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Article Discussions / Re: Open Office for eCS-OS/2 2.4 Beta1
« on: 2008.03.20, 07:34:45 »
Up until I switched out to a X1650 I had been using a Matrox G400Max in my gaming machine and it was actually performing quite well.  (I had hacked the drivers to do some things they shouldn't).  Though anytime a VIA (cyrix) chip beats anything in a benchmark it is a cold day in hell.

Well Robert, in light of CPUs like Intel's Quad Core Extreme, or even the "modest" Dual-Core e6850, my CPU is basically nothing more than a Casio Calculator Watch. Its sad when the VIA C7- (2.0ghz) [VIA CPUs are considered to be miserably slow by today's standards] beats my CPU out by 30,000 points in a benchmarking utility. I also have slooow RAM (PC2100, blegh) with no Dual-Channel support, and a slow FSB of 533mhz. I am also crippled by IDE and AGP 4x bus, all coming together to make a computer that gets larfed at by anything else around.

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Article Discussions / Re: Open Office for eCS-OS/2 2.4 Beta1
« on: 2008.03.20, 07:30:05 »
Would love to know why it starts so quickly here though.

3 seconds from click to open and usable.

On macOS on a G5 PPC mac with 1gb ram it takes 1 min for the window to apear, and then 45seconds to render the UI.

Haha, thanks :) I don't do anything intensive under eCS, so I would hope that my (admittedly modest in modern times) hardware will be enough. I mean, I can run Crysis, F.E.A.R, Half-Life 2, etc etc, so I really get rather miffed when an office application takes longer to open than a high-end game like Team Fortress 2. ??? Call me crazy, I know, but still :P

Admittedly modest?!?!?!?!  >:(

 ;D  ;D  ;D

Other than my servers, all my workstations would thus be categorized as "admittedly ancient"  ;D My fastest was an Intel 845 series mobo with a P4 2.8 - then I decided to turn it into a backup server and file server... leaving my current fastest as this machine with a whoppingly fast AMD Athlon 1.1GHz CPU and 512MB memory.

As for how long it takes to open... doesnt bother me... gives me an excuse to switch to Firefox and read slashdot.org or here or startreknewvoyages.com for just a few minutes longer.

 ;)

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Would love to get a copy of this game.. would also love for someone to figure out why SimCity 2000 fails to load with newest snap and 1600x1200 display..

Actually.. lol.. I think I know what code needs to be patched on it, I'm guessing it must calculate the starting window size based on the desktop, and it is making a screen too large for the game to manage..  I wouldn't mind being constrainted to a 1024x768 window.. I would just like the thing to start.

I wonder what Links would do.  I even OWN a copy of links, however all my OS/2 software was stolen along with a few development machines when my apartment was broken into (almost 10 years ago).

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Think either would be about as likely as every wish I ever had for OS/2 to come true tomorrow. =) 

Lol :C I think an OpenGL enviro from scratch would be more likely, and more useful.

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Now that we have totally hijacked this thread...
I actually never notice the "loading" screen at all.  Even in firefox 2 it just flashes by so quickly I never even notice it.  I do however notice it on my iphone while loading the classic gmail site (safari on iphone is a slow rendering dog).


Wow.. I just installed Firefox3 RC4 and it is quite amazing compared to my last experience with it.  The font rendering is amazing and does seem much quicker then firefox 2  (though the first load I had a sticky window resize glitch which made me kill it and reopen to fix it). 

Watch gMail load ("Loading..." screen) in comparison... unless you have a decently fast machine, you should notice it takes less than half the time...

I have found a few CSS/HTML styles it honors differently than FF2 though... but other than that, I am looking forward to GA and some plugins... at least UnPlug and FireFTP and DownloadStatusBar (and a skin or two).

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Article Discussions / Re: Open Office for eCS-OS/2 2.4 Beta1
« on: 2008.03.20, 07:22:55 »
Please don't spout that propaganda those russians that coded panorama have put out.  Panorama's performance is no where near that of a full accelerated driver.  Shadow buffer is no replacement for acceleration and most SNAP drivers actually make use of it as well.  

Obviously your initial start up time shows that someone is definitely a bit wonky.  What JFS settings are you using? Though read time should be about the same no matter how you have it configured.  Are you using the newest DANI driver?  Possibly get some drive throughput benchmarks from sysbench.  I had a problem a few months ago and found that my 32bit access was disabled by default in my bios (which was a bit odd, but I have confirmed with other machines with the same board they all shipped this way)  my bootup time went from 3mins to 32 seconds.  I'm not saying that is it, but it is possible that your disk drivers are failing to initalize in the correct mode.

