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#31
Article Discussions / Re: What is the future of this...
Last post by dryeo - 2012.09.28, 06:57:22
Quote from: Paul Smedley on 2012.09.28, 00:51:20
An example of a user who took my environment and ran with it, asking a lot of questions along the way, is Elbert Pol - who has now ported a shedload of apps for OS/2 - far more that I've done in recent times.

Elbert is a good example, he asks lots of questions. I'm often surprised how often I look at some development mailing list archives and there is Elbert asking something.

comp.os.os2.programing.porting is one place to ask questions.
#32
Article Discussions / Re: What is the future of this...
Last post by miturbide - 2012.09.28, 01:01:47
I think it may help if someone can write some article on the EDM/2 on how to set up Paul's environment.

I had used it to create a "hello world" command line program once, reading a very simple GCC online tutorial.

#33
Quote from: DougB on 2012.09.28, 00:03:20
QuoteI don't think anyone is asking you to stop doing what you are doing to write a manual.

I agree. Paul is not the one to write the manual. He developed his methods the hard way, learning as he went. That usually makes a person skip the obvious, simply because it is obvious (to him). What we need, is somebody to go through the procedure, asking questions along the way, and documenting what needed to be done, and why. I am sure that there are enough people who have done the basics, that we should be able to answer questions, and get something to work.

Any volunteers?

And I quote.... "I have Paul's environment and it still doesn't set me on going. Its too short, an example program to do yourself and how to might help a lot"

An example of a user who took my environment and ran with it, asking a lot of questions along the way, is Elbert Pol - who has now ported a shedload of apps for OS/2 - far more that I've done in recent times.
#34
Article Discussions / Re: What is the future of this...
Last post by DougB - 2012.09.28, 00:03:20
QuoteI don't think anyone is asking you to stop doing what you are doing to write a manual.

I agree. Paul is not the one to write the manual. He developed his methods the hard way, learning as he went. That usually makes a person skip the obvious, simply because it is obvious (to him). What we need, is somebody to go through the procedure, asking questions along the way, and documenting what needed to be done, and why. I am sure that there are enough people who have done the basics, that we should be able to answer questions, and get something to work.

Any volunteers?
#35
Article Discussions / Re: What is the future of this...
Last post by ivan - 2012.09.27, 22:53:52
Hi Paul,

I don't think anyone is asking you to stop doing what you are doing to write a manual.  Myself, am very thankful for what you do - in fact I'm still using the port of Sigil you did.

What I would appreciate is the odd extra line in the readme giving the command you used to build the program - I always miss something when I attempt to build a program and being able to look at what someone has used and been successful with might be the thing that would help me to be successful as well.

I am a guilty as the next person in not thanking you and the others for the work you do for OS/2.  At 70 odd I plead forgetfulness most of the time but this time it is my heartfelt thanks.

ivan
#36
Applications / Re: WebDav and eComStation
Last post by Batchheizer - 2012.09.27, 13:12:51
Quote from: melf on 2012.09.27, 00:37:26
There is a command line client Cadaver on hobbes. That's all I found.
I've wrtiien an artikel about this a few years ago:
http://www.commtalk.org/cgi-bin/wwwthreads/showthreaded.pl?Cat=1,3,16&Board=os2review&Number=77595&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5
It's in German, but it may help to find other software.
#37
Quote from: Joop on 2012.09.22, 20:59:51
Quote from: DougB on 2012.09.22, 20:07:34
QuoteSo we have to invest in "how do you do that" in development

QuoteI also agree we need more information on porting software.

Paul Smedley actually released his whole build environment, and others have been using that to port things. I don't know what the details are now, I got the package when it first appeared, and it does work. I am pretty sure that you need to request the package, and possibly pay a modest fee, to get it now. The package does contain a very brief set of instructions on how to use it, but a user does have to do some serious digging, to learn how to go about porting software, especially when it won't build without modifying the code.

Unfortunately, it is probably not as simple as saying "do this..." with a set of instructions. Each program could require something different, so you would need a set of instructions for each program. The trick is, to get good enough at doing the job, that you can write your own instructions, but learning how to do it, is a lot of work.
I have Paul's environment and it still doesn't set me on going. Its too short, an example program to do yourself and how to might help a lot. And I'm willing to pay a humble fee for that, but it has to set me on the right track! Sorry, I don't agree with you. I even think that you can port automated programs because the things where the compilation hangs are always the same things. So you can publish these problems so we haven't to re-invent the wheel time after time. We need to work together, otherwise we can kiss OS/2 goodbye in the future.

I can either spend time writing a bunch of docs, or I can spend what little free time I have working on OS/2 related projects.

Or I can spend my time hacking away at my debian server.

I'm not terribly fussed either way...

The community is welcome to write some docs for my build environment - I'm even happy to include those docs with future editions of the disc (with a credit to whoever creates them).
#38
Quote from: DougB on 2012.09.22, 20:07:34
QuoteSo we have to invest in "how do you do that" in development

QuoteI also agree we need more information on porting software.

Paul Smedley actually released his whole build environment, and others have been using that to port things. I don't know what the details are now, I got the package when it first appeared, and it does work. I am pretty sure that you need to request the package, and possibly pay a modest fee, to get it now. The package does contain a very brief set of instructions on how to use it, but a user does have to do some serious digging, to learn how to go about porting software, especially when it won't build without modifying the code.

Unfortunately, it is probably not as simple as saying "do this..." with a set of instructions. Each program could require something different, so you would need a set of instructions for each program. The trick is, to get good enough at doing the job, that you can write your own instructions, but learning how to do it, is a lot of work.

http://os2ports.smedley.id.au/index.php?page=BuildEnvDVD for those that may be interested.  The disc contains a zip of my current build environment.
#39
Hardware / Re: eCS on Samsung Series 7 Sl...
Last post by rwklein - 2012.09.27, 00:53:14
Quote from: melf on 2012.09.26, 23:24:57
Well, the graphical marks as far as I can see seem to be extremely low. On my Thinkpad T43 the PM Marks is 118 with Panorama (compared to  454 with SNAP) which is really quite good. It has been some talk about bad MTRR values and Panorama (frankly I don't know what that is, but it seem to be able to badly affect Panorama performance, but should be possible to adjust I think).

MTRR is the magic word. And a lot of systems on which SNAP runs in VESA mode and is slow its the same thing.

Roderick
#40
Hardware / Re: eCS on Samsung Series 7 Sl...
Last post by Pete - 2012.09.27, 00:51:40
Hi Sigurd

It's so long since I joined the eCSTestTeam that I'm not sure how I did it... I think it was around the time that eCS1.2 was in beta.

I can only suggest that you contact Joachim joachim @ mensys.nl (remove spaces around the "@") and ask to be added to the eCSTestTeam mailing list. That way you can find out what is happening with various drivers under development.

Regards

Pete