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"Online office apps get real: Google Docs vs. ThinkFree vs. Zoho" and eCS?

Started by BigWarpGuy, 2008.07.20, 00:58:41

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BigWarpGuy

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9108799&source=NLT_AM&nlid=1
"Web-based suites have become real challengers to desktop applications"

Would these online applications work with eCS? I will give it a try.

John

Hey there,

Just gave ZOHO and Google Docs a quick try with FF 2.0.0.11 under OS/2 and both seem to work quite well. Obviously, I haven't tested them extensively, but they DO work. I haven't yet checked on how much bandwidth these apps use but for myself I pay approx US$0.075 (current exchange rates) per MB so it may become quite expensive in the end for people who pay ( I consider the above rate expensive ) a fair amount for bandwidth especially "3rd World countries". Just my 2cents.

Cheers,

John.

saborion2

Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.07.20, 00:58:41
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9108799&source=NLT_AM&nlid=1
"Web-based suites have become real challengers to desktop applications"

Would these online applications work with eCS? I will give it a try.

Hey "BigWarpGuy",

A very interesting thread/post indeed.

Anyway, while I have not gone through every detail about the list of "Online Office Apps" that was written (talked) about in the article one should easily recall the earlier attempt at "Online Office Apps" offering by the Lotus Development Corporation (now with what was then called "Lotus Kona". Also, do you recall what was said by Sun Microsystems... "The Network Is The Computer". All in all, the feeling that the "OS/2's WorkSpace On Demand Strategy" was not that very far off its mark after; and, I can't wait myself to have a go with eCS running some of these newer "Online Office Apps" (given that the adoption of an "Open Standards" approach will make this possible).  ;D

Best regards.

SAB

Ben

Online web suites... the latest flight into madness, though in itself, so small a scratch.

The problem is, everyone now thinks privacy has become value-less.

Many, millions of people died so you can keep it and hold it dear. Why did they value it soo much? These most precious of life's gems, now get tossed away to shatter like worthless glass... all for the most flimsy of pretenses?

Once you let undesirables into your intimate affairs, they'll move in and setup camp... you'll never get them out.

Putting up web sites with one's personal affairs open and flaunted is one thing, doing so on someone else's web site, (someone of whom you do not know the character of, and over who's servers you have no control), is bizarre to say the least, and highly dangerous.

Ask yourself; "Why would someone want to spend an exorbitant amount of money so that "I" can store my private, personal data for free?" Data that 15 years ago no one would have given up at any cost and would have quickly told anyone, should they have the gall to ask, where to go. Now, it goes for free like dead leaves in Autumn's breeze.

Why do they spend the money? They must be getting something very, very valuable in return for their investment... and they are. And they know it.

How have they gotten people to give up their intimate affairs so easily?

They've made it cool. The perennial, epitome of idiocracy. Coolness by-passes the brain. A point well known amongst the psychiatric community and works similar to "faith", or "trust me".

They have convinced people that something that is of extraordinary value, is worthless. They then rake it in, laughing and singing all the way to the metaphorical bank... "Ha, ha! What fools, what fools!"

If you reduce your most personal matters to nothing more substantial than a puff of air, then expect respect, (for you), to go with it,  as it thusly becomes equally vacuous. Respect = value. A human that has no respect, has no value. Put simply; Privacy+Respect+human-value are inextricably tied together.  You loose either to your detriment. History has repeatedly proven this... And those that rule us know this well.

Look underneath the innocent-seeming white cloak that these people wear. You will find a black shroud-liner hiding someone that you are not expecting, someone whom you would never let near your personal affairs. There is a hefty cost to this trap. Make no mistake about it.

These days It seems that thoughts of care for one's own private matters is as rare as a cherry in an opened box of chocolates.

Now we hang our private documents opened and dangling, like dirty underwear fluttering in the breeze, genitalia exposed and unprotected, dying the death of a thousand small cuts, each one, individually, so easy to ignore...

"What fools... what fools."

For the sake of all the OS/2 community, I hope that online apps never make it this far, though I'm sure it's that last thing that you, the "BigWarpGuy" wants to hear.

I offer you as a shaded corner of refuge,  the fact that I have no influence in its development.


BigWarpGuy

I welcome all (well almost all  ;D ) opinions; good or bad.    8)

saborion2

Hey "Ben",

Re:

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They have convinced people that something that is of extraordinary value, is worthless. They then rake it in, laughing and singing all the way to the metaphorical bank... "Ha, ha! What fools, what fools!"


this, among all the other things that you have said sounds rather "scary" indeed. So, how do you convince us that "Windows" (or OS/2 for that matter) do not have "secret holes" from which the "privacy" that we all think that we have is not really there. Besides, if you are approaching a "bank" for funding for a project then someone other than "you" would be sharing some of your "personal data for sure. Hence, it might be quite surprising to know just how much of one's personal data is already freely available online. 8)

Best regards.

