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somewhere out there
« on: 2008.08.18, 20:51:58 »
somewhere out there it must be said a new open sourced kernel study group needs to be organized for the undertaking of finding the feasibility factor and to clear the way for the open standard for the OS/2 kernel, as this must be done to ensure that OS/2 becomes a universal OS rather than a commercially guarded one, which would make it extinct...for sure! Therefore I elect KIM to head a committee to find out what the snags really are in that vein, and exactly what are the legal issues extolled by IBM, MS, Symantec and others that are so deeply opposed to this idea of reviving OS/2 as opposed to Linux and what would the political and legal fallout be; esp for IBM. Not enough pressure is being put on IBM, I know they want to go the way of big business and have gotten out of the PC marketplace for the most part. As well they have great plans for Tech campi the world over, these are noble causes, and I understand the basic culture of said company(s). I for one am opposed however, to letting go the caldron, we need to strengthen our ranks and move forward but this cannot be done by lamenting the faults of MS or the promises gilded in features offered once upon a time by OS/2. Interest on a broader level could be generated if the picture became clear and the aims campaigned for were truly appearant, what do we have to lose but our sanity? Of course commercialism plays a role even in the distros on the other side but on the dark side we have a point and click society that does not even know really what a dos command does much less what a command line can be used for, what a mess, we have nations around the globe that are full of people preoccupied by visual images that are hollow on the face of them yet controlling on their obverse, what we are talkin here is the future of a world society monitored by corporations and controlled by them as opposed to seeking a destiny manifest by something more known about than the latest election soundbite...you are being monitored everytime you use an MS update, who gave them permission to seek and destroy your very conciousness? YOU DID.
someday os2 will be ruled by the young and famous-at least in the open-source world!

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Re: somewhere out there
« Reply #1 on: 2008.08.18, 21:40:58 »
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somewhere out there it must be said a new open sourced kernel study group needs to be organized for the undertaking of finding the feasibility factor and to clear the way for the open standard for the OS/2 kernel, as this must be done to ensure that OS/2 becomes a universal OS rather than a commercially guarded one, which would make it extinct...for sure! Therefore I elect KIM to head a committee to find out what the snags really are in that vein, and exactly what are the legal issues extolled by IBM, MS, Symantec and others that are so deeply opposed to this idea of reviving OS/2 as opposed to Linux and what would the political and legal fallout be; esp for IBM. Not enough pressure is being put on IBM, I know they want to go the way of big business and have gotten out of the PC marketplace for the most part. As well they have great plans for Tech campi the world over, these are noble causes, and I understand the basic culture of said company(s). I for one am opposed however, to letting go the caldron, we need to strengthen our ranks and move forward but this cannot be done by lamenting the faults of MS or the promises gilded in features offered once upon a time by OS/2. Interest on a broader level could be generated if the picture became clear and the aims campaigned for were truly appearant, what do we have to lose but our sanity? Of course commercialism plays a role even in the distros on the other side but on the dark side we have a point and click society that does not even know really what a dos command does much less what a command line can be used for, what a mess, we have nations around the globe that are full of people preoccupied by visual images that are hollow on the face of them yet controlling on their obverse, what we are talkin here is the future of a world society monitored by corporations and controlled by them as opposed to seeking a destiny manifest by something more known about than the latest election soundbite...you are being monitored every time you use an MS update, who gave them permission to seek and destroy your very consciousness? YOU DID.

Hi ModZilla,

I have read your "piece"; but, I was wondering which "Kim" you were referring to... is it "Kim Cheong" (from Serenity Systems International) ;) or Kim Haverblad (OS/2 World Foundation)  ;); and, would that be Petition Three. Anyway, instead of OS/2 (Second Generation) how about an Open StandardsOS/3 (Third Generation) Kernel???

Best regards,

SAB

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Re: somewhere out there
« Reply #2 on: 2008.10.10, 15:52:20 »
Kim Kommando who is "bought n paid for" by non other than $S...:)

if this was only a real forum about OS2 we could get somewhere with iBM


thx for your reply SAB!
Do you OS2?

MZ :'(
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Re: somewhere out there
« Reply #3 on: 2008.10.10, 20:57:09 »
ModZilla

In your post you've made some good observations.

Take them a step further and you'll get all your answers and your frustration will dissipate.

In short, there is no desire at the top for the making of a quality kernel that is to be made available to the general public. They do exist and are available, however only for those "that rule us", and they have had them for a long time.

There are documentaries covering this.


