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OS/2 in MAC G4 Powerbok, virtual PC?

Started by W3HYM, 2007.05.23, 03:19:08

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W3HYM

My first post, after discovering this forum.  I was a heavy OS/2 WARP (v3 and v4) user, back in the mid 1990s.  Now that I have more time on my hand, I am trying to get back to OS/2.  I am sorry to see BIG BLUE drop OS/2.

My quesgtion, I have MAC G4 Powerbook, with virtual PC.  Will OS/2 run in Virtual PC?  Since there are no 3.5 inch floppy drives, how do I use these disks to install?  Putting them somehow on CD before OS/2 CD? 

What issues should I expect?

David  --  W3HYM

RobertM

Quote from: W3HYM on 2007.05.23, 03:19:08
My first post, after discovering this forum.  I was a heavy OS/2 WARP (v3 and v4) user, back in the mid 1990s.  Now that I have more time on my hand, I am trying to get back to OS/2.  I am sorry to see BIG BLUE drop OS/2.

My quesgtion, I have MAC G4 Powerbook, with virtual PC.  Will OS/2 run in Virtual PC?  Since there are no 3.5 inch floppy drives, how do I use these disks to install?  Putting them somehow on CD before OS/2 CD? 

What issues should I expect?

David  --  W3HYM

Get eComStation - will install right off the CD - or OS/2 releases from Warp 4.51 to Warp 4.52 (which are near impossible to obtain)... so eComStation (www.eComStation.com) is your best bet.



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BigWarpGuy

Is the MAC G4 Powerbook one with the Intel chip/chipset? ??? There are those who are installing ReactOS onto a Mac computer; http://www.reactos.org/forums (ReactOS is an open source clone of WinNT). If one could install ReactOS, why not eCS? http://www.ecomstation.com .  ???   ;D

Glenn

Quote from: RobertM on 2007.05.23, 05:00:34
OS/2 releases from Warp 4.51 to Warp 4.52 [...] are near impossible to obtain

For people in academics (TAs/RAs/Teachers and their students), Warp 4.51/4.52 and WSeB with Software Choice vol.9 are available (as well as SmartSuite 1.7.3 and a few other things like WebSphere, etc.) as free downloads from the IBM Academic Initiative website. You have to have your academic coordinator/supervisor send an email to IBM in order to get registered. After approval, you just need to login and download...

W3HYM

Thank you for feedback.  I take it that ecs is replacement to OS/2.


On academic, I was years back.  But now in my retirement, I am taking courses at a local university.  Thus, I may be qualified.  I shall check it out.


But from the posts, seems that eCS is best investment.  I saw the price at 159.00 as upgrade to Warp 4, which I have. 


RobertM

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Quote from: W3HYM on 2007.05.23, 22:28:47
Thank you for feedback.  I take it that ecs is replacement to OS/2.


On academic, I was years back.  But now in my retirement, I am taking courses at a local university.  Thus, I may be qualified.  I shall check it out.


But from the posts, seems that eCS is best investment.  I saw the price at 159.00 as upgrade to Warp 4, which I have. 




Yep, eCS is the replacement for OS/2... also, you might want to check to see if you qualify for an academic discount (and see if it is more than the upgrade discount). Keep in mind, eCS v2 is due out soon, so you may want to purchase the 1 year upgrade/support subscription which should entitle you to the new release, and does also entitle you to all the updates, new drivers and beta code as well...

I would suggest buying from BMTMicro or Mensys.nl - personally I am very happy with both... though primarily I choose Mensys for my purchases because I find it very easy to look up what I have bought, have access to updated version and license keys all in my account section.