SAB

Ben

Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.07.20, 03:34:43.
Hey "Ben",
Greetings, saborion2
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.07.20, 03:34:43...how do you convince us that "Windows" (or OS/2 for that matter) do not have "secret holes" from which the "privacy" that we all think that we have is not really there.

Indeed, I would support the other side, in that there are many "holes" in all, generally available OS' that I'm aware of. All of such holes are accessible to those with most power and only a very few of which are available to us lower downs, OS/2 having the least. Just one of the reasons that I use it.

And certainly, there are proprietary OS' not available to us, that are classified as secure. Industry has them written especially for them... and no one else. And there are industry available OS' that many of the bigger companies use that we do not know about. There are documentaries available on some of those.


Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.07.20, 03:34:43Besides, if you are approaching a "bank" for funding for a project then someone other than "you" would be sharing some of your "personal data for sure. Hence, it might be quite surprising to know just how much of one's personal data is already freely available online. 8)

Oh, it's absolutely frightening when one looks into the utter, deliberate violation of our privacy. What's more frightening is that this has all happened before, not with the technology of today, where we are at a peak, but with respect to the general leading of society via the slacking of morals, (including copious amounts of free porn), the intergenerational destruction of mutual respect, going hand in hand with the model of the dysfunctional family that they've forced upon us, (for we weren't dysfunctional before they started pushing it in our faces).

It isn't a pattern that I see through history, but a clear agenda. Many of those that supported it in the past, write about it openly in books that they've written themselves, that were useless to those who could not read in past times, and today, intentionally, outrageously over-priced for a time of wide-spread literacy, the 1900s being a good example. (Though decreasing sharply today).

And this agenda is clearly designed for a deliberate "bringing down" of a nation that was deliberately "brought up" for a purpose. Unfortunately, it is the nations of the western world that are being brought down as I type.

The most recent example in popular memory is the time just prior to the first world war when Germany was the most civilized, best educated, most advanced culture on the planet, and... the most free... or so the people believed as Milton Mayer wrote about so well. Read about Germany right before WWI started and you will see an exact, (generally speaking), playing out of the agenda of social control for the brining down of a nation, (again, "prior" to the outbreak of war), as we are witnessing today in the U.S. specifically, but in the western world in general.

Before this we saw it in Rome, before that Greece, before that Egypt, then going back to Babylon and ultimately, (in a matter of speaking), back to Sumer as we call it, (for they, themselves, did not).

The point being, the science, (and it is a science), of the deconstruction of a powerful society is well-known in upper circles. Plato, (around 300 B.C.), laid it out clearly for those with, "eyes to see" and "ears to hear".

I can't go into it at length, for it would take pages, if not books of pages to make it clear, but let me bounce relatively quickly over some of the major points.

First let me say this. There is no such thing as a democracy. There is no country on this planet, nor has there ever been, a country in which 51%, (or greater), of the people have ever ruled. For the people never rule.

I'm going to make some quotes, but I'm going to preface them first, the reason for which will become obvious.

Time after time, whenever you hear an elite, (and journalist do this with some regularity), asked the question; "Sir, what is your favorite book?" the elite will answer something to the tune of, and I'm paraphrasing for generalization, "without a doubt Plato's The Republic. It is the model for which I base my life."

Plato allows his stories to come out through dialogs as you will see below.

At this point Plato has gone through some of the types of government, in order, and has just finished democracy. And I'm quoting directly from "The Republic" focusing on what is relevant;

"Last of all comes the most beautiful of all, man and State alike, tyranny and the tyrant."
"Say then, my friend, In what manner does tyranny arise?- that is has a democratic origin is evident."
"Clearly."
"And does not tyranny spring from democracy in the same manner as..."


Now, I'll move along a little bit in the book.

"Our State like every other has rulers and subjects?"
"True."
"All of whom will call one another citizens?"
"Of course."
"But is there not another name which people give to their rulers in other States?"
"Generally they call them masters, but in democratic States they simply call them, (wink, wink, nudge, nudge), rullers."
"And what do rulers call the people, (citizens), in other States?"
"Slaves."


Now, in case this isn't clear what Plato said, since it is meant to lull us common folk,  (remember our leaders are holding this book up on high), let me paraphrase.

In a democracy our masters will be called "rulers" or "leaders" and their "slaves" will be called "citizens".
And...
"Democracy" is what you tell a country it is, (Republic or otherwise), as a means of expediting it into "Tyranny". I kid you not.

