Hi,
okay Jan, so you want this to be around facts, yes?
I tell you a fact:
... Are you really not able to differentiate between a personal opinion about 'something' which
is not worth for 'someone' and an appeal to one ore more receptors not to do something???
Thorolf suggested to Peter not to go to Stralsund.
That equals not to go to WSE this year.
Fact.
If you and Thorolf continually try to explain that what he meant is not what he said, then why didn't he simply say what he meant?
What is embarrassing is not WHAT he did but HOW he is fightening to make us understand that what he said is not what was is written.
Moreover, people jump to the occasion and keep telling me "he didn't say what he said - are you stupid?"
If someone would tell you, that all the advantages of OS/2 are not worth for him to make a
use of it considering all the disadvantages, would you accuse him to run a campaign against
your favourite OS? Be serious!
Seriously: That is something different. Don't mix up topics here.
My involvement (before people came kicking my butt) was only the WSE story.
At the end of the day Thorolf is guilty for the most likely not very successful WSE this year,
No. If WSE is not successful then it's the responsibility of the organizers - but what I find intersting is that you express a personal viewpoint but missed on saying "IN MY MIND". The same as with Thorolf. The next thing that will happen is that you tell me "that is my personal opinion only, you jerk! Don't you get it?"
I get it. It's most likely not successful _IN YOUR OPINION_.
But the way you write it is irritating for others. It "looks like" a commonly known fact.
he is guilty, that Mensys again broke their promised release-date for the last RC (June 19th)
without the slightest comment on it, he is the one who is responsible, that Mensys wasted
year by year dreaming instead of starting a controlled project and so on and so on ...
C'mon, wake up. Is that fair?
Let me ask you this:
Let's assume you are a technical consultant for Hoover (not an employee).
They are about to create a new type of vacuum cleaner.
During the project they fail beyond believe, miss all deadlines and the product is ready for market 2 years later only.
You are fed up with Hoover because they never listened to your advice.
Now... you have two choices to express your opinion:
a) you stop working with them and whenever someone is asking you, you tell why
b) you stop working with them and put an advertisement in a newspaper to tell everyone how fed up you are and Hoover is a company of jerks.
Is b) fair?
Wouldn't it be more fair to let the crowd know, that Christian, whoms professionalism I do
really appreciate under normal circumstances, is paid for his 'press work' and that therefore
is at least the possibility for a not to neutrality biased position?
So the circumstances are not normal? What is not normal about the circumstances?
That _you_ are no longer behind eCS and/or Mensys? What is Christians share in this?
It would be fair to let the crowd know that is Christian is paid by Mensys, yes!
But then. why not let them know WHAT he is paid for instead of making such allusions:
- translating / editing Mensys press material
- translating / editing product manuals
- maintaining and relaunching web sites
He is not paid for letting people bash him to "defend Mensys".
He is not paid for trying to dig into cause-and-reaction analysis of peoples communications.
He is not paid for defending himself, his work and achievements and his opinions.
(Something you certainly appreciate: He gives his opinions for free...)
I read a lot of threads here and hesitated to post anything, but some of the members of this
forum still seem to belief, that there was or is any progress in the eCS-development.
AHHH, you did it again! Will you stop it, please?
Is that the reason why you signed up to os2world.com?
To get yet another place for your ANTI-whatever FUD-spreading trollism??
You have provided more than enough links to the intellectual diarrhea on os2.org. Let it be enough, please!
Damn, I was so glad and prayed the Lord that os2world.com was the last resort of happy people and objective criticism.
And now you German bores get in here to spread your FUDworks and spoil everything? THANK YOU.
The readers here will certainly appreciate to understand that Jan Lauer and Thorolf Godawa want to let the world know that Mensys is a company of imbeciles and that Thomas Klein is a dickless whimp and Christian Hennecke is a corrupt two-faced double agent of Mensys.
To make it clear, and the way of obfuscating the reality by Mensys and others makes it
necessary to quit the silence, there is NONE! It is bad, but it's still NONE!
Yeah, but people are either OK with it (because: what's new about it) or not.
What is all your fuss about? Why do you go everywhere to tell it?
We know there is no progress. We see it because of missing deadlines and not-working ACPI, etc.
Who asked you to run around and tell everyone who never asked for it?
Christian pointed out, that he is "not going to waste (his) time translating those threads".
If he is really a (the) 'neutral' part of the discussion and not trying to hide the reality, he better
should to proof that!
I can guarrantee, you'll be shocked about all the facts and details!
So you think Christian should spend hours and hours to translate YOUR opinions?
And by the way - I'm already shocked beyond belief by you. Thanks, don't need more.
The sad truth is:
Mensys and eCS are not THAT important to me.
I don't want to know what they are failing on, what they are doing, blabla.
That simply doesn't interest me. They give me a eCSC 2.0 or not, I don't care.
Even eCS is not important to me. It's fun to use it (although people like you are doing their best on spoiling it) but I am not FORCED to use it.
I can use Windows of any flavor, I can use Mac, Haiku, even Linux if I want.
Why are you so disappointed?
What is is that made you turn into what you are doing here?
I don't understand.
You are talking about truth:
... but it's far more efficient to spend time on the truth once, ...
...never comes true and let the community face the truth! ...
Regarding truth: WHAT is truth?
You are talking about _your_ perception of truth.
You again want to act as a missionary man and pull others onto your side by telling "what is the truth"?
And even if you are correct - so what?
If other people want to waste time and money despite all known facts... why don't you let them?
Don't you respect other peoples opinions?
It might not make sense for you to waste your time. Okay.
Why can't you accept that other people WANT to waste their time, regardless what you say?
Why can't you accept that Christian does NOT want to waste time on what you say?
...or what you think the community is waiting for?
well, tell me. It seems you know everything.
My best guess is: The community wants to have you and me stop wasting their time and get back to solve issues.
(just guessing - I might be wrong)
In the case you take the time for a reply, please keep personal bashing out and name facts only!
Triton
You want a fact? Here is one:
Although my nickname is "warpcafe" I always sign my posts as Thomas.
You are engaging in this discussion as "Triton", my dear Jan.
Now what does is THIS fact tell you?
Cheers,
Thomas