyway. I have the cd-rom drive that I ordered. It is small and it uses two usb ports (one to connect to the cd from the pc and the other to power it). I will be trying to install eCS either from the usb cdrom or from the sd card.  8) This is an update.  ;D
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: edurrant on 2008.02.01, 11:53:34
Documentation of How To install eCS 2.0 RC4 to an SD card and boot the ASUS EeePC is now finished attached to this thread and will be uploaded to Hobbes in both German and English versions.

The system is running well, but only in VGA and without audio or network support at present. Still some work to do in that area.

Cheers/2

Ed.
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: rdconsult on 2008.02.01, 15:30:26
Documentation of How To install eCS 2.0 RC4 to an SD card and boot the ASUS EeePC is now finished attached to this thread and will be uploaded to Hobbes in both German and English versions.

The system is running well, but only in VGA and without audio or network support at present. Still some work to do in that area.

Cheers/2

Ed.



Here are the links to the "Back Ground Info"  ( the USB  Boot Wiki )  and the current Hobbes links

go to Chapter 9.2 of the Wiki:

http://os4you.org/wiki-usb-boot-en.html

( sorry the direct link to the chapter does not work in most browsers - to 
long and not identified as link address in full length )

Howto Install a eCS System on an SD Card at the Internal Reader of the ASUS EeePC without deleting / changing the Preinstalled System

The final documents (PDF files) are uploaded to Hobbes. 2008-02-01 13.30 Rainer

Files names are:
EeePC-HowTo-install-eCS-to-SD-deu_v1.zip German Version
EeePC-HowTo-install-eCS-to-SD-eng_v1.zip English Version

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/cgi-bin/h-search?key=eeepc+&pushbutton=Search

Currently the file are in the /pub/incoming directory - before moving to /pub/os2/doc

Many thanks to   Ed for the authoring and to  Gabriele Durrant for the German translation!

kind regards

Rainer D,
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2008.02.01, 19:11:06
My EEE PC is malfunctioning.  :'( Once I get it to work propperly or have it fixed or replaced, I will be able to trying installin eCS onto it.  ;D

Thank you for the information.
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2008.02.24, 03:43:30
There is a delay in trying to install eCS onto my EEE PC due to problems that made it necessary to send it back to Asus (the repair place in the USA). I hope they can fix it. http://forum.eeeuser.com (http://forum.eeeuser.com) has a section where there are others trying to install either OS/2 or eCS onto their EEE PC and working on the problems.
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2008.03.04, 02:27:43
I sent it back. It returned today. It has a new serial number. I assume they replaced it. It was the main board. Once I know that it works, I will - eventually - try to install eCS.  8)
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: rdconsult on 2008.03.04, 21:43:58
I sent it back. It returned today. It has a new serial number. I assume they replaced it. It was the main board. Once I know that it works, I will - eventually - try to install eCS.  8)

Well.. Sigurd just publish his Howto on Hobbes 

              - the German Version - with a lot of screen shoots and instructions

                the english version is in the pipe line


Now there are 3 HwoTo about the EeePC and eCS on Hobbes

  http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/cgi-bin/h-search?sh=1&button=Search&key=eee+asus&stype=all&sort=type&dir=%2F

and the Wiki

  http://os4you.org/wiki-usb-boot-en.html#The_Asus_EeePC_-_HowTo_Boot_an_OS.2F2_-_eCS_System

Currently Ed is working with the GenMac Team to the NIC and WLAN Support

There are solutions for the video and audio support.


happy installing

Rainer
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2008.03.05, 02:29:32
Thank you for the information and links. I will definitely check it out.  8)

http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=16951 (http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=16951)  There are some working on using SD cards to run operating systems instead of installing them onto the SSD. This would mean being able to switch os's just by switching sd cards.  ;D It would be cool if one could install eCS onto a sd card. http://eeespot.blogspot.com/ (http://eeespot.blogspot.com/)
Title: Re: Asus EEE PC 701 and eCS
Post by: BigWarpGuy on 2008.03.07, 22:27:30
I have eCS 1.2r. Would it work with 1.2r that same way with 2.0r4?  ???

It would be neat to see if eCS 1.2r will install onto the SSD.  8)

So far, my EEE PC is not having any more problems. It is working quite well.