http://home.comcast.net/~tomleem/mysmartfortwopure.html (http://home.comcast.net/~tomleem/mysmartfortwopure.html) The Smart Fortwo might be more common in Europe but it is new to the USA. I had reserved one in July 2007. It arrived here at http://www.smartcenteredison.com (http://www.smartcenteredison.com) four weeks ago. I bought it two weeks ago. It is really neat. ;D 8) http://www.smartusa.com (http://www.smartusa.com)
Haha, awesome! I want one so bad, but I am more interested in the (eventual?) arrival of the Smart Diesel/Electric hybrid, with projected milage in the 99+mpg range!
Nice color, dont see that too often. How does it drive/handle?
Not a big fan of the Smart but that is a great color.. just hope no neighborhood kids decide to pick it up and drop it in a pool or something =)
I had a friend with an original mini (the english version) and in high school we got 4 people picked it up and put it in the back of a pickup truck on it's roof.. =)
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.03.28, 19:31:41
http://home.comcast.net/~tomleem/mysmartfortwopure.html (http://home.comcast.net/~tomleem/mysmartfortwopure.html) The Smart Fortwo might be more common in Europe but it is new to the USA. I had reserved one in July 2007. It arrived here at http://www.smartcenteredison.com (http://www.smartcenteredison.com) four weeks ago. I bought it two weeks ago. It is really neat. ;D 8) http://www.smartusa.com (http://www.smartusa.com)
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.03.28, 20:54:19
Haha, awesome! I want one so bad, but I am more interested in the (eventual?) arrival of the Smart Diesel/Electric hybrid, with projected milage in the 99+mpg range!
Nice color, dont see that too often. How does it drive/handle?
I like how it handles. It is fun to drive. The automated manual transmission is unique. One can drive it as an automatic or as a manual. I got the Pure version. It will be neat to see the diesel/electric hybrid version and how they are able to put it in such a small vehicle. ;D
I heard that the older Smart's had issues with the Auto/Manual being really jerky/slow, is it smooth and appropriate now?
Small vehicle, small battery. I think a non-hybrid diesel would make more sense then a unleaded version, in such a small car an efficient small turbo diesel would easily get 70mpg (based on a 3200lb VW being able to get 49mpg =)
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.03.29, 00:10:11
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.03.28, 20:54:19
Haha, awesome! I want one so bad, but I am more interested in the (eventual?) arrival of the Smart Diesel/Electric hybrid, with projected milage in the 99+mpg range!
Nice color, dont see that too often. How does it drive/handle?
I like how it handles. It is fun to drive. The automated manual transmission is unique. One can drive it as an automatic or as a manual. I got the Pure version. It will be neat to see the diesel/electric hybrid version and how they are able to put it in such a small vehicle. ;D
Well, the Diesel smart gets about 70+, but the Diesel Hybrid is rated for 99+, so its noticeably more efficient. Dont forget, the smaller the car, the smaller the weight that needs to be driven, allowing for a smaller battery.
Thank you for repeating my post, I was saying that the diesel and the diesel hybrid should be the only models. Not everyone wants to have to replace batteries in their car.. and some of us are concerned as well about the ecological impact of all the improperly disposed of batteries which go along with hybrids.
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.03.29, 06:59:06
Well, the Diesel smart gets about 70+, but the Diesel Hybrid is rated for 99+, so its noticeably more efficient. Dont forget, the smaller the car, the smaller the weight that needs to be driven, allowing for a smaller battery.
Communicating poorly and then being smug about it is not the same thing as being witty, just so you know. :-*
Sorry to repeat your post, and yes, "some of us" are. Seeing as this will become my life's work, you can be sure that I am concerned as well. However, fear of misuse of a technology should not prevent the advancement of said technology and its dissemination. Fear is the enemy of progress.
An interesting topic/discussion indeed; re: "Thank you for repeating my post, I was saying that the diesel and the diesel hybrid should be the only models. Not everyone wants to have to replace batteries in their car.. and some of us are concerned as well about the ecological impact of all the improperly disposed of batteries which go along with hybrids......". So, how do the family of "six" set out on their journey? ???; and, will there be enough affordable "food" for all when they arrive at the restaurant? :-X
Well, these cars are not really marketed as a family vehicle, as you no doubt have noticed. They are for commutation use, and for such, they function brilliantly. A family mover would have to be a more traditional sized car, but this does not mean that they can not be efficient. Hopefully, the demand will increase and more and more manufactures will start making Hybrids/Alt-Fuels.
Great; but, did you miss the "will there be enough affordable "food" for all when they arrive at the restaurant? Lips sealed" part in view of the rising world market prices are the demand for rising oil prices continue to influence this; that, along with the cost of air travel..... :-X Might be a good thing also if there is an "embedded" version of OS/2 aboard to aid with "navigation". ;)
As I have said before I do not believe hybrid technology is the way of the future, I believe it is a step in the wrong direction because of the money involved in its development is being taken directly from the budget to use alternate fuel sources. It is good that it aids the development of better energy storage technologies, however I believe handheld electronics do more for that then cars could ever do. It is a function of scale. As cellphones and other forms of portable devices require small cells which long discharge cycles. As the technology gets better it could be scaled up easily.
Figure the car companies are spending money developing the technology and then they are putting a premium on the product because of it, then they are rebating in order to sell them (most cars sell for less then sticker as long as the owner haggles) They are in fact losing money on every one of these cars, which could be spent making alternate fuel a reality.
I think that the consequences of the technology and it's potential for misuse should indeed be a limiting factor of a products adoption and or use. When compaines first started making asbestos tiles for houses (both floor and shingles) these products were the height on innovative. They were thin, durable and insulated better then 4 inches of fiberglass insulation. They knew when they started to sell this product of its potential health problems. (MY house still has exterior asbestos shingles). These are safe when they are on the house, and as long as they remain in solid form. But if they are broken up and incorrectly disposed of the asbestos can get into water, can get eaten by animals where it is (on a smaller scale) an ecological nightmare. They were taken off the market 15 years after their adoption for this reason. To this day if you say the word "asbestos" to a contractor your house immediately gets covered with a huge plastic tent (another ecological nightmare.. lol) and men in hazmat suits get to remove the still safe tiles from the side of your home.
I believe the problem the "green" is the fact that people don't look at the long run with most of these products. I am tired of watching shows which showcase the future of eco friendly products and recommend people to use electric appliances (hot water heaters, furnaces and overns). Electric appliances and utilities are very inefficient when it comes to power to function. Electric ovens and stovetops cook very poorly and usually take as long or longer then their gas counterparts. Not to mention that a majority of our counties electric power comes from coal and petroleum to begin with, as too it that unlike natural gas distribution there is an inherient loss to electrical distribution, and the dangers of the distribution systems (high tension power lines).
There is alot of ignorance which goes into "eco" products. Don't get me wrong.. I will always buy a more efficient appliance over a lesser, I will always look for the better fuel mileage in a car which fits my needs. I would always go for the product which is made better, will last me longer and is made in a way which it can be easily recycled. However, most of these are economic drivers (and my own consciousness) more so then a reaction to the "green" campaign. Which even though there have been some extreme reactionary (even conspiracy) statements made by some in these forums I believe it is to some degree a campaign by our government to distract us. Energy prices are rising, lets blame the people and make them spend more money and stimulate the economy buying new products which they will never recoup the expense of (even though they will market them as saving you money in the first year). Never will they blame themselves for the short sightedness which got us into this position that was just good business. I don't believe that ignoring the future when you're trying to save it is any better then people having done the same in the past, and we can see what comes of it.
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.03.29, 08:10:39
Well, these cars are not really marketed as a family vehicle, as you no doubt have noticed. They are for commutation use, and for such, they function brilliantly. A family mover would have to be a more traditional sized car, but this does not mean that they can not be efficient. Hopefully, the demand will increase and more and more manufactures will start making Hybrids/Alt-Fuels.
Phew...., Guess I had to remember to breathe reading that one; anyway, re: "However, most of these are economic drivers (and my own consciousness) more so then a reaction to the "green" campaign...." Got to tell you dude I will be focusing on the Computerized (Model) for Financial, Economic and Technical Analyses and Reporting (COMFETAR) under OS/2 like a laser beam in these times. ;)
My contributions to "green" at home.. lol =) I'm running OS/2 on a 20" LCD monitor, with a 300watt power supply, a low voltage processor =) lol
ATI and Nvidia both have video cards out now which use 200Watts alone, not to mention some of the processors top 250watts =)
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.03.29, 17:31:52
Phew...., Guess I had to remember to breathe reading that one; anyway, re: "However, most of these are economic drivers (and my own consciousness) more so then a reaction to the "green" campaign...." Got to tell you dude I will be focusing on the Computerized (Model) for Financial, Economic and Technical Analyses and Reporting (COMFETAR) under OS/2 like a laser beam in these times. ;)
I hear you Robert, and I agree, I know hybrid drive isn't the solution, but its a good stop-gap and stepping stone. Peoples mentalities are going to have to adjust to a new lifestyle and product, and hybrid cars are enough of a compromise that they should be an easy pill to swallow.
As for asbestos, there are two forms: white and blue asbestos. One is harmful and can cause asbestoses, one is not. Most asbestos was actually the non-harmful one as the other was not as common. Go figure, sensationalism lives on to this day, with people freaking about asbestos any time they hear of it.
There is more to the Smart that I like, rather than just its fuel economy. I like the design philosophy, and the green mandate the company has. Its all available on the global smart website.
I did not realize there would be so many replies to my post. I was just bragging about my little car. ;D
As a hybrid, I wonder how they would put it in such a little space. There isn't room for a spare. Perhaps they can be like the diesel/electric trains where the engine powers a generator and the electric motors do the actual powering of the wheels.
Gas fuel is way more available than diesel fuel and some times costs more.
Got to tell ya "BigWarpGuy" and was curious to know what the heck was "Smart Fortwo" and thought that it could have even one of those "tricks" to get one to click on a link; but, as it turned out you are having to say this now; "I did not realize there would be so many replies to my post. I was just bragging about my little car. Grin" For sure, I just can't wait to have a go at the "numbers" on a "Spread Sheet" running on OS/2 so that we can have the/some actual figures to show and not rely on other people's assumptions. All in all I think that "Smart Fortwo" is really cool; and, many thanks for the info on it. Now, there are two products on the marketing radar screen - "Cassini", and "Smart Fortwo" ;D ;) ;D
"I just can't wait to have a go at the "numbers" on a "Spread Sheet" running on OS/2 so that we can have the/some actual figures to show and not rely on other people's assumptions."
What the hell does that even mean, and what does that have to do with anything?
"What the hell does that even mean, and what does that have to do with anything?" Now "Saijin_Naib"; are you trying to spoil a rather nice gaff or what. FYI at about 17-18 years old I had a stint at machining a few spare parts for a Rolls Royce that was presented to a training institution which I attended as an apprentice this alone should give an indication of the appreciation of babies like the "Smart Fortwo"; and, the "numbers" and "spread sheet" mention have much to do with the "economics" (energy saving...) of the ownership of a vehicle such as "Smart Fortwo". It may be quite understandable if "numbers crunching" is one of your favorite daily activities. 8). Hey "BigWarpGuy"; just to let you know that I have taken the liberty of forwarding "the link" to a few former colleagues of mine in Canada and South America. Here is what the email said in part; "This does not look like the PMTC's Rolls Royce but I really think that I am going to make my reservation". Quite sure you understand the feeling. ;D. Once again a really nice post and thanks for sharing. ;)
You are welcome.
http://www.smart.com (http://www.smart.com) This is the global link for Smart. :) It would be neat one day to make the Smart Fortwo 'smart' by installing a car computer. I saw a book and site called 'Geek My Ride'. :)
http://www.geekmyride.net/ (http://www.geekmyride.net/) There is a mini-itx project that is similar. http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/bmwpc/ (http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/bmwpc/) 8)
There are pre-built Car-puters on Ebay (for much too much $ if you ask me) that use mini-itx and the VIA C7 series processors.
Heres a service that will prepare a Liliput Touch screen (http://www.mechatroniks.com/wrx/ordering.html). I saw it in a car tuning magazine over the summer.
Some prepared Double-Din touchscreens (http://www.digitalww.com/store/products.asp?cat=8)
I book marked both sites. Thanks for the links. ;D
8)
http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=39#pxdio (http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=39#pxdio)
http://www.mini-itx.com/reviews/pico-itx/ (http://www.mini-itx.com/reviews/pico-itx/)
The small main board (picot itx) for a small car (computer)? ??? 8)
I've built several mini itx computers for cars (more specifically VW Jetta & Golf). Integrating them into the system by installing them inside of the cd changer, and using pre-existing cabling for power. The mini-itx is a great platform and really fun to work with.
I however do not use touchscreens. I've found the quality of the screens to be too hit or miss to be worth the effort. My systems were using a bluetooth keyboard with a custom dongle which I made (so that it supports OS/2). The systems are running ecs, w/ firefox a os/2 compatible wifi and z! on one of the systems, while the others use xp w/ a custom shell which I wrote.
The only thing I am not sure of on the smart is if the smart uses standard sized din's for the radio. This can hurt your avility to use over the counter displays, you may need to custom fabricate something.
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.03.31, 02:05:53
You are welcome.
http://www.smart.com (http://www.smart.com) This is the global link for Smart. :) It would be neat one day to make the Smart Fortwo 'smart' by installing a car computer. I saw a book and site called 'Geek My Ride'. :)
http://www.geekmyride.net/ (http://www.geekmyride.net/) There is a mini-itx project that is similar. http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/bmwpc/ (http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/bmwpc/) 8)
BTW... BigWarpGuy... let me know this winter how it is in the snow =) I have plans to buy something slightly more economical then my modded 270hp turbocharged 1.8 Jetta.. I'm looking for something in the 40+ range since my car currently gets about 30-32. Chances are I am going to take the jump to a rabbit or jetta tdi (~50mpg) or a Tiguan (new compact VW SUV) tdi which will be about 49mpg. There is a service station near me which sells biodiesel quite a bit less expensive thenthe premium fuel my jetta drinks.
There isn't a lot of snow that comes down in New Jersey. The last winter was really mild with little snow coming down. There might be more snow this fall but it is a wait and see type of thing. To drive in the snow, I might have to drive north to find some to drive in. ;D It handles well in the rain. We get a lot of rain in New Jersey. I think we might change our logo from the Garden State to the Americas Rain Forest since we get a lot more rain than snow. :D When and if we get some snow in the fall, I will let you know how well it handles. 8)
It is neat that you have a place where bio-diesel is available and at a low(er) price. I think that is cool.
If you go to the Smart international site at http://www.smart.com (http://www.smart.com) , there is a photo of a Smart that has 'micro hybrid drive' on it. I guess it would have to be a micro version of they hybrid drive system since the Smart is so small. ;D
Weird, I didnt know you were in NJ too BWG. How does it handle the potholes on 287 and 78? :P Have you been highway cruising yet?
Re: "I think we might change our logo from the Garden State to the Americas Rain Forest since we get a lot more rain than snow. :D When and if we get some snow in the fall, I will let you know how well it handles. 8)
It is neat that you have a place where bio-diesel is available and at a low(er) price. I think that is cool...." How about running the "thing" on "ETHANOL". ;D ;D ;D
BTW "BigWarpGuy"; Is there an OS/2 User Group currently active in New Jersey?
Eep, Id suggest against ethanol. Nearly all ethanol is currently produced from food-grade corn, wasting food that could be used for human consumption. Not to mention ethanol has miserable efficiency, and it puts undue strain on all the engine internals as well as all the liquid transport mechanisms.
