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OS/2 Single Input Queue

Started by PAUL555, 2008.01.19, 12:54:10

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RobertM

Quote from: Robert Deed on 2008.03.20, 07:05:22
Amusingly enough it was gmail that I had left opened, however I don't recieve a whole lot of mail on the account in question.  I have not yet tried firefox3  I used an earlier build but had abandoned it due to lack of plugin support.

Quote from: RobertM on 2008.03.20, 07:03:19
I'm wondering it it is gMail causing that (with it's continuous background operations) thus calling tons of redraws through IFE thus causing it to eventually crash - all the while either IFE or some part of Firefox is using more space (caching the ever changing gMail data possibly? as if I manually kept loading page after page?)

Not sure... though I do know FF3b3 handles gMail a lot nicer (and a LOT quicker).

-Rob

I stopped using it for now because of lack of plugins as well - and also found it seems to screw with some things in FF2 - so when I went back to that, I was missing things like the home button, and had to go through all the "first setup" confirmations such as "you are about to leave a secure page..."

Waiting for the GA and plugins...

-Rob


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Robert Deed

Wow.. I just installed Firefox3 RC4 and it is quite amazing compared to my last experience with it.  The font rendering is amazing and does seem much quicker then firefox 2  (though the first load I had a sticky window resize glitch which made me kill it and reopen to fix it). 

Quote from: RobertM on 2008.03.20, 07:10:03
Quote from: Robert Deed on 2008.03.20, 07:05:22
Amusingly enough it was gmail that I had left opened, however I don't recieve a whole lot of mail on the account in question.  I have not yet tried firefox3  I used an earlier build but had abandoned it due to lack of plugin support.

Quote from: RobertM on 2008.03.20, 07:03:19
I'm wondering it it is gMail causing that (with it's continuous background operations) thus calling tons of redraws through IFE thus causing it to eventually crash - all the while either IFE or some part of Firefox is using more space (caching the ever changing gMail data possibly? as if I manually kept loading page after page?)

Not sure... though I do know FF3b3 handles gMail a lot nicer (and a LOT quicker).

-Rob

I stopped using it for now because of lack of plugins as well - and also found it seems to screw with some things in FF2 - so when I went back to that, I was missing things like the home button, and had to go through all the "first setup" confirmations such as "you are about to leave a secure page..."

Waiting for the GA and plugins...

-Rob

RobertM

Quote from: Robert Deed on 2008.03.20, 07:13:00
Wow.. I just installed Firefox3 RC4 and it is quite amazing compared to my last experience with it.  The font rendering is amazing and does seem much quicker then firefox 2  (though the first load I had a sticky window resize glitch which made me kill it and reopen to fix it). 

Watch gMail load ("Loading..." screen) in comparison... unless you have a decently fast machine, you should notice it takes less than half the time...

I have found a few CSS/HTML styles it honors differently than FF2 though... but other than that, I am looking forward to GA and some plugins... at least UnPlug and FireFTP and DownloadStatusBar (and a skin or two).


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Robert Deed



Now that we have totally hijacked this thread...
I actually never notice the "loading" screen at all.  Even in firefox 2 it just flashes by so quickly I never even notice it.  I do however notice it on my iphone while loading the classic gmail site (safari on iphone is a slow rendering dog).


Quote from: RobertM on 2008.03.20, 07:18:20
Quote from: Robert Deed on 2008.03.20, 07:13:00
Wow.. I just installed Firefox3 RC4 and it is quite amazing compared to my last experience with it.  The font rendering is amazing and does seem much quicker then firefox 2  (though the first load I had a sticky window resize glitch which made me kill it and reopen to fix it). 

Watch gMail load ("Loading..." screen) in comparison... unless you have a decently fast machine, you should notice it takes less than half the time...

I have found a few CSS/HTML styles it honors differently than FF2 though... but other than that, I am looking forward to GA and some plugins... at least UnPlug and FireFTP and DownloadStatusBar (and a skin or two).

djcaetano

Quote from: Robert Deed on 2008.03.20, 06:41:33
When firefox hangs majorly solid and requires the double CTRL-ALT-DEL it has nothing to do with the Input Queue..  it has to do with Innotek's font engine running out of system resources (basically just killing the whole graphics subsystem ).  Obviously this is why IBM never was big on anyone hooking the graphics subsystem in this way.  I've noticed that this happens more or less after long periods of uptime especially if I am reading and writing in alot of large forums (some coding forums I use, along with technical assistance sites I participate in).  I'm not saying you thought that this had anything to do with the SIQ but I can say I am 99% sure of this, since when I removed the font engine it stopped occuring.  Of course I reinstalled it because I would take a crash every month or two over unreadable small fonts on my 20" 1600x1200 display =)  (I'm sure my large display size also increases the frequency of this problem).

