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Applications / Re: WPS-Wizard 0.6b3 Cairo gadgets
« on: 2007.10.22, 10:56:10 »
Could cairo (which is GPU neutral) produce the same results as WOOV for transparency, but with greater compatibility across the diverse systems that people use with eCS?

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Applications / Re: WPS-Wizard 0.6b3 Cairo gadgets
« on: 2007.10.22, 08:05:56 »
What differences are there between Styler/2 and eStyler Lite? I believe I use eStyler Lite that is included with eCS 2.0 RC2, and I love it. The roll up window is missing though :(

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Applications / Re: New Icon theme for eCS 2.0 desktop
« on: 2007.10.22, 07:20:55 »
Thats pretty weird, and very awesome. Maybe the wall-paper should be a blue-print or some architectural draft :)

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Storage / Re: NTFS 3g Project
« on: 2007.10.21, 06:15:06 »
Yes, these tools are quite useful, but my suggestion was that we could use this NTFS-3g work to help the eComStation NTFS.IFS driver which has been noted by some to cause data corruption even when in NTFS Read Only mode. I

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Storage / NTFS 3g Project
« on: 2007.10.20, 22:35:55 »
http://www.ntfs-3g.org/

After 12 years of development, the driver is now stable status. Could we possibly have the sources ported over to the IFS format so that eCS can have a stable, reliable NTFS read/write/resize driver that has 12 years of active development behind it?

What do you guys think?

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General Discussion / Re: Serenity Systems responsiveness?
« on: 2007.10.19, 06:48:30 »
I had set up a support request and it was kind of slow, but there was some back and forth. I dont think they are the MOST responsive, but surely, they are not the least. I as well hope they are doing well enough that there is not financial problems.

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USB / Re: AMD TV Tuner and eCS?
« on: 2007.10.18, 23:09:55 »
I mean technically, sure why not?
It would need a driver though right?

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Applications / Re: CUPS???
« on: 2007.10.17, 08:40:51 »
 :-\ Yeah, I am a GUI noob, and the lack of an installer and GUI application through which to manage and set up things really puts me off it. I desperately need printing support under OS/2 for my HP PSC 1210xi, and it looks like eCUPS is going to provide that, but I was afraid to try it. I may sit down this weekend and give it another shot. I can always re-install if I do something dumb :D

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Applications / Re: CUPS???
« on: 2007.10.17, 06:18:32 »
I think the lack of feedback may be because it seems a bit daunting. I, personally, am not comfortable with the OS/2 printer install routine, and from what I was reading about CUPS, doubted my ability to configure it properly, so I never even bothered to try it. Im sure others in the community are not as OS/2 noobish as I am, but it seems daunting and that may have somethig to do with the lack of feedback?

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Hardware / Re: netvista sound driver error
« on: 2007.10.17, 06:13:51 »
perhaps its more "stable"?
Sometimes things like that happen with drivers :\

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SWT will allow us to run applications like Symphony and the newer Lotus products, correct?

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Storage / Re: partitioning question
« on: 2007.10.13, 11:02:28 »
My setup is a 40gb Western Digital IDE drive with the first cylinder as the IBM Boot manager, and remaining space as my Windows XP drive. This contains all my music, pictures, and videos. My second drive is an 8gb Western Digital IDE drive pulled from a broken XBOX. This is formatted as JFS and is my eCS drive. This contains all my eCS programs. All documents are saved to an external flash drive so they are in no danger of being lost.

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ODIN / Re: Current Status of the ODIN OS/2 Project
« on: 2007.10.12, 00:28:46 »
Okay, excellent. Thank you for the clarification. I was not sure about the internal workings and structure of Odin, but you have greatly cleared that up for me now.

So lets say I want to get Office XP (fully updated version from my XP partition) to run properly. Would that be too much for a starter application?
Should I go for something (hopefully) more simple like AIM 5.5.3599 with DeadAim?
Should I request a multimedia player, which may or may not work, like Sonique 1.96?
What would be the easiest and most beneficial program to set as the first target?

Here is my list of MUST have programs as of right now: 1 is must, 2 is want, 3 is would be nice

2)AIM 5.5.3599 with DeadAIM

3)Lycos Sonique 1.96

2)DC++ (valknut is close, but cant connect to my school's hub in anything put passive mode which is restricted)

2)Minitab 14 Student Edition [runs on 2k] (14 full requires XP, so some possible difficulties/dependencies there?)

3)Online Conversion Pro (neat little freeware unit converter, yes theres a website, but the prog is nice too)

3)Rio Music Manager (would be nice to have a method of putting music on my Rio Karma once i fix it)

1)Microsoft Office XP (own a licence, its on my XP partition) Must, must, must have.