Thanks for the general hardware hints, but I am fully aware of all these things, you forget I am a gamer and I build my rig from scratch :P Unfortunately, yes, I am using Panorama, but with Shadow Buffer On (performance akin to SNAP with Accel for most things). I know scrolling will be slow, but I'm not referencing that. I am using eCS 2.0 RC4 on a JFS drive, 8gb, WD IDE with UDMA 5/PIO4. My machine specs are in my sig, I have plenty of RAM. I'm commenting on the very long startup time VS OO for Windows, and how unresponsive the menus are, and how generally sluggish the program strikes me as being. If indeed this is a native app, then it by no means should be this pokey. I was under the impression it was hobbled by being emulated, but apparently this is not the case. Oh well, its the only option we have, but thats no reason to be complacent.

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I know the official word is that it may cause data loss on partitions which weren't formatted with the new system.  That being said I have 2 500GB drives which housed my MP3 collection in my old server.  The motherboard went south on me and I moved them to my workstation without thinking about it.  I have not experienced any data loss.  Perhaps someone from Serenity might chime in on this one, or maybe you should start a new topic so it can generate more feedback.

I can confirm that I have seen this under IBM JFS and I do not have this problem with openJFS (bootable jfs from RC4).  However I also made a hardware change which required me purchasing new memory, the older memory was being used on a development machine for a few weeks and proved to be faulty.  so I am not sure if it was crashing due to IBM JFS or if it was crashing due to bad memory (and possibly buggy cache management).

Which brings me to a few questions.... I'm not using JFS to boot from (nor plan on), but I do believe I need to update JFS. I have a version of IBM JFS from either 2004 or 2005 (latest one release).

I was considering updating to either the latest IBM JFS or Open JFS - but am very hesitant because I've got a few hundred gigs of files I dont want to lose (nor spend the time archiving - as many are used and locked by the server daemons and would require them to be shut down the entire time the files are being archived).

So my fear is, if I upgrade to the latest IBM JFS or to OpenJFS - can I expect to have data and partitions when I am done?

And the final question I had is... which is the better upgrade path? Performance wise? Stability wise? -and are there prerequisites (like the 1.104a kernel?) - and does the OpenJFS version have all the SMP concerns worked out? (I seem to remember that the early IBM JFS did not play well with SMP - even though it was supposed to utilize and benefit from SMP).


Thanks Robert or anyone else who has suggestions...
Robert

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Wow.. I just installed Firefox3 RC4 and it is quite amazing compared to my last experience with it.  The font rendering is amazing and does seem much quicker then firefox 2  (though the first load I had a sticky window resize glitch which made me kill it and reopen to fix it). 

Amusingly enough it was gmail that I had left opened, however I don't recieve a whole lot of mail on the account in question.  I have not yet tried firefox3  I used an earlier build but had abandoned it due to lack of plugin support.

I'm wondering it it is gMail causing that (with it's continuous background operations) thus calling tons of redraws through IFE thus causing it to eventually crash - all the while either IFE or some part of Firefox is using more space (caching the ever changing gMail data possibly? as if I manually kept loading page after page?)

Not sure... though I do know FF3b3 handles gMail a lot nicer (and a LOT quicker).

-Rob

I stopped using it for now because of lack of plugins as well - and also found it seems to screw with some things in FF2 - so when I went back to that, I was missing things like the home button, and had to go through all the "first setup" confirmations such as "you are about to leave a secure page..."

Waiting for the GA and plugins...

-Rob

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Amusingly enough it was gmail that I had left opened, however I don't recieve a whole lot of mail on the account in question.  I have not yet tried firefox3  I used an earlier build but had abandoned it due to lack of plugin support.

I'm wondering it it is gMail causing that (with it's continuous background operations) thus calling tons of redraws through IFE thus causing it to eventually crash - all the while either IFE or some part of Firefox is using more space (caching the ever changing gMail data possibly? as if I manually kept loading page after page?)

Not sure... though I do know FF3b3 handles gMail a lot nicer (and a LOT quicker).

-Rob

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You could try an alternative dialer such as injoy or ...  can't think of the name of it but was made by the people who coded safefire.



When i Tried to dialup to my isp with os/2 my username was too long. is there an updated version of the isp diler for os/2 warp 3 connect

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Strange to support the development of the 3d programming enviroment when we still have no 3d support.  Perhaps someone at IBM could "leak" a copy of the very outdated open GL HW accelerate drivers they created and let someone go to town on them =) 
Yeah!!!  Open GL 1.1!!!



Supporting thread for the Alice 3D programming environment Port Bounty.