Speaking to the whole...

If it were allowed, there would be as many top-quality, tightly written, highly stable pieces of software available as we, the general public, would want. Ergo: this isn't permitted. (For reasons having nothing to do with money).

If they have the resources, (and they obviously do), to make this work, then the design and construction of a stable kernel,   is   a   joke, by comparison.

So why isn't there one?

Cows have no need for stable kernels.

They might waste their freed time, watching those who watch us and "manage the herd." And the herd might not like what they see. "You're not allowed to tell the children -- it would scare them."

Given the massiveness of the computer and programming industry, and the huge sums invested in it, there simply is no way to explain away the pathetic state & quality of generally available software. We're given a few "joke explanations" that we all-too-willingly, accept...  which give us a convenient excuse to not look; to not think; to not have to move away from our desks *oh geez...* and have to look at the real, (versus the virtual), world. "Don't spook the herd!"

It never ceases to amaze me that people see this raw seepage that oozes from one of its multitudinous holes, yet few ever go past the "bitching" stage... the explanation for all being but a few short thoughts away, (albeit, heavily veiled).

Their daily Soma intake, is indeed as addictive as it is mind-numbing.

However, it is encouraging to see some try... if few in number. For the success, (or failure), of the "herd" lies in their hands. Make no mistake about it.

Allow, me, Modzilla, if you will, to supplement to your...


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...nations around the globe that are full of people preoccupied by visual images that are hollow on the face of them yet controlling on their obverse,

This is from a U.S. Military officer's Training Manual dated summer 1997 & written by Major Ralph Peters


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In this age of television-series franchising, videos, and satellite dishes, the young male gets his skewed view of things from reruns of Dynasty and Dallas, or from satellite links beaming down Baywatch, sources we dismiss too quickly as laughable and unworthy of serious consideration as factors influencing world affairs. But their effect is destructive beyond the power of words to describe.

I have to say it again; "destructive beyond the power of words to describe".

People: Do you understand what that means?

How long do you have to wait?


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most people... get high on pop culture. If religion is the opium of the people, video is their crack cocaine... for all technology is military technology & Hollywood is "preparing the battlefield," and burgers precede bullets... When we and they collide, they shock us with violence... and this has as much to do with television commercials, CD-ROMs, and grotesque video games as it does with the classroom... watch the videos, but we will be writing the scripts, producing them.

That's right, the military funds most movies, videos and computer games.

The complete article is available here and is a "must read" for those few who can still think rather than regurgitate endless lines of indoctrination that they had programmed into them from TV or a new movie, thinking they are smarter because they can throw it up before their peers can.

This is not thinking. This is not thought. Though it seems few can tell the difference any more...

A person has to ask themselves where and why this transition has happened... ask Major Ralph Peters for he has no issue with the source or reason for this transition...


Here's another quote from Major Peters...

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Our victims volunteer.

"We" are those victims he is referring to.

Mass media is the means.

TV programs, program you!

How hard can that possibly be to get? They tell you for christ's sake...

          "And on tonights Programming Schedule we have for you..."


One of their greatest cons is to make you think that the same word can have two totally different meanings.

They do not.



« Last Edit: 2008.10.11, 17:10:21 by Ben »

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Re: somewhere out there
« Reply #4 on: 2008.10.11, 10:06:18 »
Wow, that article is quite something. Hoorah for those skilled in the ways of writing. I fear I can't make it through the whole thing tonight as I have to be up early tomorrow, but it certainly provides much to think over. As of time of writing (3:53am EST) your server appears to be having a bit of difficulty. I can not access pages.
« Last Edit: 2008.10.11, 10:08:10 by Saijin_Naib »

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Re: somewhere out there
« Reply #5 on: 2008.10.11, 16:26:07 »

The servers are up and running and the log files show continuous access throughout the night from -- as is the norm -- all over the world.

I suspect that the problem lies with whom ever is providing your DNS services. I have heard of this problem before. Some providers will not properly resolve Domain Names in the private IP blocks.

The only thing that I can suggest is for you to do a manual DNS lookup on some site that carries no restrictions, via web browser, and use the provided IP address in place of the domain name.

Canada's ISPs do this a lot. I suspect that it is tied into getting rid of private http servers. This is just like the pseudo E-mail providers, (Gmail, Yahoo & the like), trying to gain total control over the E-mail information network, by refusing mail from private E-mail servers, and, of course, refusing to tell their users that they are doing so.

