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My Smart Fortwo Pure

Started by BigWarpGuy, 2008.03.28, 19:31:41

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saborion2

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Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.03.28, 19:31:41
http://home.comcast.net/~tomleem/mysmartfortwopure.html The Smart Fortwo might be more common in Europe but it is new to the USA. I had reserved one in July 2007. It arrived here at http://www.smartcenteredison.com four weeks ago. I bought it two weeks ago. It is really neat.  ;D   8)  http://www.smartusa.com

Re:
QuoteThe Smart Fortwo might be more common in Europe but it is new to the USA.
So, what about South America -
QuoteTakutu Bridge likely to be opened by July

http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=1867


Brazil and Guyana, here we come on OS/2 HIGHWAY 2008  ;D - so, please have those "ETHANOL" filling stations ready!   8)

The "beat" goes on "BigWarpGuy"  ;D  8) ;D

BigWarpGuy

http://www.smart.com does not list any South American countries.  :(

There is a similar size vehicle from Obvio from Brazil; 828 and 012.  ;D
I see thr green and orange 828 as something Goofy would drive (I like Disney's Goofy).
http://www.obvio.ind.br/obviona/home.htm
http://www.obviousa.com

saborion2

Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.04.21, 20:57:54
http://www.smart.com does not list any South American countries.  :(

There is a similar size vehicle from Obvio from Brazil; 828 and 012.  ;D
I see thr green and orange 828 as something Goofy would drive (I like Disney's Goofy).
http://www.obvio.ind.br/obviona/home.htm
http://www.obviousa.com


Whoooaaahh...... Good to see ya "BigWarpGuy"; and, you sure are bringing it on with Lotus (not IBM's  ;D ) and all.

QuoteOptions:

No Carputer PC would be complete without Internet, Instant Messaging and Web mail options. The integrated browser in iMobile“s Obvio! tilt and swivel carputer, allows you to review movie and restaurant listings, follow those auctions you're watching, or shop to your heart's content!*
   
With all the Audio and Video options included,  you can watch movies, live news, sports, and business information anywhere you go in a Windows based Multimedia environment with Dolby 5.1 output in digital SPDIF format, with XM satellite radio.

System supports Multi Format Audio - MP3, WMA, DVD-Audio, WAV and Multi Format Video - AVI, DVD, MPEG, WMV, DIVX. Includes a Pro-Acoustic internal ambience system with amplifier connected to speakers developed by ASK Sound Systems. An exclusive MiniFin integrated antenna for WAN, WWAN, Wi-Fi2, GPS, GSM-GPRS, FM and TV links it all together. And we didn't forget your iPod, there are four USB2.0 ports in the dash.

http://www.obvio.ind.br/obviona/012.htm


Although Brazil has been winning the US at soccer... let's see them beat us to the next frontier in the computerized method of doing business - COMFETAR LIVE. which I am trying to get out of the door before I try the Smart ForTwo or Obvio!  8)

Thanks.

SAB.

saborion2

Hey "BigWarpGuy"; here is something for you... Have you had a look around (Think City) as yet?  ;D

Quote

Think to bring all-electric cars to U.S. next year

http://www.news.com/8301-11128_3-9924678-54.html?tag=nefd.top


Guess that they will never stop coming.  ???


BigWarpGuy


Robert Deed

Ethanol requires radical redesign in order to be feasible.   Per gallon ethanol has a much lower btu output which translates into less power, which means larger fuel pumps, larger injectors, lower fuel mileage and larger fuel tanks. 

Ethanol also is expensive to produce and since ethanol cannot be feasibly used to power tanker trucks or tractors then the production of ethanol is going to be dependent on another fuel.

I am totally sick of the eco friendly adverts and green initiatives.  There is nothing any more "green" about any of it.  The only people who think ethanol is our future are companies which produce ethanol.  The only people who think electric cars are our future are electric companies.  And I've gone on about hybrids impact on our environment before. 

Out.

Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.04.21, 04:47:10
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.03.28, 19:31:41
http://home.comcast.net/~tomleem/mysmartfortwopure.html The Smart Fortwo might be more common in Europe but it is new to the USA. I had reserved one in July 2007. It arrived here at http://www.smartcenteredison.com four weeks ago. I bought it two weeks ago. It is really neat.  ;D   8)  http://www.smartusa.com

Re:
QuoteThe Smart Fortwo might be more common in Europe but it is new to the USA.
So, what about South America -
QuoteTakutu Bridge likely to be opened by July

http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=1867


Brazil and Guyana, here we come on OS/2 HIGHWAY 2008  ;D - so, please have those "ETHANOL" filling stations ready!   8)

The "beat" goes on "BigWarpGuy"  ;D  8) ;D


Saijin_Naib

Rob, OT as hell, forgive me, but are you in any way familiar with biochar and wood gassification? I am doing some research work on that now and I have had less than stellar success with my modest 23oz Aluminum can oven.

saborion2

QuotePosted by: Robert Deed
Ethanol requires radical redesign in order to be feasible.   Per gallon ethanol has a much lower btu output which translates into less power, which means larger fuel pumps, larger injectors, lower fuel mileage and larger fuel tanks.

Ethanol also is expensive to produce and since ethanol cannot be feasibly used to power tanker trucks or tractors then the production of ethanol is going to be dependent on another fuel.

I am totally sick of the eco friendly adverts and green initiatives.  There is nothing any more "green" about any of it.  The only people who think ethanol is our future are companies which produce ethanol.  The only people who think electric cars are our future are electric companies.  And I've gone on about hybrids impact on our environment before.

Out.

After reading several press articles and watching the news a few hours ago (the Russians saying that their oil production has peaked, crack down on the hoarding of grains in Turkey, food riots in Haiti a few days ago; and, with the hurricane season just a few weeks away...) you can bet there is no way dude that your words will be taken to the bank; at least, not by this soul. This economic situation (food, oil... ) is not an America only thing; it is worldwide. And, the "Brazilians" (apart from beating us at soccer) had it right the first time. 8) 8) 8)

Robert Deed

Other then understanding the principals involved no. 

Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.04.22, 07:30:27
Rob, OT as hell, forgive me, but are you in any way familiar with biochar and wood gassification? I am doing some research work on that now and I have had less than stellar success with my modest 23oz Aluminum can oven.

Robert Deed

The Brazilians hardly ever get things right, which is true of any government which acts in a reactionary way.  (including our own).  Progress does not come out of panic, it comes out of a clear understanding of the end results of your decisions.

Ethanol in it's current form is based off of corn.  Corn is food.  So I don't see how increased ethanol production could help global hunger.

You have to also look at the energy creation potential of every alternate fuel.  If it takes more energy to create something then can be created by that fuel this is a net loss, and seeing as you like to keep talking about your number crunching you should be able to see that this is not a sustainable path.

I have no doubt that the design of our cars and trucks and even aircraft will need to change, however care must be taken that we go in the correct direction.  This means you have to ignore your personal feelings on every new discovery and look to see if this is a system which could work.

Now, that being said ethanol has been around for a LONG time, and used to power engines for a long time, generally with less then stellar results.

Besides, we're hopelessly off topic in and off topic discussion.  Again, cool car BigWarpGuy..  been looking for something commutable (I am a 100mile round trip from home each day) however I don't know if the smart is really right for me.  I have to deal with snow, roads which have pot holes large enough to lose a smart in it =)  I guess I am back to looking at various VW TDI's =)  45-50mpg without any electronic tricks =) and full size to boot.


Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.04.22, 07:42:02
QuotePosted by: Robert Deed
Ethanol requires radical redesign in order to be feasible.   Per gallon ethanol has a much lower btu output which translates into less power, which means larger fuel pumps, larger injectors, lower fuel mileage and larger fuel tanks.

Ethanol also is expensive to produce and since ethanol cannot be feasibly used to power tanker trucks or tractors then the production of ethanol is going to be dependent on another fuel.

I am totally sick of the eco friendly adverts and green initiatives.  There is nothing any more "green" about any of it.  The only people who think ethanol is our future are companies which produce ethanol.  The only people who think electric cars are our future are electric companies.  And I've gone on about hybrids impact on our environment before.

