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GNASH open source Flash 7

Started by miturbide, 2007.05.17, 04:39:11

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miturbide


Supporting thread for the GNASH open source Flash 7 bounty. The original and old bounty thread can be found here.

Martín Itúrbide
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kim

Paul has earlier made a claim for the bounty money for the GNASH porting; but I also noticed that people have requested that it would be nice to get it as a plugin to browser. So the question here is what is the current status of the released code and what are the issues still to be solved?

And hopefully during the time that Paul spends to fix some more issues that we see some more USD added to the existing value.

warpcafe

#2
Hi folks,

well, ehhh... I didn't quite understand, I'm afraid... what are we talking about?
Whether or not Paul should be allowed the bounty?

In that case - heck - YES!
It was about "porting GNASH". And that's what he did, didn't he?
It was NOT about bugfixing GNASH or extending its features on the OS/2 platform.
So for gods sake: HE DESERVES IT.

And BTW: Paul will not stop working on something just because he got the prize. That's not Paul. :-)
As for the plugin stuff: People ae free to sponsor a new bounty for that, if that is really desired, but for now I see the bounty "fulfilled".

Regards,
Thomas
"It is not worth an intelligent man's time to be in the majority.
By definition, there are already enough people to do that"
- G.H. Hardy

bjorso


Paul will of cource receive his Bounty claim for GNASH, the main reason for not sending him the money yet is we wanted more contributions from the community, if possible. After all, this Bounty was very underpaid!

One of the problems with Bounties is that many users want things to happen, but they are not willing to contribute with fundings, in same cases even the suggesting person has not put a single dollar into his wish. We have no right to except that things shall fall down from the sky. ;)

Personally I am very impressed by Paul, how can hi manage to make so many things happen with so little feedback?   

//Björn

Paul Smedley

Hi Björn (and others),

Quote from: Björn Söderström on 2007.05.18, 10:38:30
Personally I am very impressed by Paul, how can hi manage to make so many things happen with so little feedback? 
//Björn

Personally, I gotta say, that one of the things that pisses me off the most about the OS/2/eComStation community is the general complete lack of feedback.

I get download reports from Mensys (who kindly host download.smedley.info), so I know how many times things have been loaded, but I get extremely little feedback.  You'll notice some ports on my site that haven't been updated in a long time - generally this means that there's been so little feedback, that I can't be bothered updating the port.

Of course if it's something that I use myself, then it tends to get updates as soon as I notice a new version.

Anyway, rant off :)

Cheers/2

Paul.

bjorso


Hi Paul,

I am not surpriced that you experience the same things that other people that is trying to do things also do. It's not good that this community is so bad concerning communication. I will not complain myself since I am not involved in development but I have experienced the same feeling when doing translations, and I have done a lot of them. If I had received feedback, it had probably resulted in better translations!?

I think something has to be done about this bad habits in this society, otherwise it's possible to lose the few hard working developers that is left, and that must not happen. :(

//Björn

warpcafe

Hi folks,

...so you are waiting for more money to give to Paul? This is fine with me - I'll care about that. Check back the bounty in a couple of minutes. ;-) It's not because you asked for it, it's rather something I was thinking about myself already during the last days. It's a shame. People are great when finding excuses for not paying 5 bucks "because I have no credit card", "...paypal", "...bank acoount".... bla, bla...

Why not come up with the idea of "feedbackware"?
People will get a "free" license onyl if they provide "valueable" feedback, e.g. system setup, config.sys, etc. they are running the program with. No feedback - no usage. :-)

CU
Thomas
"It is not worth an intelligent man's time to be in the majority.
By definition, there are already enough people to do that"
- G.H. Hardy

warpcafe

Hi all,

as I can't stay to see folks like Paul (who provide ongoing support and efforts to the "community") suffering from the shame of being not rewarded for it, I have raised the bounty a little (bucks should arrive in a couple of minutes).

I can't help but repeating it again:
I understand that many people don't have the (financial) means to express their thankfulness or at least to support developers. But a simple "hey, thanks!" should do however. If people could provide additional information like "It runs here and I'm using eCS 1.2 GA" that's already a valueable information, isn't it (to some extent; at least better than nothing).

Personally, I don't really use any of the things that Paul is porting to our OS (to my knowledge) but I'm pretty sure that a lot of stuff I'm using wouldn't exist without his work - because other peoples work is based upon his. "losing Paul" might not have any direct impact on most people's daily usage but it impacts 3rd party software that uses Pauls work.

