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Applications / Re: SIO2K - Need some Help
« on: 2009.12.12, 13:54:45 »
Hi

I contacted Ray Gwinn, the SIO2K developer. He wants to turn SIO2K open source, but need some help to remove some dependencies and make some clean up of the code. Also he needs some help to clean up also the development enviroment.

If anybody wants to help please contact me.

Martin

I send you a private email Martin. With a CC to Steve Levine let me know via rwklein@mensys.nl if you received it.

Thanks

Roderick

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So now I'm stuck with the annoying copy protection screen when I found my old CD and reinstalled the game... Any help?

I know I have a vested interested, we  (Mensys) still have shrink wrapped copies in stock :-)
http://shop.mensys.nl/cgi-bin/db2www/mns_art2.d2w/report?catname=GALCIV&username=&i1=

Roderick Klein
Mensys

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Article Discussions / Re: OpenSNAP geplant/OpenSNAP planned
« on: 2009.12.09, 14:51:51 »
Sorry for the bump, but after several months, I was wondering if anything more had been heard on this front? Will SNAP's new owners keep Scitech's promise to open the source or have they decided to be jerks and break the promise?

I would need to check again with Altrichmont where we stand (Mensys).

BTW I could be wrong but was it not Scitech that would open source SNAP. I don't know what the statement was from Altrichmond. And in this type of cases its better to have a name of somebody that stated there are willing to open source.

Mensys was in touch with them and we still needed to work out details how to deal with the code. But lets just say it will not be done free or charge. From what I remember a developer would need to split off the code thats OS/2 specific.  That would come with a price tage.

Roderick Klein
Mensys
So OpenSNAP is dead before it was even born? If Mensys is planning on taking up the code and developing it as either payware or as an eCs-only closed source driver kit, it would certainly seem that way... C'est la vie, I guess.

Mensys needs to go back to Altrichmond and see what we can do. If Altrichmond would stick to the statement Scitech made about opensnap, don't know. But Altrichmond is a different company and Scitech basically had to close down because of lack of business from what I remember reading on statements on the website.

Roderick Klein
Mensys

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Open Bounties / Re: OS/2 native port of Java 6
« on: 2009.12.09, 14:47:44 »
Hi Roderick

But the question still remains.

If nobody puts a Price Tag, how do we know how much to raise to see the Odinized Java version available (on this case)?

Is Mensys interested on making a Odinized Java version available ? Or Mensys don't want to get into developement projects because the experience with OpenOffice?

Here is the problem. I can not mention projects with price tags and who worked on what for Mensys.
But when it comes to a price tag, developer X costs for project y lets say $5000. Developer Z costs for the same project $10.000. Right now I don't realy have a skilled developer on the table who can do the work.
But he should be avaaliable later to work on this.

For us such bounty systems, where you put a fixed price on something won't work. Silvan got the deal with Dimitri but he knew what Dimitri would cost and how much money was needed.

We are interested in doing a Java build then again if somebody from the community would be willing to step forward. That would be great! That would save us some work :-)

Roderick Klein
Mensys

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Abandonware / Re: Whatever happened to Sundial?
« on: 2009.12.09, 14:42:23 »
They seem to have disappeared from the Web and a search on Google reveals that the owner died back in 2007. Who would I talk to about possibly getting their stuff released as freeware? Has anybody already tried and been rebuffed. Is the stuff still sold in some dusty corner of the Internet that I don't know of? Inquiring minds want to know.

Mensys is in touch with the Carla, she was married to Randell Flint. We are working in the long term to get as many products back as possible and some development done by third parties. Right now however this is not being worked on as Mensys is busy with eCS and Open Office.

Roderick Klein
Mensys
Would this be for a commercial re-rerelease or for a free/open rerelease? Either would be an improvement over the current situation, but for the impecunius (such as myself) the second would be preferable. ;)

That all depends on how it goes. Some projects might be free of charge, it also depends on the license agreement we get with Sundial systems. With that I mean if we can open sourcing depends on the contracts Sundial Systems might have with other owners of which they took over technology from!

Some products might be free of charge or we could work with a bundell model where people pay and we can have paid developers do work.

First lets get the products transfered and then we can look at what is possible.

Back to eCS 2.0 work here.

Roderick Klein
Mensys

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Setup & Installation / Re: Installing OS/2 4.52 on QEMU...
« on: 2009.12.08, 19:15:46 »
A way of having eCS on Linux? The hint page posted by sXwamp should help even if it is for winblows QEMU. Has anybody some experience with eCS on Linux using QEMU?

Well grab virtual box, you need CPU virtualsation (van der pool) its in almost ever recent duo core CPU this is special hardware support for virtual machines. Grab eCS 2.0 silver release this should install just fine with virtualbox on Linux (if you have this hardware virtualsation support!)

Roderick Klein
Mensys

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Setup & Installation / Re: Installing OS/2 4.52 on QEMU...
« on: 2009.12.08, 19:11:39 »
I've gotten Warp 4 running before without any real problems. My question was more specifically about 4.52, which doesn't seem to play quite so nicely with qemu... Also, what I have is the IBM release of 4.52, not any of the eCS modded versions.