Out.

After reading several press articles and watching the news a few hours ago (the Russians saying that their oil production has peaked, crack down on the hoarding of grains in Turkey, food riots in Haiti a few days ago; and, with the hurricane season just a few weeks away...) you can bet there is no way dude that your words will be taken to the bank; at least, not by this soul. This economic situation (food, oil... ) is not an America only thing; it is worldwide. And, the "Brazilians" (apart from beating us at soccer) had it right the first time. 8) 8) 8)


saborion2

QuotePosted by: Robert Deed
Ethanol requires radical redesign in order to be feasible.   Per gallon ethanol has a much lower btu output which translates into less power, which means larger fuel pumps, larger injectors, lower fuel mileage and larger fuel tanks.

Ethanol also is expensive to produce and since ethanol cannot be feasibly used to power tanker trucks or tractors then the production of ethanol is going to be dependent on another fuel.

Hey Robert;

From what I saw on the news after posting my earlier comment it will appear that the economic situation for some folks living here in the US is really getting bad - can you imagine folks taking long held family jewels to the pawn shops to be able to afford a few gallons of gas at the petrol station (in some cases to be able to keep a roof over their heads); so, come on dude where are the comparison figures to show that ethanol cannot be a viable alternative to imported petroleum products; also, why does it appear that the Brazilian engineers, scientists and other business people can get it right with Ethanol 85 (E85) whilst Americans cannot. Do you honestly believe that this is a time to be debating or is it a time for some real action? ??? ::) 8)


kim

Regarding ethanol the debate is going as well here in Sweden; if it's after all a such good idea to use ethanol. Sweden are currently the European country with the highest amount of ethanol cars. But, ethanol prices has gone up due to that, as some already claimed that the ethanol production is hurting the food production.

Some says that this is not true, but then again, whisky prices has gone up as well due to that corn has sky rocket as well due to that whisky producer now are competing with the ethanol producers. So I guess that there are some valid arguments in that ethanol hurts food production and is just not a smear campaign from the oil industry.

Also ethanol costs twice as much as gasoline produce and consume 30% compared when driving a car on gas. So I don't see ethanol as a good solution in the long end and neither for a short period to replace gas.

Regarding gas prices, we hit the highest price now here in Sweden; 12,99 SEK around 2,20 USD per litre - only think that Italy still beats us the price :-)

lwriemen

Quote from: kimhav on 2008.04.22, 18:58:36
... corn has sky rocket as well due to ... the ethanol producers. So I guess that there are some valid arguments in that ethanol hurts food production and is just not a smear campaign from the oil industry.

Also ethanol costs twice as much as gasoline produce and consume 30% compared when driving a car on gas.

There are a better ways to produce ethanol than with corn. As someone alluded to, Brazil is using sugar cane, which is more cost effective.

Scientists have found that switchgrass is also another cost effective source for ethanol, but in the USA, the corn producers have a good lobby that is keeping government subsidies for ethanol targeted at corn. Don't blame the scientists; they aren't the ones pulling the purse strings.

Saijin_Naib

You are correct LW. There is a method to produce fuel-grade ethanol from any Cellulosic material, but this is not fully developed and is much more expensive (probably due to lack of subsidies) than corn-based ethanol production. There is also a lesser known method that can be used to extract fuel from waste paper, but I know little more than just the general idea. Hopefully this summer I may work with this man and learn more.

saborion2

Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.04.22, 20:16:46
You are correct LW. There is a method to produce fuel-grade ethanol from any Cellulosic material, but this is not fully developed and is much more expensive (probably due to lack of subsidies) than corn-based ethanol production. There is also a lesser known method that can be used to extract fuel from waste paper, but I know little more than just the general idea. Hopefully this summer I may work with this man and learn more.

Hi Saijin_Naib; if one is to consider your reasoning from the standpoint of national food and energy security perspectives; then, how can your theories be applied in crises situations without any means of control over the availability of imported petroleum products for internal and external transportation, food production et cetera, et cetera.  :-X