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COMFETAR LIVE for OS/2

Started by warpcafe, 2008.04.25, 18:34:59

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RobertM

If (1) COMFETAR LIVE existed, and (2) Lotus was bought from IBM by Microsoft, then I would see that as possible. But since neither is true, I dont see a relationship. MS's "Cloud Computing" crap (it really is, btw) is simply a method of trying to force people into a subscription model for their already extant software (Windows, Office and various other Live! technologies) - while tying it into their advertising model to help them generate more money via their advertising services by extending them into all aspects of people's daily computing (check the patents they have filed or been granted in the last couple years - as well as some of their own announcements regarding them).

Their "Cloud" initiative is nothing more than that - and is irrelevant in all other respects. At least from the technical standpoint I have seen so far. I am very sure they do not want to enable any service that allows users to switch to other technologies (Lotus stuff, for instance) when it would severely hurt the one market they actually make money in (Office... Windows only makes money when they ammortize a 5 year lifespan OS over 10-20 years).

Just my thoughts on it,
Robert


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saborion2

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QuoteIf (1) COMFETAR LIVE existed, and (2) Lotus was bought from IBM by Microsoft, then I would see that as possible. But since neither is true, I dont see a relationship. MS's "Cloud Computing" crap (it really is, btw) is simply a method of trying to force people into a subscription model....]

Well, to be honest with you COMFETAR is not directly dependent on either IBM or Microsoft; and, this is so once an FOSS World continue to exist and here we have the OpenOffice and the Linux products at one's disposal. Incidentally, COMFETAR was conceptualize to mimic COMFAR

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COMFAR - the Computer Model for Feasibility Analysis and Reporting

http://www.win2biz.com/comfar/default.htm


with the one of fundamental differences between COMFAR and COMFETAR while being explained/described being "stripped" from this site out of legal concern sometime ago; and, it is questionable how this can be so when no one ought to lay claim to an known "Procedure" and "Formula and Functionality" (ERR) to some.

RobertM

Ah - then the issue is that, based on open source, it is still a threat to MS. Thus, you can feel free to re-read what I wrote with COMFETAR LIVE in that light. Another competing threat to MS's Office suite that I am sure they will ensure is "unsuited" to their cloud computing model.

Though... that doesnt mean it's not a good idea. OS/2 has been capable of the same thing for well over a decade. App serving and data serving through virtually any type of network. Wouldnt take much to make such a project suited to an OS/2 server.

Rob


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saborion2

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And; the anticipation keep building.....  ;)

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Hi,

the latest and full featured version of OpenOffice.org 3.0 is now
available through Ulteo.com using a web browser with a single click of
a mouse. No download or installation process of the productivity suite
is required. This new service by Ulteo offers many benefits for users
of the productivity suite, and is compatible with any operating system
that can run Firefox 2.0+ or Internet Explorer 6.0+.

http://www.ulteo.com/home/ooo

*Instant trial & collaboration*

Introduce OpenOffice.org 3.0 to others via email: invite them from
the Ulteo desktop to discover OpenOffice.org with just one click,on
the "Share" button and can give a personal tour of the program in
realtime. Invitations are sent via email and allow access in either
read only or full edit mode, simply by clicking on a link in the
email.

Using Ulteo's service, users can exploit features of OpenOffice.org
which may be missing from their current desktop software. For example,
OpenOffice.org can read and write Microsoft Office files, and generate
.pdf format files without requiring any additional software.
OpenOffice.org also reads and writes documents in OpenDocument Format,
the ISO-approved standard for office documents, which can only be read
in Microsoft Office after installing a plug-in.

*This new service is provided by Ulteo*

Ulteo powers the online version of OpenOffice.org 3.0:

http://www.ulteo.com/home/ooo

The Ulteo Team. <http://www.ulteo.com/home/ooo>


This development can be awesome; and, as I have never tried to see if it does..... Does (Firefox 3.0.3 (Official) for OS/2) run well on OS/2?

Thanks.

RobertM

Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.10.28, 20:51:44
And; the anticipation keep building.....  ;)

...

This development can be awesome; and, as I have never tried to see if it does..... Does (Firefox 3.0.3 (Official) for OS/2) run well on OS/2?

Thanks.

It seems to run fine for me. But it may only be part of the solution. While companies such as Google have embraced Javascript, etc for their online functionality, others have went with the newer version of Java and/or Flash - which are areas which are still lacking under OS/2.

Neither is a requirement - each method is a choice. Hence, gMail, Google Docs, and Yahoo Mail (including DnD support and such) work fine under OS/2 on FF2-FF3.

Robert


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saborion2

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Hmmm....

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[...Google have embraced Javascript, etc for their online functionality, others have went with the newer version of Java and/or Flash - which are areas which are still lacking under OS/2...]


Now, here comes the hocus pocus...

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Images: Browser-based Office

Microsoft confirmed Tuesday that it will offer new versions of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint that can run from within a standard Web browser. The browser-based editing capabilities, which the company plans to show off here at the Professional Developers Conference, are being developed in conjunction with the next version of Office, known as Office 14.

This slide shows how the browser-based product, slated to be released next year in a beta version, will let you view a Word document within Internet Explorer. If you want to make changes, open within the Word application itself or click to edit within the browser.

http://news.cnet.com/2300-1012_3-6247288-1.html?tag=mncol


Almost quite sure that this will not run under OS/2.... at least not at this stage of the game perhaps.  8)

RobertM

Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.10.28, 22:03:16
Hmmm....