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.04.02, 21:12:25
Weird, I didnt know you were in NJ too BWG. How does it handle the potholes on 287 and 78? :P Have you been highway cruising yet?
I live in East Windsor New Jersey - Mercer County. I consider it central Jersey. I have read of an OS/2 group in the north eastern part of New Jersey but have not really got a chance to go their meeting. It is at least an hour north of me.
http://www.njlinux.org/ (http://www.njlinux.org/) It says it is a Linux group but also lists OS/2. http://www.njpcug.org/ (http://www.njpcug.org/)
It would be nice if there was an address or e-mail to contact them with.
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.03.28, 19:31:41
http://home.comcast.net/~tomleem/mysmartfortwopure.html (http://home.comcast.net/~tomleem/mysmartfortwopure.html) The Smart Fortwo might be more common in Europe but it is new to the USA. I had reserved one in July 2007. It arrived here at http://www.smartcenteredison.com (http://www.smartcenteredison.com) four weeks ago. I bought it two weeks ago. It is really neat. ;D 8) http://www.smartusa.com (http://www.smartusa.com)
Re:
QuoteThe Smart Fortwo might be more common in Europe but it is new to the USA.
So, what about South America -
QuoteTakutu Bridge likely to be opened by July
http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=1867
Brazil and Guyana, here we come on
OS/2 HIGHWAY 2008 ;D - so, please have those
"ETHANOL" filling stations ready! 8)
The "beat" goes on
"BigWarpGuy" ;D 8) ;D
http://www.smart.com (http://www.smart.com) does not list any South American countries. :(
There is a similar size vehicle from Obvio from Brazil; 828 and 012. ;D
I see thr green and orange 828 as something Goofy would drive (I like Disney's Goofy).
http://www.obvio.ind.br/obviona/home.htm (http://www.obvio.ind.br/obviona/home.htm)
http://www.obviousa.com (http://www.obviousa.com)
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.04.21, 20:57:54
http://www.smart.com (http://www.smart.com) does not list any South American countries. :(
There is a similar size vehicle from Obvio from Brazil; 828 and 012. ;D
I see thr green and orange 828 as something Goofy would drive (I like Disney's Goofy).
http://www.obvio.ind.br/obviona/home.htm (http://www.obvio.ind.br/obviona/home.htm)
http://www.obviousa.com (http://www.obviousa.com)
Whoooaaahh...... Good to see ya "BigWarpGuy"; and, you sure are bringing it on with
Lotus (not IBM's ;D ) and all.
QuoteOptions:
No Carputer PC would be complete without Internet, Instant Messaging and Web mail options. The integrated browser in iMobile´s Obvio! tilt and swivel carputer, allows you to review movie and restaurant listings, follow those auctions you're watching, or shop to your heart's content!*
With all the Audio and Video options included, you can watch movies, live news, sports, and business information anywhere you go in a Windows based Multimedia environment with Dolby 5.1 output in digital SPDIF format, with XM satellite radio.
System supports Multi Format Audio - MP3, WMA, DVD-Audio, WAV and Multi Format Video - AVI, DVD, MPEG, WMV, DIVX. Includes a Pro-Acoustic internal ambience system with amplifier connected to speakers developed by ASK Sound Systems. An exclusive MiniFin integrated antenna for WAN, WWAN, Wi-Fi2, GPS, GSM-GPRS, FM and TV links it all together. And we didn't forget your iPod, there are four USB2.0 ports in the dash.
http://www.obvio.ind.br/obviona/012.htm
Although Brazil has been winning the US at soccer... let's see them beat us to the next frontier in the computerized method of doing business -
COMFETAR LIVE. which I am trying to get out of the door before I try the
Smart ForTwo or
Obvio! 8)
Thanks.
SAB.
Hey "BigWarpGuy"; here is something for you... Have you had a look around (Think City) as yet? ;D
Quote
Think to bring all-electric cars to U.S. next year
http://www.news.com/8301-11128_3-9924678-54.html?tag=nefd.top
Guess that they will never stop coming. ???
http://www.thinkev.com/think/content/view/full/290 (http://www.thinkev.com/think/content/view/full/290)
I guess small cars is the next big thing. ;D
Ethanol requires radical redesign in order to be feasible. Per gallon ethanol has a much lower btu output which translates into less power, which means larger fuel pumps, larger injectors, lower fuel mileage and larger fuel tanks.
Ethanol also is expensive to produce and since ethanol cannot be feasibly used to power tanker trucks or tractors then the production of ethanol is going to be dependent on another fuel.
I am totally sick of the eco friendly adverts and green initiatives. There is nothing any more "green" about any of it. The only people who think ethanol is our future are companies which produce ethanol. The only people who think electric cars are our future are electric companies. And I've gone on about hybrids impact on our environment before.
Out.
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.04.21, 04:47:10
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.03.28, 19:31:41
http://home.comcast.net/~tomleem/mysmartfortwopure.html (http://home.comcast.net/~tomleem/mysmartfortwopure.html) The Smart Fortwo might be more common in Europe but it is new to the USA. I had reserved one in July 2007. It arrived here at http://www.smartcenteredison.com (http://www.smartcenteredison.com) four weeks ago. I bought it two weeks ago. It is really neat. ;D 8) http://www.smartusa.com (http://www.smartusa.com)
Re: QuoteThe Smart Fortwo might be more common in Europe but it is new to the USA.
So, what about South America - QuoteTakutu Bridge likely to be opened by July
http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=1867
Brazil and Guyana, here we come on OS/2 HIGHWAY 2008 ;D - so, please have those "ETHANOL" filling stations ready! 8)
The "beat" goes on "BigWarpGuy" ;D 8) ;D
Rob, OT as hell, forgive me, but are you in any way familiar with biochar and wood gassification? I am doing some research work on that now and I have had less than stellar success with my modest 23oz Aluminum can oven.
QuotePosted by: Robert Deed
Ethanol requires radical redesign in order to be feasible. Per gallon ethanol has a much lower btu output which translates into less power, which means larger fuel pumps, larger injectors, lower fuel mileage and larger fuel tanks.
Ethanol also is expensive to produce and since ethanol cannot be feasibly used to power tanker trucks or tractors then the production of ethanol is going to be dependent on another fuel.
I am totally sick of the eco friendly adverts and green initiatives. There is nothing any more "green" about any of it. The only people who think ethanol is our future are companies which produce ethanol. The only people who think electric cars are our future are electric companies. And I've gone on about hybrids impact on our environment before.
Out.
After reading several press articles and watching the news a few hours ago (the Russians saying that their oil production has peaked, crack down on the hoarding of grains in Turkey, food riots in Haiti a few days ago; and, with the hurricane season just a few weeks away...) you can bet there is no way dude that your words will be taken to the bank; at least, not by this soul. This economic situation (food, oil... ) is not an America only thing; it is worldwide. And, the "Brazilians" (apart from beating us at soccer) had it right the first time. 8) 8) 8)
Other then understanding the principals involved no.
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.04.22, 07:30:27
Rob, OT as hell, forgive me, but are you in any way familiar with biochar and wood gassification? I am doing some research work on that now and I have had less than stellar success with my modest 23oz Aluminum can oven.
The Brazilians hardly ever get things right, which is true of any government which acts in a reactionary way. (including our own). Progress does not come out of panic, it comes out of a clear understanding of the end results of your decisions.
Ethanol in it's current form is based off of corn. Corn is food. So I don't see how increased ethanol production could help global hunger.
You have to also look at the energy creation potential of every alternate fuel. If it takes more energy to create something then can be created by that fuel this is a net loss, and seeing as you like to keep talking about your number crunching you should be able to see that this is not a sustainable path.
I have no doubt that the design of our cars and trucks and even aircraft will need to change, however care must be taken that we go in the correct direction. This means you have to ignore your personal feelings on every new discovery and look to see if this is a system which could work.
Now, that being said ethanol has been around for a LONG time, and used to power engines for a long time, generally with less then stellar results.
Besides, we're hopelessly off topic in and off topic discussion. Again, cool car BigWarpGuy.. been looking for something commutable (I am a 100mile round trip from home each day) however I don't know if the smart is really right for me. I have to deal with snow, roads which have pot holes large enough to lose a smart in it =) I guess I am back to looking at various VW TDI's =) 45-50mpg without any electronic tricks =) and full size to boot.
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.04.22, 07:42:02
QuotePosted by: Robert Deed
Ethanol requires radical redesign in order to be feasible. Per gallon ethanol has a much lower btu output which translates into less power, which means larger fuel pumps, larger injectors, lower fuel mileage and larger fuel tanks.
Ethanol also is expensive to produce and since ethanol cannot be feasibly used to power tanker trucks or tractors then the production of ethanol is going to be dependent on another fuel.
I am totally sick of the eco friendly adverts and green initiatives. There is nothing any more "green" about any of it. The only people who think ethanol is our future are companies which produce ethanol. The only people who think electric cars are our future are electric companies. And I've gone on about hybrids impact on our environment before.
Out.
After reading several press articles and watching the news a few hours ago (the Russians saying that their oil production has peaked, crack down on the hoarding of grains in Turkey, food riots in Haiti a few days ago; and, with the hurricane season just a few weeks away...) you can bet there is no way dude that your words will be taken to the bank; at least, not by this soul. This economic situation (food, oil... ) is not an America only thing; it is worldwide. And, the "Brazilians" (apart from beating us at soccer) had it right the first time. 8) 8) 8)
QuotePosted by: Robert Deed
Ethanol requires radical redesign in order to be feasible. Per gallon ethanol has a much lower btu output which translates into less power, which means larger fuel pumps, larger injectors, lower fuel mileage and larger fuel tanks.
Ethanol also is expensive to produce and since ethanol cannot be feasibly used to power tanker trucks or tractors then the production of ethanol is going to be dependent on another fuel.
Hey Robert;
From what I saw on the news after posting my earlier comment it will appear that the economic situation for some folks living here in the US is really getting bad - can you imagine folks taking long held family jewels to the pawn shops to be able to afford a few gallons of gas at the petrol station (in some cases to be able to keep a roof over their heads); so, come on dude where are the comparison figures to show that ethanol cannot be a viable alternative to imported petroleum products; also, why does it appear that
the Brazilian engineers, scientists and other business people can get it right with Ethanol 85 (E85) whilst
Americans cannot. Do you honestly believe that this is a time to be debating or is it a time for some real action? ??? ::) 8)
Regarding ethanol the debate is going as well here in Sweden; if it's after all a such good idea to use ethanol. Sweden are currently the European country with the highest amount of ethanol cars. But, ethanol prices has gone up due to that, as some already claimed that the ethanol production is hurting the food production.
Some says that this is not true, but then again, whisky prices has gone up as well due to that corn has sky rocket as well due to that whisky producer now are competing with the ethanol producers. So I guess that there are some valid arguments in that ethanol hurts food production and is just not a smear campaign from the oil industry.
Also ethanol costs twice as much as gasoline produce and consume 30% compared when driving a car on gas. So I don't see ethanol as a good solution in the long end and neither for a short period to replace gas.
Regarding gas prices, we hit the highest price now here in Sweden; 12,99 SEK around 2,20 USD per litre - only think that Italy still beats us the price :-)
Quote from: kimhav on 2008.04.22, 18:58:36
... corn has sky rocket as well due to ... the ethanol producers. So I guess that there are some valid arguments in that ethanol hurts food production and is just not a smear campaign from the oil industry.
Also ethanol costs twice as much as gasoline produce and consume 30% compared when driving a car on gas.
There are a better ways to produce ethanol than with corn. As someone alluded to, Brazil is using sugar cane, which is more cost effective.
Scientists have found that switchgrass is also another cost effective source for ethanol, but in the USA, the corn producers have a good lobby that is keeping government subsidies for ethanol targeted at corn. Don't blame the scientists; they aren't the ones pulling the purse strings.
You are correct LW. There is a method to produce fuel-grade ethanol from any Cellulosic material, but this is not fully developed and is much more expensive (probably due to lack of subsidies) than corn-based ethanol production. There is also a lesser known method that can be used to extract fuel from waste paper, but I know little more than just the general idea. Hopefully this summer I may work with this man and learn more.
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.04.22, 20:16:46
You are correct LW. There is a method to produce fuel-grade ethanol from any Cellulosic material, but this is not fully developed and is much more expensive (probably due to lack of subsidies) than corn-based ethanol production. There is also a lesser known method that can be used to extract fuel from waste paper, but I know little more than just the general idea. Hopefully this summer I may work with this man and learn more.
Hi Saijin_Naib; if one is to consider your reasoning from the standpoint of national food and energy security perspectives; then, how can your theories be applied in crises situations without any means of control over the availability of imported petroleum products for internal and external transportation, food production et cetera, et cetera. :-X
First of all.. I really doubt that people are pawning things to pay for fuel, and if they were then they would be doing it anyway because the 4 dollars per fillup extra that it has cost me over the last 2 years is certainly not causing me to go out on a pawning spree.
The U.S. economy is less about the price of fuel and more about everything else which is wrong today. We are still on average paying less per gallon of fuel then most of the world is paying for a liter (3.8l per gallon dude).
Second, Ethanol is NOT A SUSTAINABLE PRODUCT. Ethanol production is very expensive and uses huge amounts of resources (diesel for the tractors, petroleum or petroleum or coal based electric for the refinement, WATER.. yes.. Corn needs WATER to grow). It uses up crops which would be otherwise used for food. It does not burn at a sufficient temperature to be used efficiently in current cars. Cars which are compatible with it get much worse fuel economy while using it. A current production car would need larger fuel tanks (to keep the same range on lower mileage), larger fuel pumps to pump the extra volume required to MOVE THE CAR. Larger injectors to get the fuel into the engine, higher voltage ignition systems to get the fuel to the correct temperature in order to have a clean burn and avoid detonation.
Do you even understand how an internal combustion engine functions?
Third.. E85 IS AN AMERICAN PRODUCT. IT COMES FROM AMERICAN FARMERS. We sell it to other countries.
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.04.22, 18:25:47
QuotePosted by: Robert Deed
Ethanol requires radical redesign in order to be feasible. Per gallon ethanol has a much lower btu output which translates into less power, which means larger fuel pumps, larger injectors, lower fuel mileage and larger fuel tanks.
Ethanol also is expensive to produce and since ethanol cannot be feasibly used to power tanker trucks or tractors then the production of ethanol is going to be dependent on another fuel.
Hey Robert;
From what I saw on the news after posting my earlier comment it will appear that the economic situation for some folks living here in the US is really getting bad - can you imagine folks taking long held family jewels to the pawn shops to be able to afford a few gallons of gas at the petrol station (in some cases to be able to keep a roof over their heads); so, come on dude where are the comparison figures to show that ethanol cannot be a viable alternative to imported petroleum products; also, why does it appear that the Brazilian engineers, scientists and other business people can get it right with Ethanol 85 (E85) whilst Americans cannot. Do you honestly believe that this is a time to be debating or is it a time for some real action? ??? ::) 8)
Brazil still is using E85, good old American corn ethanol. While they have discovered ways of producing ethanol from other crops, as far as I am aware none are currently in production today. I have alot more faith in sunfuel since it is close to being viable, can be used in any currently available diesel engine without modification, has close to no co2 impact and diesel engines are more efficient then gassers anyway.
That being said, I love my Volkswagen 1.8t gasser =) Just wish it didn't use so much gas.. =) 29mpg isn't cutting it with my commute.