3)Google Video Player (Not necessary, but would be kinda cool to view my .gvp files from eCS)

1)Google Video Uploader (Way better performance than the web upload)

2)Steam (I know, no directX in eCS yet, but we do have OpenGL and the older half-life games may run with OpenGL 1.2 gold)

3)Samsung PC Studio 3 (probably mad dependencies on Windows Media player and other Windows core components, so probably difficult, but phone management would be nice)

1)Another Bittorrent Client (a GUI bittorrent application I use and enjoy, based mostly on python so should not be too difficult to port over to eCS?)

1)Adobe Photoshop 7 or above (with Image Ready)-A good image editing software is sorely missing from eCS

3)Adobe Premiere 6.5 or above (with after effects?)- Great movie suite, OS/2 doesnt really have any?

2)Microsoft Paint (OS/2 [afaik] is lacking a nice little bitmap paint program that is simplistic and fast like paint)

So thats my list, the rest would be multimedia software and games, and those kinda dont really apply.
So what is the best one to start with and why?

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ODIN / Re: Current Status of the ODIN OS/2 Project
« on: 2007.10.11, 13:16:36 »
I *THINK* similar to Odin - and code has been ported back and forth between the two if memory serves (or had been at one time). Check out the Odin pages on NetLabs...
Okay, cause I was wondering if porting WINE would be a good place to start, or would it be best to just look to the windows DLL files first and port from there. Again, I donno what Im talking about...

Actually, yes they do. Almost the entire OS can be interchanged... drivers, TCP/IP, NetBIOS, GUI, CMD sessions, task handlers, you name it). It's ALL modular. I can install Warp 3, and then the Warp Server components from WSeB (3 releases later). I can install eCS drivers under Warp 3 and 4 (which I have done on my laptop, then went to WSeB. I can install Warp 3 drivers on WSeB and eCS. No problems. Only some very ancient drivers (usually OS/2 1.x drivers)  wont work because they were made for 16bit OS/2 on 16bit hardware (locks memory above 16MB). 
Tasty hat  :) (as in im eating my hat because I was very much wrong)

IBM is still working on OS/2. Unless you have a support contract with them, or buy eCS, you wont see those updates. It still requires as little hardware. Where do you think the kernel and networking updates have come from, or the numerous device driver fixpacks?
I do have the Service plan from eCS, why I have the betas :) I knew those updates came from IBM, but I was pretty certain that they have stopped developing and fixing after the support period ended in 2005 or 2006. They havnt?


If you have (or buy) a software support contract, they'll gladly talk to you and help you a dozen different ways, and provide you with a number directly to someone who knows OS/2 inside and out. Cheaper to buy eCS and deal with Serenity - who if they cant help, can call IBM for an answer that wont cost you a massive IBM support contract.
This was pre-eCS, and partially helped me decide to get eCS because I wanted another OS, and OS/2 wasnt installing.

Yes, driver support is an issue with eCS 1.2MR... and eCS 2.0 is still beta. Some machines (like my Netfinity) are a dream. A lot of new machines I have installed for clients have been a dream, while a bunch have been a pain in the butt (non-standard SATA support, funky, uber-generic gigabit ethernet, etc).
^ That is EXACTLY what I fear in purchasing a new computer. I know XP will be fine with it.

Which card? Have you tried the GenMAC drivers or Chuck McKinnis' NicPak? If not, there is one other place that helped me find drivers for just about anywhere... dont remember the link off the top of my head, but it is in a Thinkpad T23 topic that's recently been on the board (3 days ago was the last post).
I tried GenMac but there are too many for MPTS to work and I didnt learn how to work around that until after I left it at home. I have a Microsoft MN-720 and a Belkin Wireless 54g Revision B. I think they should be supported, but I have not had the chance to try driver by driver yet.

I use it for games, and the odd PDF creation that OpenOffice for OS/2 bombs on (because I am too lazy to install ePDF which would achieve the same results on OS/2).
Gotta have my games. I dont generate PDFs, except through my HP scanning software. Only time I have needed it so far was when I scan my work in, and it does it for me..

Sane & Tame for OS/2. Works great, supports a ton of scanners. Printing - either native OS/2 drivers, or CUPS. Covers pretty much everything. Yeah, pain to install... but will do the job. I think a lot of that will be installed automatically when eCS 2.0 (and CUPS) is finished.
Have Sane/Tame, thus far, no luck. No scanning on the models I have tried. eCUPS I have not tested because, well, its not a neat little GUI thinger yet and I dont want to frig anything else up.