I can't remeber what it was but something between Warp 4 and MCP got modified in the IBM1S506.ADD driver and/or the OS2DASD subsystem, that why Warp 4 used to work in some VM's and MCP not.

Roderick Klein
Mensys

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Article Discussions / Re: OpenSNAP geplant/OpenSNAP planned
« on: 2009.12.08, 19:08:14 »
Roderick

Here it is the link.

http://www.os2world.com/content/view/17898/2/

The source of that news was Steve Wendt.

Thanks but now comes the nit picking. Alt richmond never released such statement that I can remember.
But I could be wrong...
I need to keep better track of a lot of the stuff I work on but some much stuff goes over my desk.
In other words I don't know if Alt richmond released ever such statement as Scitech has done.

Roderick Klein
Mensys

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Open Bounties / Re: OS/2 native port of Java 6
« on: 2009.12.08, 19:04:46 »
I consider that an OpenJDK port will be more usefull than a Odinized (sorry for making Odin a verb here) version of JRE for Windows.

Why?

First, because OpenJDK is open source (under GNU GPL V2 license), that means that the code will be shared and various developers can chip in and no one will have the exclusive control of an OpenJDK build for eCS-OS2.
Ex: If the main developer of OpenJDK dies then other can continue with the job. No company will have exclusive control on telling us how to use OpenJDK or try to restrict us to use it.

While making the Windows JRE to work on OS/2 means that, possible one day Oracle/Sun can change the license to forbide this, or stop giving the Windows JRE for free. This can not happen with OpenJDK (license GNU GPL). But I understand that an Odinized JRE will be a good workarround to have something fast, but it will not be a good solution thinking in the long term.

The second thing is that I prefer having a native port of the JRE. Possible Odin can work fine, but it gaves a better performance to have a native port.

The third point is a doubt that I have. Is the Innotek pack for making Odinized applications complete open source?  I haven't seen any documentation on how to make Odinized OS/2 applications arround, like for exmaple how the Odinized Acrobat was produced.  I think that Netlabs made some agreement with Innotek to get this technology before the Sun deal, but I'm just especulating, since I don't know how that ended. If anybody can give me some lights on this point it will be apreciated.

Roderick, about the Bounties, I share with you that is not being effective. But I think that if you share a problem with the community, it is a good idea to share also a possible solution so we can evaluate them. Or you just want us to close the bounty system definitive ? or if you have a better idea how to raise more money and not only a hundred of dollars, please let us know.

Possible to make a positive change on the Bounty system it is required to contact more developers and ask them how much money sounds good enought for them to be involved on making any of the Software ports proposed. And later anounce a target for the Bounty and let people know there is a developer interested if we reach $XX target.

So the Question for this Bounty is:

1) Which Developers are interested on making the OpenJDK port for eCS-OS2?
2) How much money is required to raise to make this port a reality? And later contact all the people in the community interested to Chip in for it.

So Roderick, the questions to Mensys are:

1) Is Mensys interested on this Bounty to port OpenJDK to eCS-OS2 ? Allowing access to the Binaries and Source Code complete ?
2) How much money do Mensys required to make the port possible ?

If there is interest we will see if we can raise enought money for this. And also thinking in the long term that eCS will have a native, open source, and free Java Runtime Enviroment to be included on it and can add more value to eCS.

Regards.

Martin.



It has been a while since I checked all of the Java stuff. The good stuff of the ODIN code is that it requires less work per build. I know the advantages of getting Java compiling native, that is not an ODIN build.


About the bounty system ? You don't have to close it down. Its just that

How much money is needed to get a current Java build ? I don't know. This depends on the developer of course and the road choosen! If you take the current ODIN code we have that is being updated to support Flash then that could be a done for maybe a few thousand dollars.

I don't know how much work would be needed to get JAVA working as a native port. With Open Office a lot of the old OS/2 code was still floating around CVS. So that made live easier, it was still a big job.

Price tag ? It depends who you can find todo the work. Or if we can find a team of volunteers. But as was written in this thread by Silvan, its going to be a lot of work. I'm not holding my breath for a volunteer to do this work. I know how much time our Open Office Developer needs to keep up! Its not a small operation :-)

That is I don't want to dis-curriage anybody to try and work on such a project in his spare time. The estimate is just that its going to chunk of work. How big that chunk is don't know.

So the price tag would depend on the developer. Could he do it as  labour of love and for a lower price, is he from a country where lets say 1000 Dollars a month is a lot of money. Or is somebody from the US that just needs the full price paid per hour.

Roderick Klein
Mensys

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Article Discussions / Re: OpenSNAP geplant/OpenSNAP planned
« on: 2009.12.08, 18:37:41 »
Sorry for the bump, but after several months, I was wondering if anything more had been heard on this front? Will SNAP's new owners keep Scitech's promise to open the source or have they decided to be jerks and break the promise?