Quote from: lwriemen on 2008.04.22, 19:34:29
Quote from: kimhav on 2008.04.22, 18:58:36
... corn has sky rocket as well due to ... the ethanol producers. So I guess that there are some valid arguments in that ethanol hurts food production and is just not a smear campaign from the oil industry.
Also ethanol costs twice as much as gasoline produce and consume 30% compared when driving a car on gas.
There are a better ways to produce ethanol than with corn. As someone alluded to, Brazil is using sugar cane, which is more cost effective.
Scientists have found that switchgrass is also another cost effective source for ethanol, but in the USA, the corn producers have a good lobby that is keeping government subsidies for ethanol targeted at corn. Don't blame the scientists; they aren't the ones pulling the purse strings.
QuoteFirst of all.. I really doubt that people are pawning things to pay for fuel, and if they were then they would be doing it anyway because the 4 dollars per fillup extra that it has cost me over the last 2 years is certainly not causing me to go out on a pawning spree.
Second, Ethanol is NOT A SUSTAINABLE PRODUCT. Ethanol production is very expensive and uses huge amounts of resources (diesel for the tractors, petroleum or petroleum or coal based electric for the refinement, WATER.. yes.. Corn needs WATER to grow). It uses up crops which would be otherwise used for food. It does not burn at a sufficient temperature to be used efficiently in current cars. Cars which are compatible with it get much worse fuel economy while using it. A current production car would need larger fuel tanks (to keep the same range on lower mileage), larger fuel pumps to pump the extra volume required to MOVE THE CAR. Larger injectors to get the fuel into the engine, higher voltage ignition systems to get the fuel to the correct temperature in order to have a clean burn and avoid detonation.
Do you even understand how an internal combustion engine functions?
Third.. E85 IS AN AMERICAN PRODUCT. IT COMES FROM AMERICAN FARMERS. We sell it to other countries.
I am a
Certified Level 11 NDT Tech. and attended Technical College in England and also prepared samples for materials testing for the "Concorde" airplane (and can tell you a few things about the production of
SWEDISH STEEL). Do the words
Engineering Thermodynamics make much sense to you?. And, Do you wish to know more. I can be your teacher. 8)
Actually yes, Engineering thermodynamics does make sense to me. Though I have never worked on a project as vast as the Concorde, I understand most principles of engineering. And obviously when you are dealing with an aircraft of supersonic speeds you are going to need to understand the effect temperature has on any materials which the aircraft is constructed.
This however does not have any relation to the argument that ethanol is a good product. It is clearly documented even by ethanol producers and the auto industry that ethanol is not a good way to power an internal combustion engine. Any product which uses more energy to create then can be gained from the use of that energy source is non-sustainable. This doesn't change no matter how much you "know".
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.04.23, 07:57:42
QuoteFirst of all.. I really doubt that people are pawning things to pay for fuel, and if they were then they would be doing it anyway because the 4 dollars per fillup extra that it has cost me over the last 2 years is certainly not causing me to go out on a pawning spree.
Second, Ethanol is NOT A SUSTAINABLE PRODUCT. Ethanol production is very expensive and uses huge amounts of resources (diesel for the tractors, petroleum or petroleum or coal based electric for the refinement, WATER.. yes.. Corn needs WATER to grow). It uses up crops which would be otherwise used for food. It does not burn at a sufficient temperature to be used efficiently in current cars. Cars which are compatible with it get much worse fuel economy while using it. A current production car would need larger fuel tanks (to keep the same range on lower mileage), larger fuel pumps to pump the extra volume required to MOVE THE CAR. Larger injectors to get the fuel into the engine, higher voltage ignition systems to get the fuel to the correct temperature in order to have a clean burn and avoid detonation.
Do you even understand how an internal combustion engine functions?
Third.. E85 IS AN AMERICAN PRODUCT. IT COMES FROM AMERICAN FARMERS. We sell it to other countries.
I am a Certified Level 11 NDT Tech. and attended Technical College in England and also prepared samples for materials testing for the "Concorde" airplane (and can tell you a few things about the production of SWEDISH STEEL). Do the words Engineering Thermodynamics make much sense to you?. And, Do you wish to know more. I can be your teacher. 8)
saborion2,
Here's a link to something interesting...
$1/Gallon "Green Gasoline" In Sight (http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/22/2120218)
And, unlike your links and posts, it's actually relevant! ;)
Enjoy!
Robert
Re:
QuoteThis however does not have any relation to the argument that ethanol is a good product. It is clearly documented even by ethanol producers and the auto industry that ethanol is not a good way to power an internal combustion engine. Any product which uses more energy to create then can be gained from the use of that energy source is non-sustainable. This doesn't change no matter how much you "know".
Guess that you are quite free to say whatever "you" wish, anyway it will all come down to this; and, that is - others will have their "say" too: ;D
QuoteWhat really interested me about this was that grain alcohol (ethanol) is a renewable fuel, and also, it is pretty much pollution free, since the by-products of combustion are only water and CO2. Furthermore, it is economical to make, and your car will run cooler, faster, and better on ethanol. And, best of all, you don't have to fight wars in the Middle East to protect it.
The reason I call it "sunlight in a bottle" is because ethanol is a liquid solar fuel which can be used in internal combustion engines. It really is a very concentrated form of sunlight. (Moonshiners call it "white lightining", but for a very different reason.)
Think about it: plants are the world's most advanced solar collectors, and they have been at it for millions of years. Petroleum is fossilized solar energy, but present-day sunlight is stored by plants in the form of sugars and starches. Yeasts are little critters which like to eat sugar and alcohol is their waste product. Yeast organisms convert the sugar into a simpler and more useable form of energy.
You don't have to throw away the internal combustion engine to convert a car to run on alcohol: just some minor adjustments, really. Electric cars will still need to get their power from somewhere (usually the dirty old electrical grid), and they have to carry around a lot of heavy batteries, but only have an effective range of a couple hundred miles.
Alcohol, on the other hand, can give you the same miles per tank of fuel, with the same or better acceleration.
I personally have driven five of my own cars on it, as well as many others. I have been able to get the same miles per gallon on 160 to 180 proof as I did with gasoline. There is hardly any pollution: no heavy hydrocarbons, so no SMOG. Best of all, I found I had the freedom of driving around on a fuel I had made instead of buying it from fat cat oil barons. I didn't mix the alcohol with gas in those days: I ran it straight.
Quotehttp://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/
(http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/paul_dana_racing.jpg.w300h211.jpg)
QuotePaul Dana racing with E85 power!
Quote from: RobertM on 2008.04.23, 21:02:20
saborion2,
Here's a link to something interesting...
$1/Gallon "Green Gasoline" In Sight (http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/22/2120218)
And, unlike your links and posts, it's actually relevant! ;)
Enjoy!
Your post was hilarious; ;D I actually served a "five-year" period of apprenticeship with a large sugar corporation is South America; and, alcohol was one of the by-products that were manufactured. After graduation I moved up in the management structure that ran the operations.
And; "Experience teaches wisdom". 8)
And here is one which is relevant today because this plant is currently in operation and should be able to meet full production shortly, and to boot it can be used in any unmodified diesel car or truck, which means it can be used in all stages of product creation and transportation.. (hence sustainable).
http://www.azom.com/news.asp?newsID=3752
Quote from: RobertM on 2008.04.23, 21:02:20
saborion2,
Here's a link to something interesting...
$1/Gallon "Green Gasoline" In Sight (http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/22/2120218)
And, unlike your links and posts, it's actually relevant! ;)
Enjoy!
Robert
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.04.23, 21:05:18
Re:
QuoteThis however does not have any relation to the argument that ethanol is a good product. It is clearly documented even by ethanol producers and the auto industry that ethanol is not a good way to power an internal combustion engine. Any product which uses more energy to create then can be gained from the use of that energy source is non-sustainable. This doesn't change no matter how much you "know".
Guess that you are quite free to say whatever "you" wish, anyway it will all come down to this; and, that is - others will have their "say" too: ;D
This isn't an advertising campaign. Believe and say whatever you wish, this will not change physics. This will not change the facts. A bad product is a bad product no matter how good you may personally believe it to be. It is simply a matter of a particular molecular bond not being able to release enough energy to be worth the cost of refining said product.
Yes, Formula races are run on e85. These cars had a 30% drop in performance, so bad they were thinking about bringing the limit back up to 10 cylinders to make up for the difference. There is a big difference between competive racing and something which could be used in a street car. For one, the race cars are going around a track and their fuel supply is never far away. Also, f1 in general has fixed pit stops and regulated how often they need to refuel. Also, racing is heavily subsidized by sponsorships.. in this case.. a few companies which create and market e85.
Many of these cars have engines swapped out within one season. As internal combustion engines age their energy creation potential drops. This is because of wear of the pistons and seals and change in the compression of the engine. While formula cars will never experience this issue, a road car will over it's lifespan.. when you start with 30% less power, and then have to deal with the effects of time on the engine you will very quickly have a car which drives unsatisfactory. Not to mention, it makes for very hard cold weather starts.
I tend not to pay attention to adverts because it just leaves me looking like a fool.
Quote from: Robert Deed on 2008.04.24, 02:55:08
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.04.23, 21:05:18
Re:
QuoteThis however does not have any relation to the argument that ethanol is a good product. It is clearly documented even by ethanol producers and the auto industry that ethanol is not a good way to power an internal combustion engine. Any product which uses more energy to create then can be gained from the use of that energy source is non-sustainable. This doesn't change no matter how much you "know".
Guess that you are quite free to say whatever "you" wish, anyway it will all come down to this; and, that is - others will have their "say" too: ;D
This isn't an advertising campaign. Believe and say whatever you wish, this will not change physics. This will not change the facts. A bad product is a bad product no matter how good you may personally believe it to be. It is simply a matter of a particular molecular bond not being able to release enough energy to be worth the cost of refining said product.
Yes, Formula races are run on e85. These cars had a 30% drop in performance, so bad they were thinking about bringing the limit back up to 10 cylinders to make up for the difference. There is a big difference between competive racing and something which could be used in a street car. For one, the race cars are going around a track and their fuel supply is never far away. Also, f1 in general has fixed pit stops and regulated how often they need to refuel. Also, racing is heavily subsidized by sponsorships.. in this case.. a few companies which create and market e85.
Many of these cars have engines swapped out within one season. As internal combustion engines age their energy creation potential drops. This is because of wear of the pistons and seals and change in the compression of the engine. While formula cars will never experience this issue, a road car will over it's lifespan.. when you start with 30% less power, and then have to deal with the effects of time on the engine you will very quickly have a car which drives unsatisfactory. Not to mention, it makes for very hard cold weather starts.
I tend not to pay attention to adverts because it just leaves me looking like a fool.
Agreed,
Quotethis is not an advertising campaign
in addition to this, it is sincerely hoped that you are keeping an eye on the
"economics" as this is where the
Quote"numbers crunching"
aspects these discussions come in - hence the
relevant sophisticated computer applications; and, this is where we are at with
COMFETAR - LIVE. Hope you get the idea. ;D ::) ;D
Anyway, regardless of what you or I may think others are actually doing what they think is best for them and are pressing on with their activities. ;) re:
QuoteSugar cane diesel, gas, and jet fuel coming from Amyris
Amyris, a rapidly growing biotech company that coaxes genetically enhanced microbes to produce fuel and medicine, has signed a deal with two Brazilian companies to come out with a sugar-cane-based diesel and other fuels by 2010.
Right now, Brazilian sugar cane growers convert a substantial amount of their crop into ethanol. Ethanol, however, isn't as flexible a fuel as biodiesel. For one thing, only certain types of cars can run on ethanol-heavy fuels like E85. Biodiesel works pretty much in any diesel engine. Ethanol is an alcohol. Biodiesel and other fuels produced via Amyris' process are hydrocarbons. The hydrocarbons get produced by designer microbes turning food into fuel rather than geological forces, but they are hydrocarbons nonetheless. The well-to-wheel (or crop-to-exhaust pipe) output of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, however, is lower with biofuels.
http://www.news.com/8301-11128_3-9926823-54.html?tag=nefd.top
EVERYONE CAN APPRECIATE TECHNOLOGIES THAT GO FROM GAS-FRIENDLY TO GAS-FREE.
That's why Chevy offers seven models with an EPA estimated 30 MPG highway or better,(1) plus more vehicle choices today than any brand that can run on cleaner–burning, mostly renewable E85 ethanol.(2) It's also why we've introduced both Malibu Hybrid and Tahoe Hybrid–America's first full–size hybrid SUV.(3)
http://www.chevrolet.com/fuelsolutions/
(http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/paul_dana_racing.jpg.w300h211.jpg)
I know this thread is in the "Off Topic discussions" section... but the title of that section means...
NOT OS/2 related
BUT on topic for the particular thread... what that means is if the thread in that section is about Nuclear Physics, then the posts should be about Nuclear Physics...
...the occassional off topic post is fine. But it would be appreciated if the continuous, repeated, off-topic posts were minimized such as the repeated (in a dozen threads, including this totally unrelated one) posts that pretty much say nothing more than:
Quote
aspects these discussions come in - hence the relevant sophisticated computer applications; and, this is where we are at with COMFETAR - LIVE. Hope you get the idea.
...or perhaps I have missed the relationship of that to the current (and various other) discussion.
Thanks,
Robert
Quote from: RobertM on 2008.04.24, 03:30:18
I know this thread is in the "Off Topic discussions" section... but the title of that section means...
NOT OS/2 related BUT on topic for the particular thread... what that means is if the thread in that section is about Nuclear Physics, then the posts should be about Nuclear Physics...
...the occassional off topic post is fine. But it would be appreciated if the continuous, repeated, off-topic posts were minimized such as the repeated (in a dozen threads, including this totally unrelated one) posts that pretty much say nothing more than:
Quote
aspects these discussions come in - hence the relevant sophisticated computer applications; and, this is where we are at with COMFETAR - LIVE. Hope you get the idea.
...or perhaps I have missed the relationship of that to the current (and various other) discussion.
Do you actually read the comments, understand fully what is being gotten at with regards to the requirements for
an international project implementation such as that of a large hydro-electric facility or aluminum smelter; or, are you just commenting for that sole purpose? 8)
BTW;
COMFETAR - LIVE is the acronym for
Computerized Model For Financial, Economic and Technical Analyses and Reporting - Live (Real Time)All for your information and guidance.
Regards.
But Robert, we all know that hyping a product up is much more important then actually having a product which can be delivered. So actually, I see the connection. Ethanol is not a deliverable sustainable product, and neither is his much mentioned software =).
However, I actually enjoyed the original discussion about the smart and it actually did help me decide about some things, mainly that I would love to own one of those cute little cars except for the conditions of the roads on my commute. Anyway, I am stepping out of this.
Quote from: RobertM on 2008.04.24, 03:30:18
I know this thread is in the "Off Topic discussions" section... but the title of that section means...
NOT OS/2 related BUT on topic for the particular thread... what that means is if the thread in that section is about Nuclear Physics, then the posts should be about Nuclear Physics...
...the occassional off topic post is fine. But it would be appreciated if the continuous, repeated, off-topic posts were minimized such as the repeated (in a dozen threads, including this totally unrelated one) posts that pretty much say nothing more than:
Quote
aspects these discussions come in - hence the relevant sophisticated computer applications; and, this is where we are at with COMFETAR - LIVE. Hope you get the idea.
...or perhaps I have missed the relationship of that to the current (and various other) discussion.
Thanks,
Robert
Hey Robert,
As a relatively related side note, Chrysler just recently announced (most recent Detroit Auto Show) that they plan on releasing an all electric car in the very near future that should get over 250miles/charge and cost about the same as equivalent capability/size gas cars.