"Media players (hardware)"? Not sure what you mean. OS/2 plays as much media (more actually)... but just requires a decent GUI for the players. Pretty easy to integrate them all into the WPS though for easy playing of anything. Does need a Flash plugin update... but Paul Smedley is finishing that as we speak (gnash).
I wouldnt say more. DirectShow filters are very easy to find for almost all non-WMP supported codecs and containers, and once they are installed, its very nice. None of my multimedia plays in the WPS like it should, and by hardware media players I meant digital audio devices and portable media players :) Yeap, amped about Paul's GNASH and hopefully Firefox plugin to replace Innotek flash 7. w00ts. As for audio player, I use pm123 though it has a tendency to tank on large directories or not share the audio properly and lock up waiting.

Yeah, games support is lacking. For now. Odin would need a lot of work to fix that... and with DirectX having changed (massively) again, it's back to the drawing board.
Id say skip DX10, and work on DX9 support for Odin. Hell, go OpenGL too. It supports most of the stuff I want to run anyway. Plus, OS/2 already had an OpenGL implementation, so we have a starting point. Oooo, would that be a realistic bounty? A modern, current port of OpenGL? No MesaGL software render crap.

From what I understand, this is done or near finished... I'll make a post if I find out more. Though why they created a proprietary format for media-over-network, I dont know... (oh, yes I do... lock out other OS's). Something is being ported from the Linux world if memory serves.
MTP does have some advantages, I posted a bounty suggestion for a implementation for MTP (I got flamed relentlessly on the ecomstation news boards talking about it). PTP is supported through Cameraderie and another application, though I believe it should be through the WPS so the camera mounts as a device in the drives object or on the desktop. I hate having all this extra software to do stuff :\

What type printer? It probably can. I will try to help you get it working.
What type scanner (Sane and Tame have come a long way)?
Hewlett Packard PSC 1210xi All-in-one, on eCS is all-in-none :( No luck with Sane/Tame. I have heard that the omni driver can support my printer, but I have tried a good 10 entries in the HP omni driver and no luck.

I have Illustrator 9 working under a very old version of Odin (thus should work with newer versions of Odin as well). Also, check out Pixel for OS/2, Embellish, and GIMP (v2.2.8) GIMP is much like Photoshop.
Pixel is expensive. Embellish I dont like using (too confusing), GIMP for everblue did not work well at all. I dont know how to use xFree86 so :\ Queency is the only thing that was half-way decent and easy to use, but it crashes all the friggin time.

Try SIM for OS/2 - much more AIM like (though file transfer is still unfinished). Very pretty, some neat plugins, and nice features.
http://eros2-dev.blogspot.com/2007/03/sim-for-os2.html
:D SIM is the reason why I want to help Marty make MrMessage better and more powerful. No offense to eros, but SIM is absolute crap. Its crap under windows and eCS, I think its just the program. It will murder your buddy lists, destroy profiles, and does not actually send or recieve messages well, nor does the file transfer work. It looks pretty, and that is all. MrMessage is the only viable option for OS/2.

Will install, and will work properly from that list. eCS v2 will also take advantage of the multicore (been a lot of ACPI updates in the last few weeks).
Yeah, been watching it. I have the latest ACPI of 3.03 right now. Too bad SNAP is dead, I want hardware support for the newer Nvidia cards :\

Most definitely. VirtualPC is great for many of my day to day tasks (well, I rarely use it, except to test things in IE... but I could use it for Photoshop, etc if I didnt have OS/2 equivalents installed)... but VPC sucks for many games, and sound support is kinda sketchy for most sound cards.
Virtualization is not an option for me :\

Near impossible based off the manpower needed. Now, if something promising materializes on the Linux front, that may change. If there is something portable from Linux to OS/2, then we do have a few very talented people who may be coerced into doing the port. But not enough of them to maintain Odin at the level it needs to be at.  :'(
Damn :C


No, not really... with Linux gaining momentum, eCS can as well... since it is pretty easy to get Linux software running under OS/2 (and Linux ports fly under OS/2 just like they do under Linux... that's where KMP, mPlayer, and I think SIM came from).
Yeah, all decent applications, they feel lacking though. They need a PM native GUI interface, right now, they just feel slapped on, and they are.

Again, easily changeable... with WPSWizard and xWorkplace in the new version of eCS, it'll hardly be dated in appearance - and yet keep the functionality and extendability that the Windows UI STILL lacks. That was something else I didnt understand... MS has a license to use the OS/2 GUI code in whole or part... they could have at least grabbed the part that handles shortcuts, and pop-up menu extendability... yet they didnt and that part of Windows is still broken... from Win95 till now.
Yeah, I like many things about OS/2, but I greatly dislike not having a persistent navigable window with back/foward. Im too used to it, and its a pain for me to not have it in OS/2.

But getting far better pretty quickly. Soon virtually every network card, (already) most video cards, (already) most sound cards, (already) virtually any hard drive mobo chipset, (soon) virtually every printer, (already) many scanners.
Not the cards Im looking at. Panorama makes no metion of Nvidia cards, and Snap stopped after the 6600 for Nvidia. Im intel/Nvidia all the way, so I feel like Im kinda stuck.