I would need to check again with Altrichmont where we stand (Mensys).

BTW I could be wrong but was it not Scitech that would open source SNAP. I don't know what the statement was from Altrichmond. And in this type of cases its better to have a name of somebody that stated there are willing to open source.

Mensys was in touch with them and we still needed to work out details how to deal with the code. But lets just say it will not be done free or charge. From what I remember a developer would need to split off the code thats OS/2 specific.  That would come with a price tage.

Roderick Klein
Mensys

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Abandonware / Re: Whatever happened to Sundial?
« on: 2009.12.08, 18:34:16 »
They seem to have disappeared from the Web and a search on Google reveals that the owner died back in 2007. Who would I talk to about possibly getting their stuff released as freeware? Has anybody already tried and been rebuffed. Is the stuff still sold in some dusty corner of the Internet that I don't know of? Inquiring minds want to know.

Mensys is in touch with the Carla, she was married to Randell Flint. We are working in the long term to get as many products back as possible and some development done by third parties. Right now however this is not being worked on as Mensys is busy with eCS and Open Office.

Roderick Klein
Mensys

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Hi osw

I totally agree that a boot volume should be operating system - plus maybe a few system related addons eg xwp, cups - and data and apps should be on different volume(s) as it allows upgrading the os with minimal fuss.

I cannot agree about chkdsk being quick on jfs though... are you thinki9ng of the chkdsk that funs at boot? That only checks the state of the filesystem flag; it does not perform a chkdsk unless that flag is set "dirty".

You may be right that chkdsk on jfs is quicker than on hpfs for the same size volumes but I doubt it is by much. I do not have a hpfs volume of any size available to test that though...


Regards

Pete





JFS works more advanced it does not perform a chkdsk until the dirty flag is set. Then if it is dirty it checks its replay log see if everything is OK. If it finds its  journal log is bust or not reliable for what ever reason it performs a full 8 phase chkdsk on the volume.

Roderick Klein
Mensys

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The DVD drive recognized by a HW info tools says:
Drive Model "HP CDDVDW TS-L633M"
Drive Revision "0301"


I'm thinking more about the SATA controller, since you can't turn the compatibility mode on the BIOS. Possible that's why it don't recognize the DVD.

Since this is a laptop, was the DVD driver not delivered with the laptop ? Setting the BIOS to compability or mode or not will not matter. What I meant in my previous postings is that when you get this error message no DANIS506.add is even loaded or OS/2 is not even active what so ever. From what I'm reading I get the impression you think OS/2 is active.

This OS2CSM stuff was done by Veit Kannegeiser and its a kind of mini OS that reads the kernel etc from the diskette images on CD. This is unpacked to RAM disk in memory.  But when this error message occurs nothing of OS/2 is loaded.

Saijin_Naib I did see you mention the DANIS506.ADD driver. Its none related in this case since OS/2 is not loaded.

That the CD Martin also worked inside a Virtual Machine is not a warranty it works the same as booted on real hardware. Since under an OS loaded and then a VM accesing the CD it will do this in a different fashion then when booting via the BIOS.

Roderick Klein
Mensys


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Open Bounties / Re: OS/2 native port of Java 6
« on: 2009.12.03, 19:11:28 »
Regarding OpenJDK: It seems works quite nicely on the 64 bit version of Ubuntu 9.10, also in Firefox 3.5.

Well, face it, folks. OS/2 will not see another native port of Java. Golden Code will not provide the source of their native port and resources are few. However, the port of Flash 10 will result in a much updated Odin. This should make creating and updating an Odin-based port possible--and hopefully also ironing out the issues that existed with Innotek's Java ports.

What if?,,, only what if you could put a price on a port.
More than 4000 signed to open the source of OS/2. 10 buck would bring 40000, maybe we could start by adding money to a bounty.
How many people would be willing to pay to update Java? I know I would.
We should go over the idea in our heads. Of course if there is any millionare on the list willing to give away some money, please contact me or Martin and who knows maybe we have a port after all. ;)

Thanks.

From my point of the view the bounty system is something that sadly is not working. With that I mean is that everywhere the price of people there spare time is going up.  About 10 years ago some people outside Western Europe/North America could work for a low rate. But as far as I can tell the bounties don't fetch enough to make people interested. But I could be wrong.  From what I'm seeing prices are going up.

Thats why a lot of stuff can only be done with more money then just a few hundred dollars.

On the topic of Java, Mensys is aware of this issue and the its on the list just like Flash we are working on (its being updated as well Flash to go to a more stable build).

Our developer is working slowly in the background to move forward on Java based on ODIN.
But we don't make any promises of a public release in the next few months. It might accelrate
suddenly. But we don't have anything useful on the table.

Roderick Klein
Mensys

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Well this is either a crappy BIOS in the machine or its a bug in OS2CSM or the CD is somehow burned to fast.
Don't know. Open a bug in the eCS but tracker with the information you posted here.

Roderick Klein
Mensys

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