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OS/2® Server for e-Business V5.0?

Started by RobertM, 2009.10.24, 14:09:39

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RobertM

Hello all,

I have noticed that at various points, IBM (as well as a couple people online who claim they have v5.0.1) has indicated the existence of "OS/2® Server for e-Business V5.0" on various documents.

Here's one from July 2003:
http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=an&subtype=ca&appname=redbooks&htmlfid=897/ENUS103-206

I am wondering if there was actually a later release that they created for certain customers... how very interesting.


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RobertM

Here's another reference to it, which also cites Management of NT based systems

http://www.aaxnet.com/design/os2.html

How odd...

And another one, that even references it's internal name and indicates it was never released:
"OS/2 Warp v5 ('Gandalf', never released)"
http://www.plasma-online.de/index.html?content=http%3A//www.plasma-online.de/english/help/almanach/os.html

And yet another:
"eNetwork Communications Server for OS/2 Warp V5 Enhancements"
http://www.os2site.com/sw/info/redbooks/index.html
(an IBM RedBook that references v5)



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RobertM

I wonder what changes are in it, and if it is something that Serenity/Mensys can obtain if it is beneficial...


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miturbide


I'm almost sure this is a confution. Possible they say Warp 5.0 refering to OS/2 Warp for e-business (Aurora Level 4.50).  The IBM list the following date July 15, 2003. At that time Warp 4.52 was available possible it was that one.

The last thing known from IBM is Warp 4.52 + Fixpack 6 (final) and some Apars that was never released to the public only for a special customers.

I had included the information that I found at:
http://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/Updating_OS/2_Warp_4.52
The idea of that Wiki page was to list all IBM lastest IBM stuff to update Warp 4.52 (like which what Warp 4.53 should have if ever existed)

It will be cool if Serenity/Mensys could get from IBM all that fixes from IBM.

If I'm missing any fixpack, appars from IBM let me know.

Martín Itúrbide
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Open Source Advocate

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RobertM

That is what I thought, but sites are actually differentiating between them:


From one of them:
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OS/2 Warp Server for e-business
OS/2 Warp w/ Convenience Pack (v4.5)
OS/2 Warp v5 ('Gandalf', never released)


And this one with more specific information regarding what happened to it:
http://www.decades.de/content/warpsphere/warphistory/chapter7.htm
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V4.5x Server Codename: Aurora (released as »OS/2 Warp Server for eBusiness«)

V5.0 Codename: Gandalf (never released, Parts of it via Software Choice only)



Weird... guess at the least if those are correct, at least we saw parts of it...


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chennecke

Serenity/Mensys have been working on creating a new product called "eComServer" for a while. It's eCS with the WSeB components on top. AFAIK it's at the level of ACP2 plus fixes.

lpino

Quote from: miturbide on 2009.10.24, 15:40:19

I'm almost sure this is a confution. Possible they say Warp 5.0 refering to OS/2 Warp for e-business (Aurora Level 4.50).  The IBM list the following date July 15, 2003. At that time Warp 4.52 was available possible it was that one.

The last thing known from IBM is Warp 4.52 + Fixpack 6 (final) and some Apars that was never released to the public only for a special customers.

I had included the information that I found at:
http://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/Updating_OS/2_Warp_4.52
The idea of that Wiki page was to list all IBM lastest IBM stuff to update Warp 4.52 (like which what Warp 4.53 should have if ever existed)

It will be cool if Serenity/Mensys could get from IBM all that fixes from IBM.

If I'm missing any fixpack, appars from IBM let me know.



Martin, it's not a confusion. Warp v5 was worked on during a period of time (aka Merlin 2). This was a new client version that was later scrapped and the focus turned to a new server release, now known as Warp Server for e-business.

Still the server was an after thought since the company wasn't behind OS/2 at all. They just needed to fulfill some contracts with some big clients.