I'm looking forward to a solution such as that, which then can be charged via a home solar setup or a bio-generator or geothermal setup (a lot of promising things in the works in that front using geothermal and Sterling Engines).
Robert
That does sound interesting. I would love to see if Chrysler could do it, it might just make Diamler keep them around. Especially since chrylser/dodge one of the most fuel inefficient companies out there (along with ford). I really wish Chevy could get the volt out the door a bit quicker because that is one of the first electric cars I find somewhat interesting.
On the other hand, my home is fairly insuitable for solar panels and using public service would just be wasteful. However, I wouldn't mind having a volt for my commute and then having my gasser for when I would require greater range.
Quote from: RobertM on 2008.04.24, 05:04:24
Hey Robert,
As a relatively related side note, Chrysler just recently announced (most recent Detroit Auto Show) that they plan on releasing an all electric car in the very near future that should get over 250miles/charge and cost about the same as equivalent capability/size gas cars.
I'm looking forward to a solution such as that, which then can be charged via a home solar setup or a bio-generator or geothermal setup (a lot of promising things in the works in that front using geothermal and Sterling Engines).
Robert
Re:
Quote
Yes, Formula races are run on e85. These cars had a 30% drop in performance, so bad they were thinking about bringing the limit back up to 10 cylinders to make up for the difference. There is a big difference between competive racing and something which could be used in a street car. For one, the race cars are going around a track and their fuel supply is never far away. Also, f1 in general has fixed pit stops and regulated how often they need to refuel. Also, racing is heavily subsidized by sponsorships.. in this case.. a few companies which create and market e85.
Many of these cars have engines swapped out within one season. As internal combustion engines age their energy creation potential drops. This is because of wear of the pistons and seals and change in the compression of the engine. While formula cars will never experience this issue, a road car will over it's lifespan.. when you start with 30% less power, and then have to deal with the effects of time on the engine you will very quickly have a car which drives unsatisfactory. Not to mention, it makes for very hard cold weather starts.
I tend not to pay attention to adverts because it just leaves me looking like a fool.
Ok, ok... Robert, let us say you have
won the in the case/argument of the non-use of ethanol as fuel for transportation... now, just what effect will we now experience with respect to the cost of putting food on our kitchen tables, and the costs of transportation within the context of the world's petroleum production outlook? 8)
Quote from: Robert Deed on 2008.04.23, 07:36:28
Brazil still is using E85, good old American corn ethanol. While they have discovered ways of producing ethanol from other crops, as far as I am aware none are currently in production today. I have alot more faith in sunfuel since it is close to being viable, can be used in any currently available diesel engine without modification, has close to no co2 impact and diesel engines are more efficient then gassers anyway.
Well, actually as Brazil is the number one producer of ethanol in the world and among other the majority of ethanol used in Sweden comes from.... Brazil. Sugar cane did the trick for them. Also Australia is putting a lot of efforts into sugar cane to produce ethanol, due to the prices of oil, there is now a lot of money to be made. Read some where that Australia plan to be among the top 3 producers of ethanol in a few year.
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.04.25, 02:03:00
Ok, ok... Robert, let us say you have won the in the case/argument of the non-use of ethanol as fuel for transportation... now, just what effect will we now experience with respect to the cost of putting food on our kitchen tables, and the costs of transportation within the context of the world's petroleum production outlook? 8)
Hmmm...
Food production: negligible. In the US we burn enough related crops to feed the entire world 3 times over. In actuality, it may help lower taxes as the US govt will no longer need to subsidize so many farms.
Cost of transportation: Since it would reduce the need for petroluem based products, it should thus also lower their cost (the whole supply/demand thing - the closer towards a surplus, the lower the price - basic economics 101). In addition, it will mean more competition in the fuel market - the major petroleum companies will no longer control heating and travel fuel 100% (even though they may still control final distribution to a large extent - ie: the pumps at gas stations)... since they wont be able to artificially inflate the price of these products they dont produce, making them cheaper alternatives (even after factoring their distribution costs), it will be a more attractive alternative to fossil fuels, also forcing them to lower an already artificially inflated fossil fuel price to something more competitive.
At least those are my opinions on the matter... Robert?
Robert
Not much. Since food production and distribution is more dependent on diesel and there are plenty of alternatives which can be used in an unaltered diesel engine.
The oil companies and partner companies which are creating this stuff are just waiting for the right moment to step in and save the day. Obviously if 50% of our diesel trucks were given the option to run biodiesel at no loss of efficiency (in most cases increased mileage and service intervals) the prices of petroleum based diesel and heating fuel would plummet. This wouldn't be good either.
The argument is all academic. I believe the road we're going to b e going down is already paved, and they are just waiting to remove the cones and let us through.
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.04.25, 02:03:00
Re:
Quote
Yes, Formula races are run on e85. These cars had a 30% drop in performance, so bad they were thinking about bringing the limit back up to 10 cylinders to make up for the difference. There is a big difference between competive racing and something which could be used in a street car. For one, the race cars are going around a track and their fuel supply is never far away. Also, f1 in general has fixed pit stops and regulated how often they need to refuel. Also, racing is heavily subsidized by sponsorships.. in this case.. a few companies which create and market e85.
Many of these cars have engines swapped out within one season. As internal combustion engines age their energy creation potential drops. This is because of wear of the pistons and seals and change in the compression of the engine. While formula cars will never experience this issue, a road car will over it's lifespan.. when you start with 30% less power, and then have to deal with the effects of time on the engine you will very quickly have a car which drives unsatisfactory. Not to mention, it makes for very hard cold weather starts.
I tend not to pay attention to adverts because it just leaves me looking like a fool.
Ok, ok... Robert, let us say you have won the in the case/argument of the non-use of ethanol as fuel for transportation... now, just what effect will we now experience with respect to the cost of putting food on our kitchen tables, and the costs of transportation within the context of the world's petroleum production outlook? 8)
You're right.. I did misspeak my source for the stats was outdated, however brazil doesn't edge the US out by a whole lot, and in 2006 the US actually outproduced brazil.
Also, most of the problems are outlined here: http://www.energybulletin.net/5062.html though I don't believe this was completely unbiased and it is slightly dated it still lists the problems for a "green" energy source.. ethanol may be an alternate fuel, it is however not green.
However.. e85 is still e85 no matter how it is produced, while using sugar cane reduces the impact on food supplies, it still has less energy potential of other fuel sources.
If we are going to use ethanol at all, it would be best if we ran on straight ethanol (not an ethanol/petro blend) and had cars which were tuned to simply run on it, the problem here is that the petro is used mostly as a stabilization agent, since alcohol is much more dangerous to transport in a fuel tank then petro is. I have seen formula engines modified to run off pure ethanol and the storage system was a aluminum fuel cell. This of course wouldn't be suitable for road use, even though the car was close to 600hp it did max out at about 2.5mpg =)
Quote from: kimhav on 2008.04.25, 02:21:27
Quote from: Robert Deed on 2008.04.23, 07:36:28
Brazil still is using E85, good old American corn ethanol. While they have discovered ways of producing ethanol from other crops, as far as I am aware none are currently in production today. I have alot more faith in sunfuel since it is close to being viable, can be used in any currently available diesel engine without modification, has close to no co2 impact and diesel engines are more efficient then gassers anyway.
Well, actually as Brazil is the number one producer of ethanol in the world and among other the majority of ethanol used in Sweden comes from.... Brazil. Sugar cane did the trick for them. Also Australia is putting a lot of efforts into sugar cane to produce ethanol, due to the prices of oil, there is now a lot of money to be made. Read some where that Australia plan to be among the top 3 producers of ethanol in a few year.
Quote from: Robert Deed on 2008.04.25, 06:04:51
even though the car was close to 600hp it did max out at about 2.5mpg =)
Oh, how I wish I could drive a car like that for a little :D
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.04.25, 07:01:04
Quote from: Robert Deed on 2008.04.25, 06:04:51
even though the car was close to 600hp it did max out at about 2.5mpg =)
Oh, how I wish I could drive a car like that for a little :D
I'd be happy with (settle for) a Tesla Roadster... ;D
Hmmm, yes. But I still have the desire to drive a supercar like the Ariel Atom2, or a CLK-GTR or some other crazy beast. I also am kinda annoyed I missed out on the American Muscle Car era, so I wouldnt mind a Dodge Charger/Challenger, or some other pavement rippling torque monster. This desire, of course, needs to be balaced by my A) empty wallet and B) enviromental concerns.
:C
And, the (economic) debate about ethanol production and usage goes on. ;) ::) ;)
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Dollar-a-gallon ethanol plant in U.S. operation next year
http://www.news.com/8301-11128_3-9928810-54.html?tag=nefd.top
Note carefully the "economic debate" in the "Talk Back Forum" similarly to this one. 8)
Hmmm...
Can this
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Lenovo's 11-inch IdeaPad now available
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9930548-7.html?tag=nefd.top
go hand-in-hand with my "Smart For Two"!
Also, if anyone can afford one soon, let's hope it is OS/2 compatible. ;)
I think I would rather use my little Asus EEE PC with my Little Smart Fortwo; small pc in a small car. They are both low priced; relatively speaking. ;D
8)
Hello there from over here in the Big Apple "BigWarpGuy"; It's good to see you. I would agree with your choice of
Quotelittle Asus EEE PC with my Little Smart Fortwo;
at least, at the rate the "gas" prices are going. There is a cool "race track" in Guyana, South America (the South Dakota Circuit); and, I believe it would be exciting to see some of these "Little Smart Fortwos" tearing (racing around) up the track. ;D
BTW, what are your "projections/predictions" for the price of a gallon of gas... let's say in another six months or so. 8)
Best regards.
It would be neat to see a IROC - international race of champions - using the Smart Fortwo. With only a three cylinder engine, it would not be fast but it would be interesting. ;D
I have heard that gas prices here might go up to $5 per gallon (regular unleaded). I read that people will stop traveling (or do as little of it as possible) then gas prices will come down in price then people will go back to driving as usual. I think it will go up only to about $4 per gallon (regular unleaded). 8)
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.04.30, 01:44:18
It would be neat to see a IROC - international race of champions - using the Smart Fortwo. With only a three cylinder engine, it would not be fast but it would be interesting. ;D
I have heard that gas prices here might go up to $5 per gallon (regular unleaded). I read that people will stop traveling (or do as little of it as possible) then gas prices will come down in price then people will go back to driving as usual. I think it will go up only to about $4 per gallon (regular unleaded). 8)
Hey "BigWarpGuy";
What's up....!
At $4.05 per gallon (New York City pricing) I think that that has just clipped/surpassed your earlier projected "$4 per gallon (regular unleaded)" ;) ; and, according to the news, the "big oil" industry folks have been called to Capitol Hill for some questioning... I guess that a lot of folks will be listening in on what will be said there next week given the
rising world fuel price trend. The way things are going.... some have better keep their "Smart ForTwo" handy. 8)
Best regards.
SAB
At some stations near Trenton, the gas prices is $3.73 per unleaded regular gas. The stations near me in East Windsor New Jersey is $3.69 per unleaded regular gas (for now it is). I fill up the tank about every other week to almost every three weeks. ;D
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.05.20, 04:35:19
At some stations near Trenton, the gas prices is $3.73 per unleaded regular gas. The stations near me in East Windsor New Jersey is $3.69 per unleaded regular gas (for now it is). I fill up the tank about every other week to almost every three weeks. ;D
Unleaded regular gas (95) in sweden is now 14SEK/liter, that's about 2.33 dollars/liter which makes the gallon price about 9 dollars. My car slurps a smidgen over 1.1 liter per 10 kilometers and I have to fill up the tank very week.
(This is how I ride: http://www.fordeumicrosites.com/en-gb/focusst/flash.html)
The site is really nice. I can see it using my eCS notebook computer. ;D
My Dad's car 2007 Ford Focus. I pay for it but I consider it his car. ;D I am going for major 'good son' points. 8)
I have more leg room in the Fortwo than I do in the Focus. 8)
I suspect that is an american Focus which is nothing like the european one. :)
Although I read you're getting the european Focus over there in the future.
Really doubt they are going to bring the euro focus over. It would cost too much to retool a factory in the US, and ford doesn't have the cash available to import this car to the US. Also, though the euro focus is much much nicer then the US focus the euro focus is a little on the small side for the US market, being slightly smaller then the previous generation focus which ford had to use incredibly incentives and mis-information to get off their lots (dealer lying about fuel effiency, telling you that you could only get financing if you bought a focus.. =) I was buying a car from a ford dealer (which also owned a chevy dealer) and they told me I could buy a 21,000 dollar focus but not a 20,000 dollar chevy... but if I wanted any other ford car, I wouldn't qualify for the credit... little sketchy.
So I'm loving my 31,000 dollar VW =)
Quote from: Lumo on 2008.05.21, 22:03:27
I suspect that is an american Focus which is nothing like the european one. :)
Although I read you're getting the european Focus over there in the future.
I wasn't just making that up you know. :)
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2008/05/ford-next-generation-euro-focus-and-c.html
The euro focus is quite the car, but I'd rather see some of the Holdens and Austrialian cars come over here like the next-gen Ford Falcon. That's a beautiful machine!
Hey "BigWarpGuy";
Just knew that "your" Smart Fortwo Pure ;D (which would be much better than biking it) would make plenty of sense in certain parts of the world (deep South of The Border) sooner rather than later:
Re:
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The Takutu Bridge is inconveniently sited for Lethem residents
Dear Editor,
The Takutu Bridge is now in semi operation and all other access routes to Guyana have since been closed. This has become an inconvenience to residents of Lethem and St Ignatius Village who have to travel approximately 4km from Lethem, along an unlit and desolated road to cross over to Brazil.
The 'old' crossing was in the heart of Lethem and was easily accessible by all persons. However, a decision was made to stop this crossing and everyone has to use the 'international' crossing. For persons who walk or ride to get over to Bon Fim, this has become a major inconvenience as it now takes nearly an hour to get to the crossing (as against 5-10 mins previously).
Another major point of complaint is the security of the area where the bridge is located. The road to the bridge is mostly along a dark desolate stretch of road. It is very risky for persons, especially females, to use the road late in the evenings or early in the mornings.
The actual distance from Lethem to the international crossing is approximately 2km. But there is a creek that runs between the two locations. The road between Lethem and the Takutu Bridge crosses this creek approximately 2 km on the outskirts of Lethem. This means that persons going to the Takutu crossing would first have to go to the outskirts of Lethem and then travel another 2km to reach the bridge. Travelling such a distance is very tiring and also risky......
http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=13863
Now the "ALCOHOL" running "your"
Smart Fortwo Pure would mind! And, I think that we would be in business "South of the Border" soon! ;D ::) ;D
Kindest regards.
SAB
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Now the "ALCOHOL" running "your" Smart Fortwo Pure would (not) mind! And, I think that we would be in business "South of the Border" soon! ;D ::) ;D
Hello ""BigWarpGuy"
From all appearances "DELTA" has touched down close to the "South Dakota Racing Circuit" long before we can even figure out how to get the "Smart Fortwo Pure" South of The Border for the November meet. ;D ;D ;D
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Delta lands
The upbeat Carifesta theme song danced to by the Carifesta Logo dancers created a festive atmosphere for passengers and crew of the first Delta Flight to arrive at the Cheddi Jagan International Airport (CJIA), Timehri yesterday morning.
