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#16
Hi/2,

I sat down today to what I thought would be an easy task, creating a simple spreadsheet, and ended up spending a few hours installing, uninstalling, and re-installing Lotus Smartsuite, believing I must have done something wrong in the process.

I'm installing on eComStation 1.2, the first time from the Smartsuite 1.7 CD, and the second time from Disk 3 of an earlier eComStation (the disk just says eComStation, with 2003 in small letters). It seems to install fine, and I reboot. When I try to launch Lotus 1-2-3, it shows the splash screen, and then gives an error dialog which reads:

QuoteLanguage resource for LTUIR22.DLL not found.
Reinstall the desired language version of Lotus 1-2-3.

Clicking OK causes the error to appear a second time, and then I click OK and it goes away. When I close the program the same error returns, and clicking OK just brings it up again, and again, forever, until I kill it from the WarpCenter.

Actually, with the regular Smartsuite CD, the error was truncated, so the title bar read "Lo," and the error read "La." That's why I uninstalled and dug out the other media. The eCS disk has the option to update from 1.7.0 to 1.7.1, and I tried with and without it. Can't seem to find where the later fixpaks can be downloaded, so I guess they can't. I don't imagine it would make a difference though.

It also has the "optional" fixes of a couple DLL's you can copy in. Doing that just keeps 1-2-3 from launching at all. Popuplog named one of them as the culprit, so I reinstalled again. Whee!

I certainly don't recall having this much trouble before. Does anyone understand what this is about?
#17
Oh, sorry guys, I'm as bad as jsawa. Knut polished off the libc Bash port over a year ago, and 3.2 builds just as easily as 3.1. I didn't even think about putting it up because I've been busy with Uniaud.

I'm adding pulling the source again and building it to my list. Shouldn't take long.
#18
Programming / Re: SWT port image
2008.05.31, 01:20:26
It would be helpful to get proper attention toward these laudable and hard-earned efforts to have information organized someplace, especially considering that http://eclipse.netlabs.org is somewhat incomplete these days.

One possibility is to add more info and links to the wiki on the SWT project site http://svn.netlabs.org/swt/ since that is where Leonardo is already working. If the parties involved agree, the Odin SWT port and the SWTSwing port could be imported to the Subversion repo.
#19
In theory, it should be possible to make it work, but Warp 4 Server is based on the Warp 3 underlying OS, and as such it is more difficult than the Warp 4 client to install on new hardware.

It is possible to install the Warp 4 Server components on Warp 4 Client. A document from IBM detailing how to do it is surely still possible to find on the Internet somewhere. Given that, it should be possible to install the Warp 4 Server components on top of the eComStation client, which I think I would do, depending on what you want to achieve.
#20
Programming / Re: SWT port image
2008.05.30, 20:26:43
This is all very interesting, to come to light.


  • An incomplete purely native SWT port in progress
  • A working Odin SWT port done very quickly
  • Eclipse partly working using SWTSwing (seen in other threads)
  • Recent discovery that Java 1.5 can be made to work
  • The full source code for OpenJDK

A lot of work here, but look at the potential.

I would set the priorities thus.

First, to get as much of this as is working, from a user standpoint, built and available for download and publicized, to attract attention and interest, so people get testing and hopefully willing to fix and contribute a little too.

Second, (sorry to say) some effort needs to be done to port this native SWT build to OpenWatcom, with some good makefiles (and perhaps a Netbeans or Eclipse project) to reproduce the build consistently. That's really the only effective way to facilitate collaboration well. The distribution of a whole OS and compiler in an image might help get this beyond a single developer, but it isn't a solution that will scale well in the medium and long term.

Third, the 3 known SWT solutions could be mixed. Requires some work, but would achieve the advantages that each has now, in a single package. As ydario pointed out, Odin gets it done quickly, so replacing the working Odin classes with native ones is a more fruitful process than working with nothing. The other reason for this is that the user and developer community is too small to support 3 fragmented implementations of the same thing. Users need a single download or they will choose one and be frustrated by its limitations and give up; and developers need to work from a single project base.

For those who find Odin or Swing too distasteful to even have present, it is much more prudent to make them a build option than maintain separate projects.

Of course, there is also the "fun" work of furthering this native SWT port, and that is what everyone has in mind, but that work will be made much smoother and more efficacious by these improvements to the development environment.

As for the OpenJDK source, it only becomes useful as we have a more complete Java setup, and a consistent way to build Java classes and tools from C, so it's interesting long-term, and pursuing a uniting effort in the way I am suggesting lays the foundation for everyone's efforts here to build on one another and move forward effectively toward that next level.