  Yeah, I noticed that IFE bugs the system. I had also noticed that xWP has some glitches yet, which also makes the system unstable sometimes (que SIQ Fix says a WPS Window or xCenter stopped to respond and if you try to kill it, the entire PMShell hangs). I had not this problems without xWP.

  But I would like to say that xWP improves a lot OS/2 and I think it's best to cope with those hangs than like without xWP.

The Blue Warper

I know this is OT, but I can confirm that FF3b3 and b4 is actually faster than FF2.x (both on WinXP and eCS). Two of the main goals which the developers aimed to are speed and an improved memory management 'engine'.
Also, for RobertM:
regarding your losing (some of) your configuration when using FF3, maybe you should set the HOME directory in the config.sys file (See Firefox/2 readme).

Saijin_Naib

FF 3b5 is kinda bad, its slow, uses way more RAM, and doesnt draw the page properly when you minimize\restore the page. OS\2 rears its ugly web rendering head still, the pages render slowly and eat CPU like no ones business. Also, can we get a build of Firefox without Quicksearch? Its useless, it takes away my OS2 slash and my apostrophe. Just because its a feature doesnt make it usefull damnit! lol

RobertM

Quote from: The Blue Warper on 2008.03.20, 17:47:47

Also, for RobertM:
regarding your losing (some of) your configuration when using FF3, maybe you should set the HOME directory in the config.sys file (See Firefox/2 readme).


I have (2 years ago... entry still there)... I was beginning to think that having it may be the cause of the problem and was considering removing the entry...   :(

SET MOZILLA_HOME=C:\mozilla.org\Profiles

Other odd things it causes are FF3 will reload my current active tab set (from my last FF2 session), but on closing, because I dont have it set to store that tabset, when I load FF2 next, it will go to the default home page... but if I then close FF2 with a bunch of tabs open and reopen it, it will load the last tab set.

Maybe something I did (or was unable to do) during install is making it share the profile info? Got me...

-Rob


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Saijin_Naib

No, I think its just differences in how FF2 and FF3 handle profile data. It acts exactly the same here when I test out FF3, all my things act like I JUST installed FF2 when I go back. I take it as a side effect of beta testing, so far, nothing has been damaged, so I dont really mind.

Robert Deed

I am running FF3B4 here and it is incredibly fast compared to the most recent ff2 release.  Renders pages faster, loads faster and looks alot better.  Maybe it is having a decently supported video card :)  lol.  In fact I am monitoring my memory use by process and ff3 is using nearly the same as ff2 (it seems to fluctuate a bit from page to page) and I'm assuming FF3 has a bunch of debug code in it.

Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.03.20, 18:03:28
FF 3b5 is kinda bad, its slow, uses way more RAM, and doesnt draw the page properly when you minimize\restore the page. OS\2 rears its ugly web rendering head still, the pages render slowly and eat CPU like no ones business. Also, can we get a build of Firefox without Quicksearch? Its useless, it takes away my OS2 slash and my apostrophe. Just because its a feature doesnt make it usefull damnit! lol

Saijin_Naib

FF3 Beta 5 I said, not Beta 4. Beta 4, as I noted earlier, is much improved. I was making a warning against trying Beta 5, as it, at the moment, is less than ideal.

PAUL555


Was this single input queue issue finally fixed / bypassed in ecomstation 1.2 / 2.0 ?   

Paul   

Blonde Guy

No. But it hasn't really been a problem since Warp 3, fixpak 17.
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ModZilla

all of this contradictory and confusing thread spillage leads into yet another rediculous idea, for eg, google runs a bunch of crap on your system as does firefox, esp the latest version of this funky browser, also, if you check out posts (say at techweb http://www.2-spyware.com/file-xlog-exe.html and many many other hakn sites)regarding what is being tracked by MS in your machine as you try to use your machine- using the latest browser technology* , almost everything you do is traced back to within the kernel itself in windows, by processes you have no control over; so how do you know the same thing is not occuring in ecomsta? Try killing your windows explorer.  iTs silly to assume that when you are on a network that you have control over anything at all no matter what you do.
someday os2 will be ruled by the young and famous-at least in the open-source world!