Delta is the first major American carrier to come to Guyana since 1970, Minister of Tourism, Industry and Commerce, Manniram Prashad, said. He added that other American carriers will be coming to Guyana soon; however, he indicated that he is not at liberty to name them. View Video Coverage
According to the Minister, Delta will be flying from John F. Kennedy (JFK) Airport, New York to CJIA, Guyana and back to JFK three times weekly: Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays. Delta arrived at the CJIA yesterday morning at approximately 7 am with 181 passengers on board and departed at 9.30 am with 185.
Raquel Chandluer, Delta's District Sales Manager for Guyana, Trinidad, St. Lucia and Barbados, explained that the company is presently expanding into South America....
http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=14024#more-14024
And, from what I have heard over the news... we just cannot envy our friends over in "Germany" who are having to pay
"double the price per gallon of gas" as Americans do.
Perhaps, vehicles like the "Smart Fortwo Pure" running on "alcohol" might just do the trick after all given the world demand for fossil fuel. 8)
Regards.
SAB
I do not feel so bad about gas prices here knowing there are those elsewhere who have higher prices. http://www.smart.com (http://www.smart.com) It could be why Smart is developing a micro-hybrid drive for the Fortwo.
(http://www.smart.com/is-bin/intershop.static/WFS/smart-content-Site/-/de_DE/img/XXL_media_countryside_hp_001.jpg)
8)
There are ways to use used oil (used in cooking) to power a vehicle.
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/01/how_to_convert.php (http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/01/how_to_convert.php) Here is one on how to convert ones vehicle to use it. 8)
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As gas costs climb, driving dwindles
Gasoline prices this week reached a new record average of $4.02 per gallon, according to the AAA Fuel Gauge Report.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9963809-54.html?tag=nefd.top
Hey BigWarpGuy!
It must be way past midnight for "some" to be only now thinking about getting that "Smart ForTwo"! ::) 8) ::)
SAB
The Fortwo isn't for everyone. It fits my needs and desires (I wanted a mini car that was street legal).
There other similar small vehicles being sold or being developed. One that is being developed is the BMW Isetta; a newer version of what was made many years ago. The original made the Smart Fortwo look big. ;D
Hey BigWarpGuy!
There is something else that would go handsomely with the "Smart ForTwo" and OS/2 - It is called "IBM Lotus Symphony 1.0". Have you tried it yet... (the best thing is that it is for free)!
http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.jspa
I think it would (apart from saving on cash for gas) give consumers a "Smart" and "Easy" way to do their "budgeting"..... they are all some of the sensible ways of doing things economically in these tough times! ;D ;)
Best regards.
SAB
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.06.10, 04:12:11
Hey BigWarpGuy!
There is something else that would go handsomely with the "Smart ForTwo" and OS/2 - It is called "IBM Lotus Symphony 1.0". Have you tried it yet... (the best thing is that it is for free)!
http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.jspa
I think it would (apart from saving on cash for gas) give consumers a "Smart" and "Easy" way to do their "budgeting"..... they are all some of the sensible ways of doing things economically in these tough times! ;D ;)
Best regards.
SAB
I prefer Open Office. It is also free. I have tried Symphony on a Win PC. It did not work as well as OO.
I still use Star Office on my eCS 1.1 computer. It works quite well for me. ;D
It is amazing how far this thread has come. ;D
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I prefer Open Office. It is also free. I have tried Symphony on a Win PC. It did not work as well as OO.
I still use Star Office on my eCS 1.1 computer. It works quite well for me. ;D
Hey BigWarpGuy,
By any chance did you read the below attached news article:
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Small and medium enterprises to get help with agri project proposals
http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=14471
Yep,
QuoteIt is amazing how far this thread has come ;D
And, yet we have not arrived at our
"BETERVERWAGTING" Project (Office) Location. ;D ::) ;D
Do you think our colleague "WarpCafe" and others are reading into the
proposed business consultancy/operations (game plan) and will come out to play ;D ;D ;D)? Since Lotus Symphony is for free then we would be definitely be able to "cash" in on the
"services offerings...in relation to the development of those "project proposals" ;D ;) ;D
Conscious; and, I still looking forward to test driving that "Smart ForTwo" at the South Dakota Circuit in South America. 8)
Kindest regards.
SAB
I read the article. It was interesting.
When you test drive the Fortwo, you should be aware of the automated manual transmission. One accelerates like an automatic but there is pauses that one has to lift ones foot of the gas pedal. It is brief but one can get used to it. While in drive, one can switch to manual and shift it yourself but without having clutch pedal. There is a nice forum at http://www.smartcarofamerica.com (http://www.smartcarofamerica.com) It does for Smart Fortwo what this forum does for OS/2-eCS. 8)
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The electric Smart will have a 41hp electric motor, which will be able to reach speeds up to 70 mph and will have a range of 70 miles. Charging time for the all electric Smart is about 8 hours, and will cost you about $3 in electric. So if you do the numbers this means at present gas prices an electric Smart would save you some 70% of what you are paying now.
Also, this is what I read:
QuoteSmart Car of America gives you everything you want to know about this extraordinary vehicle
Where in the world were these kinds of vehicles forty or more years when I was doing my engineering apprenticeship... but like OS/2, things just evolve; and, at past 50 it will appear that the "best" is yet to come! ;D
Thanks again pal; and, as was quoted above... it is as exactly what was said - "extraordinary"! 8)
I wish "OS/2" Developers (with the assistance of the OS/2 World Foundation...) can very soon suit up OS/2 with the applications (like Lotus Notes, Symphony...) to enable our beloved Operating System to adequately address those "
proposal issues" being talked about and receive the same
accolades as the "Smart ForTwo". Additionally, it would be really cool to see it outfitted with the OS/2 Operating System on board (integrated). ;D. One more very interesting part that was read was this:
QuoteCharging time for the all electric Smart is about 8 hours, and will cost you about $3 in electric. So if you do the numbers this means at present gas prices an electric Smart would save you some 70% of what you are paying now.
So, here is where the
"SpreadSheet Functionalities" in IBM's Lotus Symphony, OpenOffice's Calc.... come in very, very useful to help do the "maths/economics"...
Now for the establishment of that distributorship/dealership... 8)
Kindest regards,
SAB.
I have read of some putting small computers in their vehicles. Perhaps one could install a car pc running eCS into the Smart Fortwo making it smarter(?). ;D It would be neat to have the strobe light on the front of the Smart(er) Fortwo. The strobe light similar to that on the front of the KITT car from Knight Rider television show (I hear there is a newer version of the Knight Rider show with a Ford Mustang instead of the Pontiac Firebird).
http://www.mini-itx.com (http://www.mini-itx.com) http://www.geekmyride.net (http://www.geekmyride.net)
Hey BigWarpGuy,
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Perhaps one could install a car pc running eCS into the Smart Fortwo making it smarter(?). ;D It would be neat to have the strobe light on the front of the Smart(er) Fortwo. The strobe light similar to that on the front of the KITT car from Knight Rider television show (I hear there is a newer version of the Knight Rider show with a Ford Mustang instead of the Pontiac Firebird).
Are you quite sure that you are not giving too.... much away before you have gotten the "idea" of making the "Smart ForTwo" into a "Smart(er) ForTwo"
patented... $$$
How about computing features for the "Smart(er) ForTwo" where "Stock Quotes" (nearest restaurant, prices for gas...) are visible in real-time (making it more or less into a "CAR-PUTER" as some may wish to call it). ;D ;D ;D The real truth about all of these possibilities is that OS/2 has Voice Recognition already integrated into the Operating System so. What better way to keep "both hands on the wheel" for "road-safety reasons..." while driving!
Here comes a real Road Warrior in the "Smart(er) ForTwo"!
Someone reading this thread from anywhere in the world must not really need a "j-o-b"! 8)
Best regards.
SAB
Patents? I wonder if that is listed in the phone book? ??? ;D
8)
With a car computer, the last thing one wants is to have an os known for 'crashing'. :D That is why I like OS/2-eCS. 8)
Yeah, hangs and INI corruption are so much better! :\
What operating system would you recommend for a car computer?
Truthfully? An embedded, a custom, or perhaps a purpose built Linux distro, as much as I hate Linux. It really is amazing for embeddeds, but I think its a crap desktop OS.
I have Linux on my Asus EEE PC. It is not bad. I still want to try eCS on it. ;D
If you can manage to force it to install, I'm sure it'd be great. Do you have access to SSS so you can get the latest ACPI/PANO and all that? The guide seemed relatively easy to follow as well. Please do get it running! Its always good to see eCS install on another computer successfully, it helps build the database of working hardware.
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Truthfully? An embedded, a custom, or perhaps a purpose built Linux distro, as much as I hate Linux. It really is amazing for embeddeds, but I think its a crap desktop OS.
Also, as was gleaned from Cnet News:
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Microsoft: Ask us for driving directions
Microsoft wants to take Windows in a new direction.
The software maker announced on Monday its plans for NavReady 2009, a customized version of Windows Embedded that's specifically designed to power in-car navigation systems. The software is based on Windows CE, the slimmed-down version of Windows that is used for Windows Mobile.
Some GPS makers, such as Mio, already use Windows CE, though Microsoft says it is adding support for several new features with this navigation-specific release. New features include support for Live Search, Bluetooth, and MSN Direct, which allows real-time traffic and gas prices. NavReady 2009 should start showing up in devices starting this holiday season, Microsoft said.
This is not the first time Microsoft has tried to tailor its general-purpose Windows Embedded operating system to the needs of a particular market. Most recently, it created a version for cash registers. But even Windows Mobile itself was an attempt to tailor the generic operating system for a specific market.
The next version of the point-of-sale software, dubbed POSReady, is due out some time next year, Microsoft said Monday.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-9969356-56.html?tag=nefd.top
Given this Microsoft's push for an "Windows Embedded that's specifically designed to power in-car navigation systems...." one would guess that sometime in the not too distant future we would definitely realize that "embedded OS/2-eCS" that
BigWarpGuy has spoken about. ;D
Regards.
SAB
Maybe, maybe not. eCS would need to have Bluetooth support (most Navs do), easier support of removable media for CF/SD expansion maps and maybe media, better codec support, and a touchscreen driver. If eCS can overcome these stumbling blocks, sure, I'd love to have it as an in-car solution.
As of right now, I don't think it fits the bill for me at all. I really want a Head unit enabled with the Microsoft Sync platform so I can control my phone and media players effortlessly with Voice command or on-screen command and menus. That's really amazing IMO.
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.06.16, 21:27:36
Maybe, maybe not. eCS would need to have Bluetooth support (most Navs do), easier support of removable media for CF/SD expansion maps and maybe media, better codec support, and a touchscreen driver. If eCS can overcome these stumbling blocks, sure, I'd love to have it as an in-car solution.
As of right now, I don't think it fits the bill for me at all. I really want a Head unit enabled with the Microsoft Sync platform so I can control my phone and media players effortlessly with Voice command or on-screen command and menus. That's really amazing IMO.
Geez "Saijin_Naib"! You seem not to be too optimistic that OS/2-eCS can/will make it onto the dashboards of cars like the Smart Fortwo any time soon; but, one thing that you have got to remember about OS/2 and one that it has coming its way is that it was first where
Voice Recognition is concerned; so, what if there is a preference for "Voice Commands" (which will be hands-free...) rather that a "Touch Screen"? ;) ::) 8)
Regards.
SAB.
Right, but IBM Voice Type has proven to be difficult to get functioning in eCS 1.x and 2.x, and not only that, a head unit can NOT be voice only, there needs to be some sort of tactile control such as touch screen (eCS needs) or buttons (eCS can handle). Not to mention any of the other points I mentioned above such as BT and IOprocs and friendliness with removable mass storage that was not specifically readied for eCS such as map data and expansions on CF/SD as well as the vast majority of Mp3 players and the like that may get hooked up to it. I am, unfortunately, grounded in the here and now, and eCS, as stands, would not make a good in-car platform IMO. Argue that it may one day all you want, it means nothing what MAY happen.
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.06.17, 00:06:22
Right, but IBM Voice Type has proven to be difficult to get functioning in eCS 1.x and 2.x, and not only that, a head unit can NOT be voice only, there needs to be some sort of tactile control such as touch screen (eCS needs) or buttons (eCS can handle). Not to mention any of the other points I mentioned above such as BT and IOprocs and friendliness with removable mass storage that was not specifically readied for eCS such as map data and expansions on CF/SD as well as the vast majority of Mp3 players and the like that may get hooked up to it. I am, unfortunately, grounded in the here and now, and eCS, as stands, would not make a good in-car platform IMO. Argue that it may one day all you want, it means nothing what MAY happen.
Hi Saijin_Naib,
All your points are taken about the present limitations of OS/2-eCS; but, there are some things that have to be taken into consideration and one is that fundamentally OS/2 has in the past proven to be a more robust platform than Windows (apart from its multi-tasking and other capabilities); so, based on its known
"carrier rockets class capabilities": Quote
Software, which works under control of eComStation, carries out tracking of the starting of carrier rockets from the spaceports of the Russian Federation.
http://www.nic.spb.ru/homepage.nsf/pkexamp.html!OpenPage
which are second to none; and, I would be the least surprised if sooner, rather than later if some group provides OS/2-eCS with all or most of those enhancements/capabilities that you have mentioned; but, then again OS/2-eCS does not have to be just like Windows or Linux. ;)
Enjoy!
SAB.
One of the reasons I like eCS is because it is not like Windows. ;D
It would be neat to run eCS on a pc in the Smart Fortwo. I wasn't really thinking of it being an embeded type system or having it run the car but that would be neat if it did. I was just thinking of a computer that is in the car like a stereo but that one could run computer apps on. It would be like the car computers in the projects section of http://www.mini-itx.com (http://www.mini-itx.com) or some thing similar to http://www.geekmyride.net (http://www.geekmyride.net) . 8)
http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/bmwpc/ (http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/bmwpc/) BMW PC. ;D With the pico itx, it could be even smaller. If one could install or run eCS from an SD card (like the romour says it might [other section of the forum]), it would be a Smart car with a smart comptuer runnign a smart os? ;D
Actually OS/2 has decent support for touchscreens.. it is a little .. interesting to get working but works with most modern screens.. (i've even gotten it to work on USB models).
Voicetype would be useless because of it's outdated learning system and since Voicetype is not open source there is 0 chance of improvements being made.
On the other hand atleast it wouldn't be as bad as sync.. I tried out a "demonstration" using my real phone and it corrupted all my contacts.. Not to mention its voice recognition competes with voicetype for sheer uselessness.
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.06.17, 00:06:22
Right, but IBM Voice Type has proven to be difficult to get functioning in eCS 1.x and 2.x, and not only that, a head unit can NOT be voice only, there needs to be some sort of tactile control such as touch screen (eCS needs) or buttons (eCS can handle). Not to mention any of the other points I mentioned above such as BT and IOprocs and friendliness with removable mass storage that was not specifically readied for eCS such as map data and expansions on CF/SD as well as the vast majority of Mp3 players and the like that may get hooked up to it. I am, unfortunately, grounded in the here and now, and eCS, as stands, would not make a good in-car platform IMO. Argue that it may one day all you want, it means nothing what MAY happen.
Whats wrong with your phone that that happened? I've never had any corruption of my internal databases with my Samsung when pairing over BT with anything, even for filesharing and contact sharing. You should look into what caused the issue.
Good to hear eCS works with touch-screens, I was under the impression that it would not work with any screen it did not have an explicit driver for. How does one get it to accept other ones?
Is there a GNU voice command app that is any good and that can be ported with minimal fuss?