Suggest open source Linux apps to be ported... there is a pretty good porting team here. Check the forums for a list of ones already suggested.
Donno enough about Linux, only used Ubuntu for a few days, then went back to eCS. My base is Windows, so the apps I will want will be from there, for better or worse.

Heh... YOU apologize? Like *I* didnt ramble on in my last post? I will accept your apology for rambling if you accept mine for rambling... hows that?  ;D
-Robert
Accepted.
So Odin is a yes, but I still donno how/if post a bounty? Does it need one?

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ODIN / Re: Current Status of the ODIN OS/2 Project
« on: 2007.10.11, 12:50:48 »
What are you using to decompress files under Windows? Using eZip and (the latest) unzip, I find OS/2 is equally as fast. On JFS it flies. On HPFS, there is a little more overhead and a bit more delays. Try JFS for your data and app partitions... will increase speed greatly (or HPFS386 if you have it, which is nearly as good).
Using JFS, love it :)
Easily fixable with WPSWizard or Styler/2 and some new icons (IconThemer to change them all globally, or manually change the templates).
Have WPSWizard, have IconThemes, and have Styler/2 (I use the full install of the eCS 2.0 betas which include all except WPSWizard). OS/2 is still lacking a decent anti-aliasing engine and the icons aren't as pretty as XP can be. I hear that maybe will change with a Cairo icon rendering engine.

Yes. But both OS's have those problems... though in different areas. Some Windows ports (Firefox, OpenOffice) can make the UI sluggish when printing or saving. While some native OS/2 replacement apps (Lucide) fly in comparison to their comparable Windows counterparts (Acrobat). Windows though will bog down during AV or AntiSpyware scans, and doesnt multithread nearly as well.
I suppose it can lag during AV scans, but thats usually in my down-time. Lucide is an amazing application. I really want it for windows, I hate acrobat :\

If you haven't already, install CAD (latest version on Hobbes - very easy to install). Then simply hit CTRL-ALT-DEL and kill the offending app - no restart required. This works for almost every app. Also...
- Go into System Setup
- Open System
- Go to User Interface Tab
- Make sure Asynchronous Focus Change is enabled
- Set the time to something low (5 or so)

That will make OS/2 take focus away from a non-responding app in 1/2 a second (roughly). Simply hit CTRL-ESC or click on an empty area of the desktop or another open responding app, and the "hung" app will get a bigger grey border and be ignored till it starts responding.
The eCS 2.0 betas have CAD and TOP, and I make use of it. Regardless, many applications that hang can not be killed using TOP or CAD's window list using normal kill or hard kill. Most often, this requires a reboot. I have my focus change set at 5 already, and the apps that can have focus removed generally dont have issues being closed. Some lock up very hard though.

Nope, no Java. In the newest version, none at all if memory serves. Earlier releases used Java for certain things... but there isnt support for it in the 2.X releases under OS/2.
Good to know. Are we going to be getting a full native port soon? Or is it still going to be a Windows port?

Yes and no. It is the way that the Windows calls are being re-mapped to OS/2's GDI. I think from having talked to some of the guys working on it, it's because it keeps calling Win_Invalidate_Rect and redrawing. I posted tips elsewhere in this forum on how to speed it up (delays Firefox's redraws, which makes it quite a bit more responsive). As for skins, certain skins will slow it to a crawl. I am using FormalGnome v2.0.5 which I find to be one of the faster ones. Everything is faster (page loads, tab switching, responsiveness) over many other skins I have tried. Why? I dont know - I think it is the same problem though. Especially with the skins that do timed menu displays and/or transparencies... with redraws being requested continuously (instead of when needed) it bogs things down.
Yeah, for that reason I just keep the normal skin and no add-ons. Seamonkey doesnt bog down as much, so it gets the updated sea-monkey skin thats included.

Check Hobbes for a JFS defrag tool (though I thought there was one with OS/2 - never used it though). My laptop is going on 5 years no reinstall. This machine is on 2 (which is when I got it). My laptop locks rarely (Firefox being the cause). This machine is problematic (dying hardware). My Netfinity Server (7000 M10) has never crashed, and serves 8 different websites, SQL and FTP 24/7.
I thought I checked, but Im stupid so I will check again. This computer has some strange lock-ups with random things, most notably the debug code that Marty Amodeo uses in his test versions of MrMessage, which makes it very hard for me to help test it out and give him suggestions. I think it may be bad RAM, but who knows.

Indeed, and we cant do without them.  :D
Indeed not :) Now, If I could share them all between Windows and OS/2... Utopia.

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