You see, they get you with words. With words they cast a "spell" on you. Know terms and phrases and their origins, soon you will find that words that seem to have two or more meanings really have, but one, and then what politicians say on T.V., becomes much, much clearer. You are meant to be kept in darkness, to make them sound superior, and you, inferior. While naturally speaking, the converse is true as, (Count), Leo Tolstoy revealed.

If you do a little research you'll find that the U.S. is a REPUBLIC, (not a democracy), that our leaders are calling it a DEMOCRACY so we can be slipped more easily into a TYRANNY. This is the way it works.
They deliberately filter this out of our education so that we don't find it out. But it is all there for anyone that is looking.
They even tell us to "Seek and you shall find", and "knock and the door shall be opened unto you." Just so you'll know, I surely, have nothing to do with religion, just in case you were wondering.

So, are you beginning to see the trick that the scum that floats at the top have pulled/are pulling on us?

Look around you. It's everywhere.

If you can't find anything easily, go to my web site. Create an account. Read some of the articles there that I've gathered from the major news publications. Ask questions. Decide for yourself. They hide everything in plain sight.

To say again; "Democracy" is what the rulers call a nation as they lead it into a Tyranny

Now, as I said, there are many, many books out there written by those that have been directly involved in bringing this about, that tell all. And I can't possibly quote any significant number of them here, (some of the authors being Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Francis Bacon, Charles Darwin, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Bertrand Russell, H.G. Wells, George Washington, John Allegro et al), and neither is that the function of this forum. However, you'll find one that does serve this very function, on my web site, should any of this seem relevant to you, and I assure you, it is.

I'll guide you to the door, you must decide whether to go through. Some can handle it, most can't, though it effects everyone equally.

I hope that you've found this of some value.

'Bye.

Saijin_Naib

I agree with ben about the general distrust of online document processing, but I also have much less... grandiose reasons as well. Firstly, I close browsers left and right, and that would put a stop to my work right quick, mmm?

Secondly, FF and IFE don't play nice in Os/2, again a deterrent to ever doing critical work in a broswer. Further that with my disdain for anything that requires me to be ON-LINE to do work, and you have a fairly rounded out idea of why I don't stand for the "network as the computer" approach. I need a desktop, I demand local applications!

saborion2

Hi Ben, Hi Saijin_Naib,

First of all Ben - thank you for the most stimulating treatise you gave in your earlier posts; and, from all appearances you are now joined by one of your "converts" ;D who is none other than "Saijin_Naib" who said:

Re:

Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.07.20, 07:39:38
I agree with ben about the general distrust of online document processing, but I also have much less... grandiose reasons as well. Firstly, I close browsers left and right, and that would put a stop to my work right quick, mmm?

Secondly, FF and IFE don't play nice in Os/2, again a deterrent to ever doing critical work in a broswer. Further that with my disdain for anything that requires me to be ON-LINE to do work, and you have a fairly rounded out idea of why I don't stand for the "network as the computer" approach. I need a desktop, I demand local applications!

Again Ben, do you mind remind of who was it (and, the name "Touchstone" comes to mind) that said (and to whom) "has thou any philosophy"? And, surely "Saijin_Naib" let us hope that yours (voice) would not be like one crying in the "GOOGLE-Like (created) wilderness" of "Online Office Apps". Let us sincerely trust that you do not get "swallowed up" by the emerging Online Office Apps "sand storms". ;D

Best regards,

SAB

Ben

Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.07.20, 07:39:38
I agree with ben about the general distrust of online document processing,
This is a basic survival instinct compliments of nature.

It is one of the tenets of Social Conditioning being specifically designed to cut out that part of you. Those who study history uncover it often, as they page back into the past. Also, many psychology books have been written on just this topic.

Consider yourself lucky that you are of the very few who still retain some of that instinct. Care for it, fan it to life and, in turn, it will help take care of you  as   it   is  supposed   to  do.

Pay no attention to the dead.


Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.07.20, 07:39:38but I also have much less... grandiose reasons as well.

Secondly, FF and IFE don't play nice in Os/2, again a deterrent to ever doing critical work in a broswer. Further that with my disdain for anything that requires me to be ON-LINE to do work, and you have a fairly rounded out idea of why I don't stand for the "network as the computer" approach. I need a desktop, I demand local applications!
Again, this shows that your brain is working    as    designed.

This is a good thing.

Now take this piece of you that you know is right and shine the light of it around you and onto other things. You'll be surprised at what you see. Think of it as a metaphorical fog light that is designed, (and it is), to cut through the thick veil around you.

In less "grandiose" talk, that means it's a natural bullshit deflector.


And now, back to your regularly scheduled forum.  ;D