The IOPROCS and BT/removable storage remain a big issue in making eCS a viable option for an in-car solution.
Hey "BigWarpGuy",
There goes the competition!!! ;D
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Import this Tata car
Recently, the Tata Group of India showcased a car that is US$2500 brand new. While there has been great interest in this vehicle, I would advise the Government to purchase about 50,000 for the Guyana market. These vehicles can be sold off at a little profit.
I believe that the main benefit would be in the insurance industry, the vehicle maintenance industry and in the private car hire industry.
High paying jobs would be created in Guyana using local capital and local human resources.
http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=15000
Just knew that sooner or rather than later the
"Smart ForTwo" types ;D would find their way South of The Border.
Next stop: On to the "South Dakota Racing Circuit". Have you got your "Passport" at the ready! ;D ;) ;D
Best regards,
SAB
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.06.20, 17:41:19
Hey "BigWarpGuy",
There goes the competition!!! ;D
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Import this Tata car
Recently, the Tata Group of India showcased a car that is US$2500 brand new. While there has been great interest in this vehicle, I would advise the Government to purchase about 50,000 for the Guyana market. These vehicles can be sold off at a little profit.
I believe that the main benefit would be in the insurance industry, the vehicle maintenance industry and in the private car hire industry.
High paying jobs would be created in Guyana using local capital and local human resources.
http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=15000
Just knew that sooner or rather than later the "Smart ForTwo" types ;D would find their way South of The Border.
Next stop: On to the "South Dakota Racing Circuit". Have you got your "Passport" at the ready! ;D ;) ;D
Best regards,
SAB
Hi All,
The way things are going with respect to the price per gallon of gas at pumps in the United States of America now projected for 2010 to be $7.00 plus, it is anyone guess what it will be 10 to 20 years from now. The question that remains: Will the "Smart ForTwo" do the trick? ???
Regards.
SAB
By then there will probably be more hybrid vehicles and electric vehicles and fuel cell vehicles. There are developing a micro-hybrid and electric versions of the Fortwo. The Smart vehicle might be part of the solution. 8)
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.06.30, 03:18:58
By then there will probably be more hybrid vehicles and electric vehicles and fuel cell vehicles. There are developing a micro-hybrid and electric versions of the Fortwo. The Smart vehicle might be part of the solution. 8)
Hey BigWarpGuy,
That's a great response following a most interesting subject heading. ;D It makes one wonder (from both technical and economics standpoints...) just what is happening with the "eComStation" folks so that there can be parallel (micro) development to match those of the
Quotemicro-hybrid and electric versions of the Fortwo
Kindest regards,
SAB
It would be great to see a flex fuel system for the Fortwo like they have in the Obvio 828 and 012.
http://www.obviousa.com (http://www.obviousa.com) ;D GMC is also has some flex fuel vehicles. 8)
How about this.. diesel electric hybrid.. This one may actually see production (with much smaller lighter batteries then this test mule)
http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/article_2347.shtml
There is some talk of the same on the Smart ForTwo platform, seeing milage above 99MPG on the EPA 2008 rating scale. I can't wait :)
I hope it does not come out too soon. I am still paying for the current one. ;D
Re:
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.07.01, 02:59:06
There is some talk of the same on the Smart ForTwo platform, seeing milage above 99MPG on the EPA 2008 rating scale. I can't wait :)
Also,
Quote
I hope it does not come out too soon. I am still paying for the current one. ;D
From the above... one can only logically conclude that it all borders on the "economic realities" of the times. 8)
And, Hey "BigWarpGuy"! Tonight's news goes on record with "gas prices" at the pumps at $4.10 per gallon (National Average); and, more in some other places around the country. Do these prices not "shatter" your own earlier projections?
Regards,
SAB
I believe your question was in the long run, and I don't believe (and many "experts" also do not believe) that the prices are sustainable. As demand for a product drops, the price will eventually go down. If the feds put some sort of cap on commodity trading then the price will also come down. You have to also consider in the US most fuel is cut with 10% ethanol, the price of ethanol in the US has risen quite sharply in the past year, ironically due to the higher cost in crude.. Since most farm machinery runs off diesel . The market in the US will not allow prices to endlessly rise without something happening. I believe the most likely would be alternative fuels which can be used unmodified in unleaded fueled vehicles. This doesn't get much news coverage because there are no great "eco" or "green" or other such nonsense one can attach to it. Simply lower priced fuel for any car which runs on fuel.
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.07.01, 04:36:06
Re:
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.07.01, 02:59:06
There is some talk of the same on the Smart ForTwo platform, seeing milage above 99MPG on the EPA 2008 rating scale. I can't wait :)
Also,
Quote
I hope it does not come out too soon. I am still paying for the current one. ;D
From the above... one can only logically conclude that it all borders on the "economic realities" of the times. 8)
And, Hey "BigWarpGuy"! Tonight's news goes on record with "gas prices" at the pumps at $4.10 per gallon (National Average); and, more in some other places around the country. Do these prices not "shatter" your own earlier projections?
Regards,
SAB
The EPA has an annoying habit of doing tests on plug in hybrids with fully charged batteries and the test is usually completed on electric alone. Which does not demonstrate the true fuel economy of a car.
I am kinda opposed to the plug in hybrid anyway, as the government is making moves to ban incandescent bulbs for energy savings however we're all going to come home and plug our cars in? Doesn't make so much sense. Our electric is still supplied primary by carbons, whether it is petroleum or coal. Yes, we can offset this by use of solar panels, the wind (and please don't get me started on how bad hydro power is). But simply put the systems need to be in place before the cars make it to the market, on top of that the systems need to be affordable enough and flexible enough to be used in most homes. Which includes the need for the electric companies to get on top of purchasing power from homeowners.. something which is quite popular out in California but not seen widespread across the country. During the day these solar panels are just going to be sitting on the roof of our homes doing nothing, and at night when we come home they won't be of much use. The use of more batteries to offset this is even less environmentally sound. The only thing which makes sense is to do a trade with the electric companies.. they use your power during the day, and you get it back at night when you need it..
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.07.01, 02:59:06
There is some talk of the same on the Smart ForTwo platform, seeing milage above 99MPG on the EPA 2008 rating scale. I can't wait :)
... Robert, the EPA 2008 rating has changed from the previous statute (which you describe), the reason why the Prius is only rated for roughly 35mpg combined. Its no longer done on a rolling dyno with nearly 0 resistance.
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.07.01, 21:57:33
... Robert, the EPA 2008 rating has changed from the previous statute (which you describe), the reason why the Prius is only rated for roughly 35mpg combined. Its no longer done on a rolling dyno with nearly 0 resistance.
Yes. For standard hybrid (ie:not plugins) the new EPA ratings will give a more true to life fuel economy. It doesn't however change the fact the plug in hybrids would be tested under a full charge (100% electric) condition. This is moot since there are no plug in hybrids right now however smart has them in the works along with GM, Honda and toyota.
Hmmmm..
Re:
Quote
I believe your question was in the long run, and I don't believe (and many "experts" also do not believe) that the prices are sustainable. As demand for a product drops, the price will eventually go down. If the feds put some sort of cap on commodity trading then the price will also come down.....
Just who are these "experts"; and, what computing (financial and economic analysis) tools are they currently using if the OS/2 communities around the world (including those in international banking) are not currently endowed with the
"best-of-breed" IT Specialists; also, whilst a brand new
"KITT" (from the OS/2 Foundation of Law and Government...(joke) Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha...... ;D ;) ;D ; and,
"eComStation 2.0" have not yet arrived 8)
Regards,
SAB
Hmmmm... now we are seeing some other things happening that the Smar ForTwo can benefit from:
Re:
Quote
Toyota to equip Prius with solar panels
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/story.aspx?guid={A5960A1A-E176-4A08-952C-4BC4A0A69284}&siteid=rss
Also of some interest....
Quote
World Bank: Biofuels lift food prices 75 percent
QuoteHorsefeathers. I don't see the oil exporters being hit over the head for high fuel prices, which has increased the costs of manufacturing and transportation. If oil was cheap, then the use of ethanol would drastically be cut or even disappear. I own a flex-fuel vehicle and ethanol is a boon if: 1. You like paying 1/3rd less than the price of gasoline. 2. Fuel tax revenues as compared to a Prius (vs. a Mecury Mountaineer FFV) is 350% more and 10-20% more than a comaparable standard internal combution engine. 3. Cleaner emissions. 4. Telling Hugo Chavez and the other two-bit dicators where to get off. 5. Patriotism at its best. Whom would you rather turn your dollar over to? The US farmer or Hugo Chavez? Darwin is also at work, survival of the fittest. Let all of the Arab States, China, India and all of these "emerging countries" choke on the oil they are consuming. Energy independence before saving the world. It is about time we thought about the US first and not every nation with their hand-out. this is a classic case of the Laffer Curve. Since there isn't any money on top (we're tapped-out), there isn't anything flowing down-hill. Screw the rest of the world. Let's tighten our belts and use E-85 as a stop-gap, until we move into hydrogen powered vehicles.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9984444-54.html?tag=nefd.top
Question is: Should one hold back on their purchasing on today's Smart ForTwo!!! ;D
Regards.
SAB
Whether or not you should get a Smart Fortwo depends on your needs. I travel to work alone and do not need or want a big car. I like the idea of a really small car. If one needs to carry a lot or one needs to carry more than one person, the Smart Fortwo might not be for you. There are other small vehicles that might be more of a fit. There is the Nissan Versa, the Toyota Yaris, Suzuki has some small vehicles. There are more on the way. ;D
I really love driving my little car. 8)
I like how you have to keep bringing in OS/2 into everything.. if this was actually the case I don't think the userbase would be nearly as small as it is today.
I have to refrain from replying since your actual statement makes no sense whatsoever. Suffice to say, on this time will tell. Though I think fuel is totally under priced in the US. Even China had to drop subsidizing fuel because it is only holding off the inevitable. The euro is worth roughly 2x the USD. They are paying close to 6 dollars a liter... or 12 dollars US.. 45.60 a gallon US... lol.. we're not doing so bad =)
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.07.01, 23:49:05
Hmmmm..
Re:
Quote
I believe your question was in the long run, and I don't believe (and many "experts" also do not believe) that the prices are sustainable. As demand for a product drops, the price will eventually go down. If the feds put some sort of cap on commodity trading then the price will also come down.....
Just who are these "experts"; and, what computing (financial and economic analysis) tools are they currently using if the OS/2 communities around the world (including those in international banking) are not currently endowed with the "best-of-breed" IT Specialists; also, whilst a brand new "KITT" (from the OS/2 Foundation of Law and Government...(joke) Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha...... ;D ;) ;D ; and, "eComStation 2.0" have not yet arrived 8)
Regards,
SAB
With the size of the roof of a smart, I think you could probably charge the battery from a solar panel in about.. 6 years.
Great.. along with a cracked winshield now I have to worry about the solar panel as well.. what, all this in the name of .00002mpg.
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.07.07, 22:26:05
Hmmmm... now we are seeing some other things happening that the Smar ForTwo can benefit from:
Re:
Quote
Toyota to equip Prius with solar panels
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/story.aspx?guid={A5960A1A-E176-4A08-952C-4BC4A0A69284}&siteid=rss
Also of some interest....
Quote
World Bank: Biofuels lift food prices 75 percent
QuoteHorsefeathers. I don't see the oil exporters being hit over the head for high fuel prices, which has increased the costs of manufacturing and transportation. If oil was cheap, then the use of ethanol would drastically be cut or even disappear. I own a flex-fuel vehicle and ethanol is a boon if: 1. You like paying 1/3rd less than the price of gasoline. 2. Fuel tax revenues as compared to a Prius (vs. a Mecury Mountaineer FFV) is 350% more and 10-20% more than a comaparable standard internal combution engine. 3. Cleaner emissions. 4. Telling Hugo Chavez and the other two-bit dicators where to get off. 5. Patriotism at its best. Whom would you rather turn your dollar over to? The US farmer or Hugo Chavez? Darwin is also at work, survival of the fittest. Let all of the Arab States, China, India and all of these "emerging countries" choke on the oil they are consuming. Energy independence before saving the world. It is about time we thought about the US first and not every nation with their hand-out. this is a classic case of the Laffer Curve. Since there isn't any money on top (we're tapped-out), there isn't anything flowing down-hill. Screw the rest of the world. Let's tighten our belts and use E-85 as a stop-gap, until we move into hydrogen powered vehicles.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9984444-54.html?tag=nefd.top
Question is: Should one hold back on their purchasing on today's Smart ForTwo!!! ;D
Regards.
SAB
http://www.nj.com/starledger/stories/index.ssf?/base/news-13/121540540914710.xml&coll=1 (http://www.nj.com/starledger/stories/index.ssf?/base/news-13/121540540914710.xml&coll=1)
Here is an article showing the growing popularity of scooters in the USA.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/)
Here is a group for cabin scooters; an all weather scooter. ;D 8)
http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/content-view-38270-113.html (http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/content-view-38270-113.html)
Toyota plans to add a solar panel to the Prius to power the ac. I think a variation of this would be a solar panel/sunscreen combo that powers little fans the fit at the top of the windows to help keep the car from over heating. The little fan that they usually come with usually do not provide much power. 8)
http://www.google.com/products?q=solar+car+fan&btnG=Search+Products (http://www.google.com/products?q=solar+car+fan&btnG=Search+Products)
Re:
Quote
Toyota plans to add a solar panel to the Prius to power the ac. I think a variation of this would be a solar panel/sunscreen combo that powers little fans the fit at the top of the windows to help keep the car from over heating. The little fan that they usually come with usually do not provide much power. 8)
And, they will soon be "Made in the USA"! ;D
Quote
Prius to be American-made
Americans will soon have another feel-good reason to buy a Prius.
Prius production in the U.S. will begin in late 2010 at a plant currently under construction in Blue Springs, Miss., Toyota announced Thursday......
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17912_3-9987224-72.html?tag=nefd.top
Regards,
SAB
(http://oldstersview.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/smartmonster.jpg)
Hell yeah! The Smart ForFun! My personal favorite is a tie between the Smart ForFour Brabus and the Smart Roadster Brabus Coupe.
(http://images.europeancarweb.com/longtermers/0508_s+2004_Brabus_Smart_Roadster_Coupe+Front_Passenger_Side_View0.jpg)
(http://www.evo.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_420/car_photo_210386_7.jpg)
Those are really nice looking.