If demand warrants it I'll consider buying some space on a commercial server, but my setup is more than capable of carrying a large load so... I don't see this happening any time soon.
« Last Edit: 2008.10.11, 16:28:40 by Ben »

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« Reply #6 on: 2008.10.11, 20:37:02 »

The servers are up and running and the log files show continuous access throughout the night from -- as is the norm -- all over the world.

I suspect that the problem lies with whom ever is providing your DNS services. I have heard of this problem before. Some providers will not properly resolve Domain Names in the private IP blocks.

The only thing that I can suggest is for you to do a manual DNS lookup on some site that carries no restrictions, via web browser, and use the provided IP address in place of the domain name.

Canada's ISPs do this a lot. I suspect that it is tied into getting rid of private http servers. This is just like the pseudo E-mail providers, (Gmail, Yahoo & the like), trying to gain total control over the E-mail information network, by refusing mail from private E-mail servers, and, of course, refusing to tell their users that they are doing so.

If demand warrants it I'll consider buying some space on a commercial server, but my setup is more than capable of carrying a large load so... I don't see this happening any time soon.

I can ping your server but after retrieving just one page I get the following for further requests (2 of the pages were requested at almost the same time on different tabs, only one loaded and further attempts fail):
Network Timeout     
The operation timed out when attempting to contact www.self-wrighting.net.       
The requested site did not respond to a connection request and the browser has stopped waiting for a reply.
    * Could the server be experiencing high demand or a temporary outage?  Try again later.
    * Are you unable to browse other sites? Check the computer's network connection.
    * Is your computer or network protected by a firewall or proxy?  Incorrect settings can interfere with Web browsing.
    * Still having trouble? Consult your network administrator or Internet provider for assistance.

As there are two reports now, I suspect it to be at the server side.
     
     

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Re: somewhere out there
« Reply #7 on: 2008.10.11, 21:26:26 »
abwillis.

I rebooted the server a few times while installing SAMBA.

I suspect that's when you were trying to connect.

Let me know if you still are having troubles.


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Re: somewhere out there
« Reply #8 on: 2008.10.11, 23:38:49 »
abwillis.

I rebooted the server a few times while installing SAMBA.

I suspect that's when you were trying to connect.

Let me know if you still are having troubles.


Still a problem here... after the browser failed I tried wget so that I could see what it was doing and it resolved the hostname but timed out connecting on port 80.  I then tried to telnet to port 80 and it times out as well.

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Re: somewhere out there
« Reply #9 on: 2008.10.11, 23:49:51 »

abwillis

There isn't much I can to add here.

I had a few people check it out over on #netlabs and they all had no problem whatsoever. The slowest connection was 2-3 secs and everything loaded fine.

BTW, I do not allow telnet connections. If you tried that you might have gotten yourself banned by InJoy.

PM, (or E-mail), your IP address to me and I'll check it against the Blacklist.

Other than that, I suspect that you are suffering from the same problem as Saijin_Naib.

It is unfortunate, but...
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Re: somewhere out there
« Reply #10 on: 2008.10.12, 01:11:23 »
Injoy would not have known it was telnet as it would just see it as a browser connection as I was on port 80. Besides it being after the browser had already failed.  Not a big deal.

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Re: somewhere out there
« Reply #11 on: 2008.10.12, 01:44:44 »
Ben, your forum signature image is hosted on your site as well, correct? It's no longer showing up here nor can I reach your page.

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« Reply #12 on: 2008.10.12, 02:09:18 »
Ben, your forum signature image is hosted on your site as well, correct? It's no longer showing up here nor can I reach your page.
His image seems to be hosted on OS2World... at least when I right click on it (it shows here) I have the option to block images from OS2World.
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Re: somewhere out there
« Reply #13 on: 2008.10.12, 03:16:23 »
Ben, your forum signature image is hosted on your site as well, correct? It's no longer showing up here nor can I reach your page.

My signature image is on my site.

My guess is, for some reason, that you've been blacklisted.

Are you at the "Rochester Institute of Technology" by any chance?

If my firewall is a bit tight, I can tweak it a bit.

InJoy added 6 IP addresses to the list, an unusually high number for one day.

I temporarily disabled them to see if it alleviates any of the problems that you and abwillis are having.

Let me know the results.
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Re: somewhere out there
« Reply #14 on: 2008.10.12, 03:24:12 »
Yes, I am currently at RIT. We own the whole 129. range apparently, so any connection from a 129. will be from RIT. It worked for a second until I accessed your site then I guess I was blocked again.