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Messages - EugeneGorbunoff

#16
Networking / Re: InJoy Firewall... Dead?
2012.01.10, 22:20:05
The usage of PC is changing..

Today every user, every office is connected to Internet via Router with firewall.
The need in InJoy Firewall is minimal. The company should create new product to survive.
#18
I look at the spreadsheet with the list of OSS software,
I see some medium *native* opensource programs: Cameraderie, Doodle screensaver.
(ex-shareware: PM123, WO!, ..)
So, there are examples of native opensource programs. It's an exclusion! :)



My main idea:

1) eCS (OS/2) is alive thanks to the developers of shareware / commercial apps.
(and alive thanks to porting of open source software).
* This developers can spend some time to free/open source apps
* The resellers can sponsor free/opensource development

2) Major part of new complex features and applications will be shareware (closed source) by default
(and free / open source if somebody pays real money to the developer).

3) Money is the fuel for developer. You can run on internal resource
during 1 or 3 monthes and create small program.
To develop medium or large program you need real fuel.


Conclusion:
No need to discriminate eCS apps with closed source.
Major part of *native* apps will be closed.
Major part of new significant changes in User interface will be closed.
Because there is no sponsor, no external sponsor. No bank which can support the developers.
Any developer which starts work on UI or other complex program,
will distribute the extension as shareware. Because the development
and debugging of native program requires hundreds of hours.
This is my opinion.
#19
I like open-source approach, I like open-source programs. I agree that it may give impulse for development. I understand that opensource projects can make money on support, etc.

But I can't remember,
do we have open source products developed in OS/2 / eCS?
#20
I want tell that:

1) "opensource" is a good approach, of course.

2) of course, we got thousands of open source apps and libs from linux. Because IBM & Co paid for the opensourcing. They are using the solutions for large business.

3) eComStation market is a separate village. What do you see? We don't have native open source apps, libs and technologies. Because we don't have the "God", which pays for everything. Which compensates the expenses of the developers.

Don't expect to get open source *native* apps. There is no economical reason and conditions to develop open source native apps.

Notes:
* yes, there are native open source utilities. But the developers don't opensource medium apps with a "technology" inside
* XWorkplace is native. It's opensource because Serenity/Mensys paid enough money for the development.
#21
Do you have more examples of open source native software in addition to
xWorkplace, WarpIn, Newview ?
I can't remember.
#22
I can't remember,
do we have open source products developed for OS/2 only
by OS/2 engineer (developer) with a technology inside?
#23
It's good that your text contains many screenshots, and pics from other OSes.


yes, all this topics are actual.

Main barrier - no financial resources to complete the projects related to UI.

eCo Software made the same research and we discussed this topics too.
http://ecomstation.ru/ui
(russian texts)

* Icons - Sunny icons are ready

* Launchpad - Piano Launchpad is ready


Other projects are frozen:

* eSchemes

* Copy/Move dialog

* New Task list (eCenter)


Other:

* Boot logo - you can't change this. This code is implemented in the kernel.
#24
1) +++ API - eCo Software toolkit is under construction

2) killer application - nobody knows what application to create.
Step One: what area to dig?

3) +++ useful apps - collecting in eCo Market

4) thirdparty companies don't want invest money into eCS market.
Step One: Mensys should publish long-term plan again.

5) ecosystem - we don't have
#25
Hardware / Re: Graphics card
2011.12.03, 22:07:20
The site seems dead. They are selling eCS 2.0 RC and beta.
#26
Good idea. We always repeat that it's necessary include N additional applications to eCS.
What to do without this N applications? Keep the folders/directories empty?
#27

> Martín Itúrbide wrote:
> - Uniaud is open source. It can be used respecting the open source license.
> - SNAP turned to freeware some years ago.
> - xWorkplace is open source under GNU GPL license.
> - USB 2011 drivers are free for download at hobbes.
> - Intel LAN driver is also open source.

yes, yes, yes, yes, yes


> Eugene, It doesn't matter who paid for that ports, when it is open source you can use it
> respecting the open source license. No matter which OS it is, you can even port it to Windows
> and use it legally.

yes


> Eugene, is your reply part of your "eCS pirating paranoia" or just want to give credit to eComStation ?

yes, I just want to give credit to eComStation.

"eCS pirating paranoia" - I don't understand what you mean. OS/2 World Forum moderators are protecting the developers of eCS shareware applications. I don't have claims.

#28
Quote from: Pete on 2011.03.28, 18:28:59
SNAP was never developed for eComStation. eComStation purchased a license to include a "cut down" version of the current SNAP build. The main difference is that with the full SNAP package you can simply power off the system change graphics card to a different card that has SNAP support and then boot without fannying around with the graphics driver. I would agree that it is possible that SNAP development would have stopped sooner than it did if eCS had not licensed it for inclusion in eCS.

Several versions of SNAP were released for eCS users during 2005 and 2006, we got contacts with Scitech to develop ACPI driver.
http://ecomstation.ru/commentnews.php?id=1230


Quote from: Pete on 2011.03.28, 18:28:59
xWorkPlace was not developed for eCS. eCS supplies eWorkPlace - a "cut down" version of xWorkPlace. I prefer to *not* install eWorkPlace during an eCS install and add in xWorkPlace after the eCS install has finished - and I doubt that I am the only person who does that.

No, XWorkPlace was developed by the order of Serenity Systems. Is it based on XFolder class. The debugging of the extender continued during several years.

#29
I don't understand what is the goal?

Is it historical review of IBM OS/2 Warp? Then this experiments are valuable for the community.

What is the reason to mention (kick) eComStation every time? Why do you separate the system to: IBM OS/2 Warp part and eComStation part? eComStation is a modification OS/2 Warp of 2011.
It's like compare John from kindergarden (1996) and school (2011). Both versions of John are good. John 2011 fully depends on John 1996. John 1996 doesn't exist anymore, he morphed to John 1997.

Again,
1) Sound - do you use IBM drivers? Or Uniaud developed for eComStation?
2) SNAP? old SNAP or SNAP developed for eCS?
3) Exigen USB or USB 2011?
4) LAN, Wifi - we all know the history of network drivers
5) Old JFS or eCS JFS?
6) xWorkPlace - was developed for eComStation users from eComStation budget

etc.

Main question - are you going distribute the image? Or distribute the scripts to generate it?

And the second question - do you have documentation for your updates? SVN server?
#30
Ops, I see some programs from eComStation!