I wish Smart still made the Roadster.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=smart+roadster+&btnG=Google+Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=smart+roadster+&btnG=Google+Search)
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=smart%20roadster&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=smart%20roadster&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi)
(http://www.allcarpictures.com/pictures/smart/roadster-coupe/smart-roadster-coupe.jpg)
I found a magazine for the Smart Fortwo. It is called Smart Times. I ordered a subscription to it.
http://www.smartimesmagazine.com (http://www.smartimesmagazine.com)
(http://home.comcast.net/~tomleem/logo.gif)
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.07.30, 21:01:56
I found a magazine for the Smart Fortwo. It is called Smart Times. I ordered a subscription to it.
http://www.smartimesmagazine.com (http://www.smartimesmagazine.com)
(http://home.comcast.net/~tomleem/logo.gif)
Hey BigWarpGuy,
Depending on what one may be looking for over time; also, if the $$$$ can be found a
QuoteTesla Roadster's (with) touch-screen interface
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10002322-54.html?tag=nefd.top
(without the "KITT Ensemble") might be quite to have. ;D ;D ;D
Best regards,
SAB
Ghee whiz.... "BigWarpGuy" - a "mounted branch" in the North Rupunun (North of Brazil) when I was thinking that we could do a good business shipping "SmartFor Twos" down to South America; anyway, since we cannot yet beat the Brazilians at soccer then at least we can maintain (keep up) the edge with regards to OS/2 Technology Offerings South of the Border. BTW, is there any idea how we can get a "glimpse" (not of the rear specie of whale or piranha) but of the first SmartFor Two to cross the "Takutu Bridge at Lethem". It would be nice for someone to send us a picture as the "traffic" between Brazil and Guyana increases. (Also, will those vehicles be running on Ethanol 85 (E85) or what!). 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksFqjI3gyAo
http://www.stabroeknews.com/news/army-to-up-annai-patrols/
Additionally, from the above attached video I wonder what will be the choice of "navigational aid" (GPS...) for the "mounties". Plus, one other thing about the "mounties...." - they will not have to worry about "filling up" at the gas station! ;D ;D ;D
Here comes that "SmartFor Two ATV"! 8)
Best regards,
SAB
That is a neat commercial. Thank you for the link. Perhaps we could have similar success with ver 2.0 of eCS. It would be neat to have a laptop stand in the Smart Fortwo where one could use OS/2-eCS on a laptop. :)
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.08.07, 04:22:22
That is a neat commercial. Thank you for the link. Perhaps we could have similar success with ver 2.0 of eCS. It would be neat to have a laptop stand in the Smart Fortwo where one could use OS/2-eCS on a laptop. :)
I am in total agreement with you about that commercial and can see no reason why the eComStation folks cannot build on that. Actually, I plan traveling South of the Border within the next year or so on business (expansion, development...) and discussions about the "SmartFor Two" is sure to be a topic on the agenda, not sure if "eComStation 2.0" will be GA by then! This is soooooooo long in coming (using the Pan-American Highway... I guess that we can get to "Brazil" long before eComStation arrives there too ;D ;D ;D
Thanks.
SAB
There are those who put 'wraps' on their Fortwo. It would be neat to put the eCS logo as a car wrap on the Fortwo (especially if it is temporary and can be put on when needed and taken off when not).
http://www.smartcarofamerica.com/press_room/press_releases/smartcarwrapping.com_.html (http://www.smartcarofamerica.com/press_room/press_releases/smartcarwrapping.com_.html)
http://www.smartcarofamerica.com/gallery/browseimages.php?c=15 (http://www.smartcarofamerica.com/gallery/browseimages.php?c=15)
Here is a gallery of Smart Fortow's with wraps.
(http://www.smartcarofamerica.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=3191)
Have a safe trip down the PanAm HWY SAB, if they would make the Smart for Six [stre_ctched S42 ver we talked about} you get more shameless self promo for your rolling dolla...its all about exposure, look how much MORE exposure c/would benefit EComSta/Serentiy Systems when its released in a new wrap and as a new version, you could just wear no clothes...longer wheel base means=>>> larger logos means more face time===>a lasting impression=eye candi for the window of the soul, look at all the attention the air car gets now that gaz is the evil agent of our demise [according to the big media], speaking of stretch, if you have lots&lots of air "under the hood" instead of horses that is: stretch a French AIRCAR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoWFvm1sdf4&NR=1 [sans MDI's Guy Negre]
you could take it to the extreme: an aircar converted into a 'hot_air_balloon car', one that suddenly floats above the great plain states upon its arrival to the suburbs outward bound from Lewisville thereby announcing the ECs 2.0's (SSI's) release off Beta in living colour with blue blinking lights and everything...ufo reports notwithstanding, this would even be a better business move for serenity sys...if only wraps could fly, think big, we are talkin Texas and the great beyond...
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/11/it-had-to-happen-the-smart-fortwo-for-eight/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/11/it-had-to-happen-the-smart-fortwo-for-eight/)
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/04/smart_fortwo_limo_opt.jpg)
Here is a stretched Fortwo that one can advertise on. ;D
Hey ModZilla, Hey BigWarpGuy,
Just when I thought ModZilla's quip about
Quotethe Smart for Six [stre_ctched S42 ver we talked about} you get more shameless self promo for your rolling dolla...its all about exposure, look how much MORE exposure c/would benefit EComSta/Serentiy Systems
seemed to be in the distance; now, (through the courtesy of our dear friend - BigWarpGuy) look what has showed up; and, ready to roll... "Smart Fortwo Limo" ;D
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.08.10, 03:36:32
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/11/it-had-to-happen-the-smart-fortwo-for-eight/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/11/it-had-to-happen-the-smart-fortwo-for-eight/)
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/04/smart_fortwo_limo_opt.jpg)
Here is a stretched Fortwo that one can advertise on. ;D
And, at "£25,000", I thought that we hand an original idea. :-[
Hey ModZilla, (remembering that
IBM's OS/2 Warp Ver. 4 launch way back in the 90's...) do you think that
"Serenity Systems/Mensys" will grab at the "idea" of promotional activities using the "Smart for Six [stre_ctched S42 ver we talked about" (oops, thanks BigWarpGuy -
"The smart fortwo for eight") ;D $ ;D $ ;D
Once again, a very, very neat contribution (post) BigWarpGuy. This was sooooo.... cool! ;)
Best regards,
SAB
Perhaps a Smart Fortwo that seats eight would be called a Smart Foreight? ??? ;D
8)
Re:
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.08.11, 19:27:26
Perhaps a Smart Fortwo that seats eight would be called a Smart Foreight? ??? ;D
8)
Oh yeah BigWarpGuy! At this stage it is time to start to put the "Business Plan" (business ideas) together for the implementation of a service to do "airport runs" with the spacious
"Smart Foreight" ;D $ ;D $ ;D down in South America. and across that bridge built by the OS/2 (and soccer) loving Brazilians.
Quote
Brazil's Amazonas gets IDB support to improve living conditions in Igarapés
http://www.iadb.org/NEWS/articledetail.cfm?artid=4710&language=En
It must be time to join the rest of the crowd now that our
"Smart Foreight" LIMO has arrived; and, I hope that it comes with "OS/2-eCS" embedded. ;D
Very, very nice.
Best regards,
SAB
It would not be a very 'Smart' car if it ran Windows. :D ;D
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.08.12, 20:26:53
It would not be a very 'Smart' car if it ran Windows. :D ;D
*ponders*
But it would not be very "Smart" to drive a car without windows, for it would be extremely
hard to steer...
::)
???
Quote from: Ben on 2008.08.12, 20:44:50
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.08.12, 20:26:53
It would not be a very 'Smart' car if it ran Windows. :D ;D
*ponders*
But it would not be very "Smart" to drive a car without windows, for it would be extremely hard to steer...
::)
I would have thought in addition to the nascent "OS"; and,
which does not necessarily have to be Windows one would have to be concerned about the "prime mover" (will it be gas or electric):
Quote
Hybrid makeovers help owners dump the pump
Countless small start-ups and Detroit automakers are trying to revive electric cars from an early grave, although there's a long road ahead before electricity might serve as a "fuel" for the masses.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10007646-54.html?tag=nefd.top
I am quite sure that a "Smartfor Eight (Hybrid) Limo" would be one of the coolest vehicles around. ;D 8) ;D
Regards,
SAB
Quote from: Ben on 2008.08.12, 20:44:50
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.08.12, 20:26:53
It would not be a very 'Smart' car if it ran Windows. :D ;D
*ponders*
But it would not be very "Smart" to drive a car without windows, for it would be extremely hard to steer...
::)
;D I think that is funny. ;D
Either version, one might end up crashing. :D
Yeah, with eCS on board you wouldnt have to worry about that. The car would never get past the boot blob! It's hard to crash when you can't even get moving.
Re:
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.08.16, 02:32:07
Yeah, with eCS on board you wouldnt have to worry about that. The car would never get past the boot blob! It's hard to crash when you can't even get moving.
Hmmm.... Well, isn't it what OS/2-eCS "geeks" are made of - they will try; and, try again until they get them all "moving" at last; and, when this happens (like that famous "Ever-Ready" Battery) they will run without without ever stopping again (just needing that over-night charge). ;D ::) ;D 8)
Regards,
SAB
Re:
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.08.16, 08:01:36
Re:
Quote from: Saijin_Naib on 2008.08.16, 02:32:07
Yeah, with eCS on board you wouldnt have to worry about that. The car would never get past the boot blob! It's hard to crash when you can't even get moving.
Hmmm.... Well, isn't it what OS/2-eCS "geeks" are made of - they will try; and, try again until they get them all "moving" at last; and, when this happens (like that famous "Ever-Ready" Battery) they will run without without ever stopping again (just needing that over-night charge). ;D ::) ;D 8)
Regards,
SAB
In addition to the above; and, not forgetting that we are now in the age of "Carbon Fiber" some may even ask for
"custom built" types - ones that will fly the skies, run on the roads and sail across the rivers in OS/2-eCS geek-like (007) ways! ;D ::) ;D
Quote
More spins from the Oshkosh air show
http://news.cnet.com/2300-11397_3-6244801.html?tag=nefd.gallery
Best regards,
SAB
any ad is a bit risky but if you get stuck by it its your own fault, not the impression made, say Serenity were to buy five smart for 8's and had them streched just a bit more so that the wraps read "E" on the first one in a blitz of colour, "C" on the second, "S" on the third "version" on the fourth, and on the last limo a picture of a dog or something like the taco dog or maybe just my cat M.R. Poopsie...{with the numeric 2.o foreground image over his image as a background for the "2.o} worped yes but if you say to someone, what I saw was, they would first laugh and then back away, get in their car and go on looking for the entourage suspending all disbelief. saw this i Tejas once but I am not sure really if the cars were strecthed enough to make a lasting impression:)
Re:
Quote from: ModZilla on 2008.08.19, 01:11:31
any ad is a bit risky but if you get stuck by it its your own fault, not the impression made, say Serenity were to buy five smart for 8's and had them streched just a bit more so that the wraps read "E" on the first one in a blitz of colour, "C" on the second, "S" on the third "version" on the fourth, and on the last limo a picture of a dog or something like the taco dog or maybe just my cat M.R. Poopsie...{with the numeric 2.o foreground image over his image as a background for the "2.o} worped yes but if you say to someone, what I saw was, they would first laugh and then back away, get in their car and go on looking for the entourage suspending all disbelief. saw this i Tejas once but I am not sure really if the cars were strecthed enough to make a lasting impression:)
Not sure if Serenity Systems will have to go the length to "buy five smart for 8's and had them stretched just a bit more" - depending on the cost of those "five smart for 8's" I would enter arrangements with the Russian Tank Commanders returning from Georgia to have the "letters" on the "tanks" for free (and, depending on how soon they will be headed for the
Electro-Slag Refining (ESR) Process). Besides, the
Chinese, the
Indians and the
Brazilians might just snap up those
"SmartFor 12's". How about that for a
Quotelasting impression
. 8)
Sure you know how the Russian Federation loves and respects OS/2-eCS. ??? ;D ;D
Quote
All Your Base Are Belong To Us (Serenity Systems)" ( ;D ;D ;D) )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9oh3gqOEKU
Substituting
IBM for
Serenity in the above video. ;D ;D ;D
Who needs to advertise OS/2 anyway when it sells itself? LOL!
Regards,
SAB
It would be neat to have a Smart PC running eCS (the smart os) for the Smart Car. ;D It would be the smart thing to do. 8)
Re:
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.08.20, 20:50:03
It would be neat to have a Smart PC running eCS (the smart os) for the Smart Car. ;D It would be the smart thing to do. 8)
It would be "smarter" yet to
Quotehave a Smart PC running eCS (the smart os) for the Smart Car
which ultimately leads to the production of some "
S-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d Smart Cars (SMART-LIMOs)" ;D ::) ;D
Regards,
SAB
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.08.20, 20:50:03
It would be neat to have a Smart PC running eCS (the smart os) for the Smart Car. ;D It would be the smart thing to do. 8)
Smart PC running eCS?
While I think that is a
great idea, I do believe that it'll be quite a
s-s-t-t-r-r-e-e-t-t-c-c-h-h before you'll see it!
... And that you're more likely to see a Smart P
M in office first.
8)
getting back to smart anything, a smart chip in the brain could monitor when you are having a fit over Vista and near stroking out as the case may be, subsequent releases of MicroSoft build 6000 is when the gamble got rough as MS is not "soft" on its competion and Vista did not take off like Win95. NEXT we'll see what develops as MS now has a big stake in hardware more than ever, needing desparately to nudge itself into gamer and server arenas whilst getting control of the mobo market one way or another.
Re:
QuoteNEXT we'll see what develops as MS now has a big stake in hardware more than ever, needing desparately to nudge itself into gamer and server arenas whilst getting control of the mobo market one way or another.
Are we talking about expecting a "
SmartFor TwentyFour" or something like that!!! Where in the world is "BWG and
KITT" ;D ;D ;D
It looks like we are very late for the show South Of The Border since our "
SmartFor TwentyFour LIMO" with "W-I-N-G-S" has not arrived?
Quote(http://www.guyanachronicle.com/page-one-august-25.jpg)`FANTASTIC', `Breathtaking', `Out of this world', were among the words used by Guyanese yesterday to describe a scintillating aerial demonstration by the world-renowned Brazilian Air Force's Smoke Squadron (Esquadrilha da Fumaca)
Now, that must have been "Smart Flying"; and, one wonders if "OS/2 for PowerPC" can run on these? ;D
Have a nice day!
Regards,
SAB
Perhaps Microsoft will have its own hard ware for Windows like Apple has for os? Perhaps this will free other computer companies to install whatever os they want on the hard ware? ??? ::)
If the Fortwo was as narrow as the Tango, it would be a ForOne. ;D
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.08.26, 03:03:40
Perhaps Microsoft will have its own hard ware for Windows like Apple has for os? Perhaps this will free other computer companies to install whatever os they want on the hard ware? ??? ::)
If the Fortwo was as narrow as the Tango, it would be a ForOne. ;D
Hey BigWarpGuy,
If it is not going to be surprising if Microsoft comes out with
Quoteits own hard ware for Windows like Apple has for os?
my guess is that instead of "Tango" the name might be "Samba" and the colors will all be shades of Greenin keeping with the Greening Revolution that is taking place in the world and that would be called Smart Greening by Redmondians ;D
Best regards,
SAB
The problem is not Redmond, the bypass goes right thru, its in on Issequaw Sasckomich and The Renton Highlands, that is where you get in trouble, no jungle no Starbucks no aircars...no place to "PLUG-IN"
green is simple, blue is fun...no stretching the point! [or is it Big Al's Limo-server on OS/2?] and now, for the Limo Dispatcher...
The Tango is a very narrow electric vehicle that seats two; the paasenger behind the driver. The first Tangos had a price tag of $80,00.00. :) 8)
Hey BigWarpGuy,
Re:
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.08.26, 03:03:40
Perhaps Microsoft will have its own hard ware for Windows like Apple has for os? Perhaps this will free other computer companies to install whatever os they want on the hard ware? ??? ::)
If the Fortwo was as narrow as the Tango, it would be a ForOne. ;D
Problems, Problems, Problems...
Quote
Brazil: An emerging market faces challenges
SAO PAULO, Brazil--Drive through the Morumbi neighborhood and you'll see luxury homes and one of the city's best hospitals. But head just two blocks further and you will find yourself in Paraisopolis, one of the city's many slums.
No wonder that tech executives see the Brazilian market in equally divergent terms.
Brazil is the world's fifth-largest PC market and is part of the influential BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India, China) that always gets talked about. Yet for all its strengths, it does not have the cash influx of either India or China, nor does it have those countries' strong education systems, cheap labor forces or access to capital.