Many of the features that came to be in WSeB were actually developed before (raptor program) like support for JFS (owl project).

How I do all this?,,,  I just do ;)

I hope this clears some of the air.



 

RobertM

Quote from: lpino on 2009.10.25, 15:41:46
Quote from: miturbide on 2009.10.24, 15:40:19

I'm almost sure this is a confution. Possible they say Warp 5.0 refering to OS/2 Warp for e-business (Aurora Level 4.50).  The IBM list the following date July 15, 2003. At that time Warp 4.52 was available possible it was that one.

The last thing known from IBM is Warp 4.52 + Fixpack 6 (final) and some Apars that was never released to the public only for a special customers.

I had included the information that I found at:
http://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/Updating_OS/2_Warp_4.52
The idea of that Wiki page was to list all IBM lastest IBM stuff to update Warp 4.52 (like which what Warp 4.53 should have if ever existed)

It will be cool if Serenity/Mensys could get from IBM all that fixes from IBM.

If I'm missing any fixpack, appars from IBM let me know.



Martin, it's not a confusion. Warp v5 was worked on during a period of time (aka Merlin 2). This was a new client version that was later scrapped and the focus turned to a new server release, now known as Warp Server for e-business.

Still the server was an after thought since the company wasn't behind OS/2 at all. They just needed to fulfill some contracts with some big clients.

Which only leaves explaining this portion:

- OS/2® Server for e-Business V5.0

Copy and paste from actual IBM documents and Redbooks that were released after ACP and MCP.


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mobybrick

The only other product I know existed, but never made it to release, was the OS/2 Warp DSS product - the OS/2 Warp "Directory and Security Server"  A beefed up version of Warp Server 4.0, this supported kerberos authentication and provided an LDAP-based directory. A new version of the IBM LAN Server software (with many of the historic bugs removed) was produced.

But for some reason, the next version of Warp Server, WSeB, used the old code-base. I could never find out what happened to LAN Server DSS - despite IBM trying to sell it to me several times.

Moby.

rwklein

Let me jump into this discussion. I don't know what this OS/2 server version 5 stuff is about. Mensys and Serenity Systems have had very good contacts within IBM and a lot of informal contacts as well. The only thing we have seen is a consistent execution of the IBM policy to reduce OS/2 support as IBM more or less "promised".

In 2003 IBM basically shut down all cooperate support in the United States for OS/2. Customers where told to contact IBM Germany for any questions. Scott Garfunkle posted in 2005  or 2006 to comp.os.os2.bugs he would no longer work on the OS/2 kernel. He would be on standby however for emergency cases. And the company Exigen from Letvia seems to be out of the OS/2 business since 2005 as well since IBM closed the funding from development for OS/2 as well.

So yeh I know these names popup within the IBM documents the Warp server 5 stuff. Also consider the fact that most people within IBM these days don't even know what OS/2 is! So they could well have mistyped it. I don't know ? 10 years ago Mensys already got phone calls from people within IBM that did not know what OS/2 was! So you can certainly guess what its like these days :-(

With all internal contacts and external contacts from IBM, etc. Mensys nor Serenity Systems has never even heard of a rumor that this product is real. The added fact that just about all internal support infrastructure for OS/2 within seems to gone seems to make the question doubtful the product was ever developed.

I do know there was a push from some people within IBM Europe to get an MCP 4.53 with all fixes. But this never made it.

Roderick Klein
Mensys

RobertM

#10
Quote from: mobybrick on 2009.10.26, 15:06:10
The only other product I know existed, but never made it to release, was the OS/2 Warp DSS product - the OS/2 Warp "Directory and Security Server"  A beefed up version of Warp Server 4.0, this supported kerberos authentication and provided an LDAP-based directory. A new version of the IBM LAN Server software (with many of the historic bugs removed) was produced.

But for some reason, the next version of Warp Server, WSeB, used the old code-base. I could never find out what happened to LAN Server DSS - despite IBM trying to sell it to me several times.