Worth the price either way. I've done 4 Emergency Medical Services server installs so far (100 left to go), and all are running eCS 1.2 - the upcoming ones will be eCS v2 as soon as that is released. My customers have been thrilled that the servers are pretty much, plug in; set up; and leave alone. They werent used to something like that (as their previous servers were all Windows Server 2003). I'm finding (already knew - but the customers are realizing) that as a back end solution, eCS is incomparable, and the clients only care that it works and they wont have to call us every few weeks or months to fix some new issue. So far all of them are running HPFS, which the network admin at one location was flabbergasted by when I explained to him there would be no performance degradation due to file fragmentation as that rarely happens on HPFS. He of course was also impressed by the security and stability of the machine... and very thrilled that the only thing he had to do was assign a static IP and DNS info in their router and then just ignore the machine. (I too am thrilled with such things as well... my brother and I have a small business with 2 other guys helping us... it's nice to know I can concentrate on program updates and fixes and never have to see the boxes we deploy except for their bi-yearly cleaning... we dont have the time  to run out every time there is some major hotfix, or once a few weeks to check on virus scans and security - which would have been the alternative on a Windows solution; especially since these machines are hosting very sensitive medical data that cannot ever be accessible to anyone but the designated few at the EMS Stations responsible for that data... so on a Windows solution, we'd HAVE to make the trips to verify all is well as massive fines and the potential for big lawsuits are involved otherwise).

Of course, you probably already know all of this... I just happen to be in the middle of doing some coding for these jobs and felt I needed to gush a bit, in thanks to the wonderful product IBM made (and dropped the ball on) and the amazing work maintaining and extending it that Serenity Systems has performed in picking up said ball and running with it.

-Robert


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W3HYM



Thank you, everybody, for the feedback.  Don't assume that I, or anyone else, already knows. . . . .  I learn from each post.

I've got a good feeling that OS/2, and eCS, will work in Virtual PC on my MAC powerbook.  I do not have the new version with the Intel chip.  But the older version, where Virtual PC is a emulation of a PC running in the MAC OS X.  When I installed, I recall that I could install any windows OS, and DOS.  The emlation is a PC, not particular to any OS.  Thus, I suspect that I can run OS/2 and eCS.

You also solved the issue of no floppy drive.  I actually just learning about eCS.  I used OS/2 a decade ago.  But seems most software was for WINDOWS, not OS/2.  ODIN looks promissing, and I already downloaded, from somewhere.

Drivers for hardware always seemed to be a major problem with OS/2.  Problem was finding them.  I happen to have some old installation disks, from the mid 1990s.  Thus, some printers, as I am sure you know, came with driver disk, which included OS/2 drivers.

On network, I used Novell Netware, extensively.  One of my earlier Novell supplied Client disks, has OS/2 client.  But more recent client disks seem to have dropped OS/2.  Nothing is wrong with earlier OS/2 client. 

I recall problems with using Thinkpad 770z with docking station III.  Problem was no OS/2 drivers, or I had troiuble finding.  But I was able to get the station to work with Windows NT. 

From a business point of view, I needed time to get work done, not searching for drivers, and non existant software for OS/2.  This was a key reason that I dropped OS/2.  But, as I mentioned, OS/2 is like an old girlfriend, still in love. 

One of the major drawbacks of WINDOWS was often crashed, or simply stopped working. Kind of like driving down an Interstate highway, and the car stops  all of a sudden in busy traffic.  A crash.  My staff had option, back then, to use DOS.  They used DOS, and everything in WINDOWS was DOS compatible.  Nice compromise. 

OS/2 has a lot of characteristics that my staff liked about DOS.  Basically, fast response.  My head secretary, ten years ago, could type faster than WINDOWS WORDPERFECT could handle.  DOS WORDPERFECT was no problem, however.  I suspect the DOS WORDPERFECT running in OS/2 would have had same fast response as DOS.

I recall using  OS/2 on my early Thinkpads around 1995.  OS/2 v3 and later v4, then was quite impressive.  I liked OS./2 very much.  But the same Thinkpad could not handle WINDOWS NT.  Not enough memory, or fast enough processor.

Well.  Some of my past experience with OS/2. 

W3HYM  --  DAVID



Matthew Walsh

Chuck McKinnis gave a great talk on this at WarpStock earlier this month and I think if you look at the WarpStock web site you can download the talk and get lots of help.  Also there was a Demo of eCS - OS/2 on a power mac.
HTH
Matt W.