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[...Google have embraced Javascript, etc for their online functionality, others have went with the newer version of Java and/or Flash - which are areas which are still lacking under OS/2...]


Now, here comes the hocus pocus...

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Images: Browser-based Office

Microsoft confirmed Tuesday that it will offer new versions of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint that can run from within a standard Web browser. The browser-based editing capabilities, which the company plans to show off here at the Professional Developers Conference, are being developed in conjunction with the next version of Office, known as Office 14.

This slide shows how the browser-based product, slated to be released next year in a beta version, will let you view a Word document within Internet Explorer. If you want to make changes, open within the Word application itself or click to edit within the browser.

http://news.cnet.com/2300-1012_3-6247288-1.html?tag=mncol


Almost quite sure that this will not run under OS/2.... at least not at this stage of the game perhaps.  8)


If, like all of their previous offerings, they follow their normal game plan, it will run on IE only, as implied in the portion "will let you view a Word document within Internet Explorer" - thus making it a Windows only solution, and following in the same path as I (and their recent patent and technology efforts) indicated below. Thus, OS/2 isn't the problem. A Windows/IE only solution is the problem - which all non-Windows systems are affected by.

Robert


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saborion2

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Quote[....If, like all of their previous offerings, they follow their normal game plan, it will run on IE only, as implied in the portion "will let you view a Word document within Internet Explorer" - thus making it a Windows only solution....]

Well, in order to level the playing field (if this is desired to a certain extent)... then, won't the onus be on OS/2 OEMs to get "whatever" they need to get in as must as OS/2 does not have to be exactly like Windows or Linux.... 8)

saborion2

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QuoteAs for the Lotus stuff, that is more a matter of your own personal choice.  Millions of websites worldwide run just fine without any need for Lotus products.

Otherwise, until something is actually up on the web (aside from in this forum) it is clear that you're talking about vaporware

Well, it just does not make much sense to folks like me if one can get an Office Productivity Suite like IBM's Lotus Symphony for free in these tough economic times

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The New Economy Is Calling

[....First, IT spending in general is likely to come under heavy analysis, which usually happens in any longer-term economic downturn. This directly affects telecom spending across all markets, from large corporations to SMBs. We may see project holds on new deployments of wide-reaching technologies, such as continued TDM-to-IP migrations that haven't already been completed. This Hold/Maintain directive immediately relieves project spending for an indefinite amount of time, and reallocation of those resources can occur.

Second, for projects not already in progress, new deployments are now more likely to move in the direction of open source solutions than ever before. When organizations are faced with a constant demand for technological development, especially in the areas of telecom / convergence, they will want to maximize the feature/cost benefit to the fullest extent. When an equally, if not greater feature set can be delivered for 30% of the investment, it becomes an extremely serious consideration. Remember, organizations struggling financially STILL have to furnish the basic IT needs - these aren't services that can be cut or abstracted away....]

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/34526?netht=rn_102808&nladname=102808dailynewspmal


Then, why spend your scarce IT $$$ on other similar solutions that you have to pay for?


RobertM

Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.10.28, 23:14:35
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Quote[....If, like all of their previous offerings, they follow their normal game plan, it will run on IE only, as implied in the portion "will let you view a Word document within Internet Explorer" - thus making it a Windows only solution....]

Well, in order to level the playing field (if this is desired to a certain extent)... then, won't the onus be on OS/2 OEMs to get "whatever" they need to get in as must as OS/2 does not have to be exactly like Windows or Linux.... 8)

The impossibility of that (as he Linux and Mac communties can attest to) is that Microsoft will not open source IE, nor do a feature compatible (if any) port to any other operating system.

Besides, your attitude in this post contradicts your more recent post about the viability of choosing a free, open source alternative - which none of the Microsoft endeavors are, or will  be.

Robert


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Saijin_Naib

IE was on Mac, and was feature compatible.

saborion2

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[....Besides, your attitude in this post contradicts your more recent post about the viability of choosing a free, open source alternative - which none of the Microsoft endeavors are, or will  be....]


Not really so; and, to the extent that data portability, archiving...are preserved; then, the other over-arching requirements would be for those required for "banking consumption..." and that is basically it.



RobertM

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Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.10.29, 00:22:18
IE was on Mac, and was feature compatible.

Was.. and was... hence my statement stands. Until IE7 and IE8 work for the Mac - and in the same fashion they do for the PC/Windows world.  ;)


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Saijin_Naib

I believe IE was dropped in favor of Firefox/Safari, no? And given all the bad press against IE7 (IE8 is proving to be much more interesting and desirable in terms of standards compliance etc) I hardly think anyone would want IE as a native feature-compatible product on any other platform. Hell, a lot of people don't even want it included on Windows (thanks in part to the inane Opera lawsuit).

/rant

Sorry, been one of those days :P

saborion2

Hi "Saijin_Naib"; I always liked these spirited "technical" details that yourself, RobertM and others indulge in when it comes to certain topics and I am wondering at this time (while listening in on a TV Program with regards to serious issues affecting some small business here in the USA - going out of business......); and, assuming that applications that are now being talked about in this thread are to be implemented "today" - then, what are some of the other alternative choices to that of the dominant Windows/Internet Explorer one apart from those that can/would be supported by OS/2.

BTW, "Saijin_Naib" - hope that you are not becoming "battle fatigued".  ;D