Moby.

I used to have DSS (final beta release). I was actually IBM trained and certified on it. It never made it out of beta (except for perhaps some un-announced corporate uses).

DSS did a lot more than just that too. It extended the manageability of any sort of network that WS understood, no matter how many domains or OS types. It also allowed spanning domains across the internet, access to multi-domain resources in a very simple fashion, even easier domain, workgroup and resource management and far more.

The project was from the mid to late 1990's. Someplace, I may still have my training certification for it, but I sadly can no longer find my install disks.

It was one of the most beautiful products I have ever seen, and absolutely nothing to date in the PC world matches it's power or capabilities (though of course, it would have to be updated for the changed NetBIOS/NetBEUI implementations that now exist in the Windows (and other OS) worlds).


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RobertM

Quote from: rwklein on 2009.10.26, 15:18:11
Let me jump into this discussion. I don't know what this OS/2 server version 5 stuff is about. Mensys and Serenity Systems have had very good contacts within IBM and a lot of informal contacts as well. The only thing we have seen is a consistent execution of the IBM policy to reduce OS/2 support as IBM more or less "promised".

In 2003 IBM basically shut down all cooperate support in the United States for OS/2....

So yeh I know these names popup within the IBM documents the Warp server 5 stuff. Also consider the fact that most people within IBM these days don't even know what OS/2 is! So they could well have mistyped it. I don't know ? 10 years ago Mensys already got phone calls from people within IBM that did not know what OS/2 was! So you can certainly guess what its like these days :-(

With all internal contacts and external contacts from IBM, etc. Mensys nor Serenity Systems has never even heard of a rumor that this product is real...

Roderick Klein
Mensys

I think there are two very very large companies that may have a little more insight (and different insight, no less) on this. Both are still running OS/2 of various flavors, and at least one is finally being pushed to outsource their support.

One is a massive, multi-billion dollar company that ranks within the Top 50 of it's market, and in sales and revenue, ranks #1 or #2. I was offered a 3-5 year contract to support (and migrate) their OS/2 installation. Opted for a different route, as the relocation would have been drastic. Sorry, I cannot reveal the name. Roderick, I think I have sent you more information on them than I can post in the forums.

The other one, I also cannot reveal the identity of, though I suspect from my previous digging, that I have correlated it with a place that another forum member works at. It is at his request that I shall not release such information.




I have a feeling, just like the "never existed, never heard of it, what are you talking about?" DSS (that I owned a copy of), that there is more to this story than IBM is currently willing to admit or has knowledge of.

Best,
Rob


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RobertM

#12
It is possible that parts or the entirety of DSS was integrated into these products:
-IBM Directory Server for AIX
-Tivoli Directory Server

Info on the OS/2 Warp version can still be found here:
-Inside the Directory and Security Server for OS/2 Warp

There was even an announcement apaprently (of it's availability):
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-18419832.html

Though, from what I can recall, it was still in beta at the time of this. Or at least shortly before that it was.


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Saijin_Naib


RobertM

Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2009.10.27, 01:37:45
So. Who am I to believe here?

I'm not saying one exists or existed. I'm saying that history has proven that IBM's lack of knowledge (even within the OS/2 group) of a product does not preclude it's existence. And that there are companies that have had various levels of OS/2 support from IBM since 2003. What those levels were/are, I dont know.

This product may never have left the planning stages, or may have went a lot farther than that. Either way, it was apparently assigned an internal codename.

Roderick's information is probably far more accurate - or at the very least, is indicative of anyone's ability to get such code if it ever existed in the first place. Inotherwords, (a) it never went far and there is no code other than that already incorporated into FPs for CP2, or (b) more code than that existed and is no longer available (lost, not ever going to be released, or who knows what).

I just found it very interesting. And was hoping Roderick and team had dug up a different answer. Sadly, that is not the case.


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