#21
The HP Mini-Note advertises a list of OS's which includes FreeDOS, but when you try to buy, only two models include SUSE Desktop Linux (which you pay for), and the rest have Windows. OK, so let's "configure" so it is custom, oh then your only choice is Windows. :P
#22
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.05.24, 02:06:32
Is is not grappling with the technicalities that are encountered in computing (Going Boldly - Where None Has Gone Before....) what being a "geek" is all about.

Oh, sure. It can be fun, and you learn from it. I'm just saying, if the goal is to get it installed, one should be warned, eComStation really is well worth the price when you factor the time and work required for installation alone. It should be considered a more expensive option to install Warp these days.

There are plenty of technicalities to grapple with after that, anyway.
#23
Knowing what I'm doing, on hardware I know will work, having done it before dozens of times, if I install Warp 4 properly from the boxed media and apply the IBM fixpaks, I have spent enough time that I could have earned the price of eComStation, possibly even a few times. Add any single factor such as a "large" disk drive of 10MB, or not knowing 1 or 2 of the things I know about OS/2, and this just increases exponentially.

Not to spoil the fun or anything. My point is, if you enjoy this, and the helpers here do too, great, enjoy the party. Just, if it were myself, I would finish this installation wishing I could have all those hours of my life back. If I didn't have the experience at it I do, I probably would not be able to finish it at all. The very best way to install Warp 4 these days is to forget it and buy eComStation.

#24
WPS for Windows was the first use (to my knowledge) of the Windows Registry for purposes other than program associations with file extensions, and proved what a bad idea it was, as it would occasionally crash and destroy the Registry, rendering Windows 3.1 unstartable. (Sound at all familiar?)

Having the source code public is useful for this reason, it is now possible to fix this problem that makes the program impractical for anything other than a quick demo of what the WPS looks like.

On the other hand, is there a living soul in 2008 interested in this enhancement to their Windows 3.1 desktop? Not even worth the trouble of trying to compile it, in my book, since my only use of Win3.1 apps is on eComStation anyway.

Maybe in 1995 when some of us still had Windows 3.1 desktops in addition to Warp, and would have welcomed a more usable replacement for Program Manager, this code would have been fun to have had.

Maybe IBM is just trying to make the point of how pointless open-sourcing 10-year-old code related to OS/2 is.
#25
Applications / Re: Voice Type
2008.05.19, 20:40:24
Thank you, klipp, and all who helped, for testing and figuring this out, and for ruling out Uniaud as the source of the problem.
#26
Applications / Re: Voice Type
2008.05.15, 19:41:58
onlineuser2,

Please don't just wait. Please try the sbliveos2 driver.
#27
Applications / Re: Voice Type
2008.05.15, 17:25:30
Hi guys,

Can we confirm that the problems with VoiceType are only with Uniaud, and the problems do not occur with other drivers? I only skimmed this thread, but I did not see any post stating otherwise.

If it is a problem with Uniaud, it actually makes sense to me that this would be the case.

Those with SB Live, please try with the latest sbliveos2 driver you can find. If it works with that, it will be easier to get it working in Uniaud.

I'm not making any promises, and I probably won't get to it soon, but you got my attention.

Anyone interested in working on fixing it is invited to join the uniaud-dev list (see http://svn.netlabs.org/uniaud) to discuss it.

Thanks.
#28
Hi HerwigB,

I didn't use the WPI package. I unzipped the zip package from Paul Smedley's site and just used smbclient to copy files around. I did not reboot for the sake of Samba. I only noticed the problem the next time I tried to reboot to Linux, at which time it could not finish booting because some of my partitions were gone. Linux's fdisk says the partition table is corrupted. I am able to boot to eComStation, but when I run the LVM Manager, it says, too, the partition table is corrupted, but some of the partitions are still visible and working, so far.

I do not have EVFS installed. My notebook has eCS 2.0rc1.
#29
I was dual-booting eCS and Linux successfully on my notebook for about a year and a half, until the day I installed and used Samba on eCS, and on that day, after my next boot, my partition table was corrupted.

Coincidence? I have no idea. Doesn't make much sense to me that running Samba would hurt the partition table. Now I read someone else has LVM trouble after installing Samba. More coincidence. I don't understand it, but it gives me pause.
#30
QuoteIBM has recommended that customers on OS/2 consider migration to alternative solution offerings, and has a broad array of software assets and services to help customers migrate. We would like to ask you to encourage any customers who are still planning their migrations or who have other technical requirements to contact their IBM representative to discuss how these assets and services could be leveraged.

My technical requirements include use of the WPS and SOM. Can my IBM representative help me migrate to an alternative solution offering leveraging IBM's software assets and services to meet this need?