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I can confirm that I have seen this under IBM JFS and I do not have this problem with openJFS (bootable jfs from RC4).  However I also made a hardware change which required me purchasing new memory, the older memory was being used on a development machine for a few weeks and proved to be faulty.  so I am not sure if it was crashing due to IBM JFS or if it was crashing due to bad memory (and possibly buggy cache management).

Dear all,

On one or two different systems, running an application that cause heavy intensive disk I/O, I am experiencing a hang. Thereafter, a full JFS CHKDSK is performed on my E volumes (JFS) that takes nearly an hour.

I seem to recall an ancient problem that heavy JFS I/O could cause a hang - but this problem still seems to be with us.

Anyone else seen this? Any suggestions? Will Serenity JFS likely have the same issue?

I am using IBM JFS 14.105

Thanks,
Moby

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You defiantly have some interesting hardware there.  IFE has never made my system fail to boot, though it has made it fail to run firefox before (though oddly enough other apps which used it worked fine).  I don't get any massive memory leaking if I leave firefox open, I've done so for weeks (while I was on vacation).  I would love to know why this happens on some systems and doesn't on others.  Especially since I have a big project planned and I am slowing starting to flip flop from OS/2 to XP for the platform of choice.  Most of the end user interaction will be done through browser and I really need a stable browser and while firefox/2 is more stable then any browser I have used it seems to have problems on others peoples systems (and the hardware I am using isn't easily reproducible today)   Obviously I want to come to the bottom of this since I will be providing the hardware and technical support for the project. 

I wasnt sure what the cause was - but that does seem to fit with past experiences... some "auto-killable" Firefox issues (when it crashes all by itself - but is restartable) end up having no IFE support... but at the same time, other than non-anti-aliased fonts, FF seems to run with no further crashes, and without leaking nearly as much memory.

I find running FF with the version of IFE on this machine, if I leave it up with a few tabs open (but do nothing with it), and leave for a number of hours, I am almost always guaranteed to come back and find the machine has no physical memory left - and the swap file is growing in use massively. I have not seen that issue without IFE open (I dont think I have seen it with the other version of IFE - but that one wont install on this machine - at least not in a way that leaves the machine bootable... trying to install it leaves me in a situation where I am guaranteed to never see the desktop again - until I boot to command prompt and remove the IFE files (or replace them with the old version).

-Robert


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Article Discussions / Re: Open Office for eCS-OS/2 2.4 Beta1
« on: 2008.03.20, 06:50:07 »
DOH! I completely forgot about that.  All my hardware is SATA, and with 2GB I hardly ever get any swapping.  In fact my swapper has stayed at its initial size since I installed ecs.  It is amazing to me how many people I know who built their own machines and put the HD and cdrom on the same controller.  I personally always keep my opticals on seperate channels if I can, copying from an IDE DVD-ROM to a IDE DVD-R is no fun if they are on the same controller channel.


Oooh... I forgot a suggestion that may impact performance in OO and other apps (not Ceres - it uses it's own temp paths - which you can and should configure to use a JFS volume)... but I also move the swap file AND all temp directories to a JFS drive. Does wonders when a machine either (a) starts to swap to the swap file and/or (b) starts writing temp files to disk.

Having different disks on different controllers is a great way of speeding things up even more... IIRC, OS/2 can simultaneously do multiple concurrent disk writes - but two IDE drives on the same chain do not support such. SATA I think should since each is on it's own "controller".

And a final tech note... do NOT connect your IDE drive to the same ribbon cable as your optical drive (unless by some miracle you have an optical drive that supports ATA133 and the rest of the feature set the IDE HDD does)... doing so is a great way of slowing down the performance of the IDE HDD. It is better to have two IDE HDDs on the same cable than to have one sharing a cable with an optical drive. I dont recall exactly which feature that the HDD has (that the optical one doesnt) that is not usable in such a configuration - but it is a performance related one. As far as I have read, it was never fully rectified...

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Hardware / Re: Resource.sys trap - eCS 2.0 RC4
« on: 2008.03.20, 06:47:01 »
I'm guessing this was from a cold boot?  I know that sometimes XP can mess things up if you do a warm boot. 

It's strange that you didn't change anything and are experiencing this problem, do you know if you have the machine setup to do a full hardware scan at every boot or not?

Hi

I successfully installed a dual boot system (boot manager) on a Lenovo Thinkpad T61 (with Intel Centrino Pro). Both OS where working fine, but on the last days I had been unable to load eComStation.

When I choose eCS from the Boot manager menu, it starts and trap on resource.sys.

Exception in Module: Resource
Trap 0003
Syslevel is 14.104a.SMP

Does anybody has any tip on what to move/change to try to fix this resource.sys trap ?


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