And BTW:
I love that part where he says "what pisses me off the most...". That's it!!
I would love to see more people talking like that, maybe this provides a crispier and sharper image about the REAL LIFE situation of that so-called community.

Regards,
Thomas
"It is not worth an intelligent man's time to be in the majority.
By definition, there are already enough people to do that"
- G.H. Hardy

kim

Can't agree more so I added some for dollars as well; since I think this port is quite important for OS2 as well.

warpcafe

Hi Kim,

just noticed the *new* amount of the bounty, and - ahhh - this looks FAR better now. ;-)

Regards,
Thomas
"It is not worth an intelligent man's time to be in the majority.
By definition, there are already enough people to do that"
- G.H. Hardy

kim

Here is an suggestion that Björn Söderström talked about earlier regarding some kind of starter fee for the bounties.

warpcafe

Hi Kim,

interesting... will reply to that in the given thread...

Regards
Thomas
"It is not worth an intelligent man's time to be in the majority.
By definition, there are already enough people to do that"
- G.H. Hardy

bjorso


Thomas,

You express my feelings too about Pauls, and others peoples work! It's a shame for this society that we don't appreciate developers time and effort better than we seems to do? A friendly mail can be a good start from a user.

You are correct that most users probably don't use Pauls ports directly, but it's a good habit to think a little longer than you can see! I have started to use Kdiff3 since I need a tool for filecomparing when I perform translations. It's not on the bounty system but I have told Paul that I am grateful that hi did that port available for us.

P.S. I have also made a contribution for GNASH.

I like your idea about "feedbackware", it should be part of good manners.

//Björn


melf

I have to express a slightly differing opinion in this thread. I understand the frustration and the need of appreciation, but I think that the moralistic line in this thread is just leading to more bitterness and also a somewhat whining tone. We can't force appreciation, though we can try to think more of developers need to get feedback and appreciation.

I think the only cure for this bitterness and frustration is that developers charge their products or/and work. Lets say you charge 10$ for one download of a port(price of course depending on different things). Ten downloads means 100$. You could call it "cheapware" or something. I would certainly pay 10$ for a port or program I need or like when there is an immediate connection between paying and getting. I get satisfied and so is the developer, we don't have to rely on good manners or actions to not be ashamed. The voulontary payment will is a to weak force and misses that direct connection. If you want people to try software for you, Warpcafés "feedbackware" maybee is the right thing, but I wonder if that is possible with ports of eg GPL licensed programs?

AFAIK you can take any charge you want for a GPL- licensed program if you just attach the sourcecode?
/Mikael

RobertM

Quote from: warpcafe on 2007.05.21, 14:21:20
Hi all,

as I can't stay to see folks like Paul (who provide ongoing support and efforts to the "community") suffering from the shame of being not rewarded for it, I have raised the bounty a little (bucks should arrive in a couple of minutes).

I can't help but repeating it again:
I understand that many people don't have the (financial) means to express their thankfulness or at least to support developers. But a simple "hey, thanks!" should do however. If people could provide additional information like "It runs here and I'm using eCS 1.2 GA" that's already a valueable information, isn't it (to some extent; at least better than nothing).

Personally, I don't really use any of the things that Paul is porting to our OS (to my knowledge) but I'm pretty sure that a lot of stuff I'm using wouldn't exist without his work - because other peoples work is based upon his. "losing Paul" might not have any direct impact on most people's daily usage but it impacts 3rd party software that uses Pauls work.

And BTW:
I love that part where he says "what pisses me off the most...". That's it!!
I would love to see more people talking like that, maybe this provides a crispier and sharper image about the REAL LIFE situation of that so-called community.

Regards,
Thomas


I too contributed some small funding to Paul - though not through the Bounty System. I did it directly from his page because I use at least 3 or 4 of the ports he maintains (though I have downloaded quite a few more and not had time to play with the rest yet). Perhaps I should have done it through the Bounty System, but the funds I sent were a general "Thank You" for all his work, not just the work on GNASH - and as always Paul was gracious and quick to send a note of thanks (humourously, for what amounted to my note of thanks to him!!  ;D )!


As I have a bit more to contribute, I'll be sending it through the Bounty System to those involved. And... as I have more time, I'll send Paul and others feedback in the hopes it will help - and am always willing to test whatever I can when needed!

-Robert


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