"We always joke that the BRIC is really IC," said Claudia Fan Munce, an IBM executive who grew up in Brazil and focuses on IBM's venture efforts in emerging markets.
They do not accept Microsoft,....
http://news.cnet.com/Brazil-An-emerging-market-faces-challenges/2009-1042_3-6245401.html?tag=nefd.lede
Perhaps, that MS "SAMBA" PC may be accepted. ;D ;D ;D
Have a nice day.
SAB
Brazil has a cool looking little car by Obvio called 828 and 012. The 828 is nice but the 012 is sportier. It can use either ethanol or gasoline. http://www.obviousa.com ;D
Re:
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.08.27, 02:16:55
Brazil has a cool looking little car by Obvio called 828 and 012. The 828 is nice but the 012 is sportier. It can use either ethanol or gasoline. http://www.obviousa.com ;D
It might be a really real cool for the Obvio to become a SmartObvio by becoming OS/2-eCS enabled so that SmartPeople in the U.S.A in their SmartFor Twelve can Communicate, Collaborate and Coordinate with SmartPeople in Brazil driving their SmartObvio
Quote(http://www.obvio.ind.br/Novo_Site/produtos/imagens/image_8281.jpg)
on ways in which they can improve the social lives of the peoples of United States of America and Brazil. ;D
Re:
Quote
Brazil: An emerging market faces challenges
"Drive through the Morumbi neighborhood and you'll see luxury homes and one of the city's best hospitals. But head just two blocks further and you will find yourself in Paraisopolis, one of the city's many slums...."
"There was a retailer in one of the countries that sold their systems with Linux," said Gartner analyst Luis Anavitarte. "They made a survey of clients within the first 30 days; 95 percent were already on Windows." ( ??? )
http://news.cnet.com/Brazil-An-emerging-market-faces-challenges/2009-1042_3-6245401.html?tag=nefd.lede
Never Say Never! ;D 8) ;D
Think that Brazilians do not have access to development finance - think again! ;)
Quote
What Is the IDB?
The IDB is today the main source of multilateral financing for sustainable economic, social and institutional development in Latin America and the Caribbean, as well as for regional integration. It provides loans, grants, guarantees, policy advice and technical assistance to the public and private sectors in its Latin American and Caribbean borrowing member countries. Fulfilling a long-standing Latin American aspiration, the IDB was established in 1959 with bold mandates and novel tools that made it a model for other regional development banks.
The IDB Group is composed of the IDB, the Inter-American Investment Corporation (IIC) and the Multilateral Investment Fund (MIF). The IIC focuses on support for small and medium-sized businesses, while the MIF promotes private sector growth through grants and investments.
http://www.iadb.org/aboutus/I/index.cfm?language=English
Thus, from all appearances all that the world is awaiting now is the arrival of eComStation 2.0 from the Serenity folks; and, if eComStation 2.0 does not arrive with all the "bells" and "whistles" to make the Americans and Brazilians happy then there may be lots of :( faces at Christmas time. 8)
Best regards,
SAB
SmartObvio 828 or SmartObvio 012 sounds good. It is even shown with a computer screen. :)
(http://www.obvio.ind.br/Novo_Site/produtos/imagens/interior_828.jpg)
(http://www.obvio.ind.br/Novo_Site/produtos/601964235305_0_BG.jpg)
(http://www.obvio.ind.br/Novo_Site/produtos/834444235305_0_BG.jpg)
(http://www.smartcarofamerica.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=3560)
Here is a possible location for the eCS pc. :)
(http://www.smartcarofamerica.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=1525)
Here is another possible location for a eCS pc. :)
Hi All,
Re:
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.08.28, 01:47:47
SmartObvio 828 or SmartObvio 012 sounds good. It is even shown with a computer screen. :)
(http://www.obvio.ind.br/Novo_Site/produtos/imagens/interior_828.jpg)
(http://www.obvio.ind.br/Novo_Site/produtos/601964235305_0_BG.jpg)
(http://www.obvio.ind.br/Novo_Site/produtos/834444235305_0_BG.jpg)
It would be Smart (neat) if when soccer matches between the United States America and Brazil are being played they could be viewed on the screens of the "SmartObvio 828, SmartObvio 012, the SmartFor Two, the SmartFor Four, the SmartFor Eight, the
SmartFor Twelve L-i-m-o...... ; and, it could be S-m-a-r-t-e-r still if Americans and Brazilians can figure out (when using their SmartPCs powered by OS/2-eCS) how to solve the social and economic problems of the folks (in the case of Brazil) living in the
Quotefavelas (slums) located throughout the country's largest cities.
and, the problems in the "housing and financial markets" (in the case of the United States of America). 8)
It is called - "e-C-o-m-m-e-r-c-e" ;D 8) ;D
Best regards,
SAB
Hi All,
Re:
QuoteIt would be Smart (neat) if when soccer matches between the United States America and Brazil are being played they could be viewed on the screens of the "SmartObvio 828, SmartObvio 012, the SmartFor Two, the SmartFor Four, the SmartFor Eight, the SmartFor Twelve L-i-m-o...... ; and, it could be S-m-a-r-t-e-r still if Americans and Brazilians can figure out (when using their SmartPCs powered by OS/2-eCS) how to solve the social and economic problems of the folks (in the case of Brazil) living in the
Quote
favelas (slums) located throughout the country's largest cities.
and, the problems in the "housing and financial markets" (in the case of the United States of America). Cool
It is called - "e-C-o-m-m-e-r-c-e" ;D 8) ;D
It would be really, really S-m-a-r-t if contact could be made with all those Brazilians (especially those from the Brazilian banking communities) who were once very much "in love" with the OS/2 Operating System; but whom, from all appearances have all but disappeared. :(
Regards,
SAB
I guess those Brazilian bankers were assimilated by the WinBorg. ;D
Re:
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.08.30, 03:10:23
I guess those Brazilian bankers were assimilated by the WinBorg. ;D
Hey BigWarpGuy,
Even if
Quotethose Brazilian bankers were assimilated by the WinBorg
don't tell us that there are no "relics" of the "OS/2 IT Infrastructure" (like those of the "Incas of Peru, the Mayans...) that once existed. What do you call this - A complete wipe out of the OS/2 Civilization in Brazil without a trace or what? ??? 8)
It must be time for Star Ship "Enterprise Warp" to emerge in the Amazon Region. 8)
What better way to make a lasting impression than with the OS/2-eCS Logos flashing on the sides of the
Quote(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/04/smart_fortwo_limo_opt.jpg)
as it drives through the cities. ;D 8) ;D
Have a nice day.
SAB
It is a good way to give a good lasting impression unless one accidentally runs them over which would give a negative lasting impression. ;D
Re:
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.09.04, 01:14:38
It is a good way to give a good lasting impression unless one accidentally runs them over which would give a negative lasting impression. ;D
Now, this would not be so nice after all - particularly if large areas of peasant lands were lost due to the demand for ETHANOL (E85) to run the SmartFor Twelve LIMO If there is such an unfortunate incident then this may be cause for "double" ($$) compensation... Then, They All Can (Will) Live Happily Ever After. ;D ;D ;D
Hey BWG, Did you ever see that IBM "Times Square" OS/2 Launch Ad! ::)
Regards,
SAB
I did not see that commercial. :( I will check to see if it is on the video or youtube part of Google. 8)
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.09.05, 19:36:18
I did not see that commercial. :( I will check to see if it is on the video or youtube part of Google. 8)
I have got a video on it and if and when I can get it copied you are sure to get a copy; but, in order for the Serenity International folks to make a "lasting impression in those Brazilian Cities" they will have to get the "actors" and the "onlookers/audience" saying "eComStation", "eComStation", "eComStation...." (eCS) instead of OS/2 Warp, OS/2 Warp, OS/2 Warp....! ;D ;D ;D
That's what the commercial is like. ;)
Kindest regards,
SAB
Perhaps it could be dubbed so it sounds like they are saying 'eComStation, eComStation, eComStation'? ???
8)
Re:
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.09.06, 04:01:17
Perhaps it could be dubbed so it sounds like they are saying 'eComStation, eComStation, eComStation'? ???
8)
Hey BigWarpGuy,
At this rate (promoting/planning to promote eComStation) I suspect that an Ad Revenue "C-
H-E-
C-K" from "
Serenity Systems International" may be in the "mail" and headed to our respective addresses (including that of the "OS/2 World Foundation's") !. ;D ::) ;D
Kindest regards,
SAB
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.09.06, 04:36:31
Re:
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.09.06, 04:01:17
Perhaps it could be dubbed so it sounds like they are saying 'eComStation, eComStation, eComStation'? ???
8)
Hey BigWarpGuy,
At this rate (promoting/planning to promote eComStation) I suspect that an Ad Revenue "C-H-E-C-K" from "Serenity Systems International" may be in the "mail" and headed to our respective addresses (including that of the "OS/2 World Foundation's") !. ;D ::) ;D
Kindest regards,
SAB
I like that idea. ;D
Re:
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.09.06, 12:55:09
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.09.06, 04:36:31
Re:
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.09.06, 04:01:17
Perhaps it could be dubbed so it sounds like they are saying 'eComStation, eComStation, eComStation'? ???
8)
Hey BigWarpGuy,
At this rate (promoting/planning to promote eComStation) I suspect that an Ad Revenue "C-H-E-C-K" from "Serenity Systems International" may be in the "mail" and headed to our respective addresses (including that of the "OS/2 World Foundation's") !. ;D ::) ;D
Kindest regards,
SAB
I like that idea. ;D
Hey BigWarpGuy,
Are there any plans as to what you will do with your "earnings" ;D from "eComStation" Ad Revenue. This is what comes to mind:
Quote(http://images.traderonline.com//img/3/plcnad/5053162/85454096_1thumb_550x410.jpg)
The SmartFamily RV Trader plus the SmartFor Twelve Limo! ;D ;D ;D
Bring on those "Ads" Serenity Systems International. 8) ;)
Have a nice day.
Best regards.
SAB
(http://www.gizmag.com/pictures/9535_26060884003.jpg)
I think this is cool. This is where I would spend my huge 'payoff'. ;D
8)
Quote(http://news.luxemont.com/images/news/pershing200.jpg)
Quote
Cerri 86 Flying Sport
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qvt5mzpwcY
How about staying closer to the earth's surface and getting all "wet"... ;D ;D ;D
http://www.gizmag.com/project-veloce-130-metre-40-knot-pentamaran-super-yacht/9934/ (http://www.gizmag.com/project-veloce-130-metre-40-knot-pentamaran-super-yacht/9934/)
(http://www.gizmag.com/pictures/9934_40908100012.jpg)
How about this for luxury water travel? ;D
Oh shocks! Where do you ever get those from BWG? ;D Now, let's us see how Serenity Systems International and "you" can beat the below Google Ad. 8)
Quote(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20080906/GeoEye.bmp)
Google's rocket-borne logo.
(Credit: GeoEye/ULA)
The next frontier - Space. ;D ;D ;D
Best regards,
SAB
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.09.08, 00:44:24
Oh shocks! Where do you ever get those from BWG? ;D Now, let's us see how Serenity Systems International and "you" can beat the below Google Ad. 8)
Quote(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20080906/GeoEye.bmp)
Google's rocket-borne logo.
(Credit: GeoEye/ULA)
The next frontier - Space. ;D ;D ;D
Best regards,
SAB
Hey BWG,
Just curious to know if the Satellite with that Google Ad is in a position to provide us with some pictures of what is being left behind by "Hurricane IKE" and how many "SmartFor Fifty or Luxury Water Crafts" were seen/spotted during the "evacuations". :( 8)
And, with the advent of Global Warming"...this may take some getting used to!
Best regards.
SAB
With global warming melting the ice, perhaps they should develop a Smart ForWet vehicle? A Smart boat of sorts? ??? ;D 8)
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.09.13, 22:51:19
With global warming melting the ice, perhaps they should develop a Smart ForWet vehicle? A Smart boat of sorts? ??? ;D 8)
That would be really "neat"; and, I would add - with enough freezing (cold room) space for the "Penguins" (will that be OSes or those "Tuxedo
Clad Birds")!!! 8) ;D 8)
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.09.13, 23:43:35
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.09.13, 22:51:19
With global warming melting the ice, perhaps they should develop a Smart ForWet vehicle? A Smart boat of sorts? ??? ;D 8)
That would be really "neat"; and, I would add - with enough freezing (cold room) space for the "Penguins" (will that be OSes or those "Tuxedo Clad Birds")!!! 8) ;D 8)
It appears that the signs here would read - "No SmartFor Twos, SmartFor Twelve Limos... Allowed Here! ???
Quote(http://www.guyanachronicle.com/lost.jpg)
South American Amerindian leaders to meet in Guyana
-- logging threats to isolated tribes to be raised
THREATS from wildcat loggers to isolated native Indians in the Amazon forest of Brazil and Peru will be raised at a meeting of South American Amerindian leaders here later this month.
http://www.guyanachronicle.com/topstory.html
All in all, the continuing fight fight against "global warming" and to save the "rain forests".... it is supposed!
Hey BigWarpGuy,
Coming to a city near you from Chrysler:-
Quote(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20080923/peapod_540x355.jpg)
The Peapod, the basis for a planned all-electric city car.
(Credit: Chrysler)
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10048704-54.html?tag=newsEditorsPicksArea.0
Two is company - "The SmartFor Two" and "The Peapod". ;D ::) ;D
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.09.23, 23:31:58
Hey BigWarpGuy,
Coming to a city near you from Chrysler:-
Quote(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20080923/peapod_540x355.jpg)
The Peapod, the basis for a planned all-electric city car.
(Credit: Chrysler)
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10048704-54.html?tag=newsEditorsPicksArea.0
Two is company - "The SmartFor Two" and "The Peapod". ;D ::) ;D
It looks like a futuristic version of the Fortwo. I think that is really cool. Thanks for the link and information.
Hey BigWarpGuy;
Here is a picture on the Rolls Royce I may have mentioned in an early post:
Quote(http://www.stabroeknews.com/images/2008/09/20080927_oldcar-300x200.jpg)
http://www.stabroeknews.com/letters/old-car-still-works/
The only thing is that one may have to go South of the Border to get a ride in it.
Also, I am wonder when that Rolls Royce will finally meet the Smart For Two Pure (Old meeting New....)! ;D ;) ;D
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.09.29, 22:10:51
Hey BigWarpGuy;
Here is a picture on the Rolls Royce I may have mentioned in an early post:
Quote(http://www.stabroeknews.com/images/2008/09/20080927_oldcar-300x200.jpg)
http://www.stabroeknews.com/letters/old-car-still-works/
The only thing is that one may have to go South of the Border to get a ride in it.
Also, I am wonder when that Rolls Royce will finally meet the Smart For Two Pure (Old meeting New....)! ;D ;) ;D
It would be like Lightning McQueen meeting the shop keeper in the Disney's Cars movie. :) I just hope the young French car would be polite in greeting the old English car. :)
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.09.13, 22:51:19
With global warming melting the ice, perhaps they should develop a Smart ForWet vehicle? A Smart boat of sorts? ??? ;D 8)
Apparently we do not have to worry about global warming since it seems to be going the other way?
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/39611/113/ (http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/39611/113/)
"Chicago (IL) - In contrast to the looming 30-year trend of overall diminishing ice growth, the Arctic Ocean is again showing signs of a return to large ice packs. In 2008, first year ice coverage grew significantly. It set a record covering 73% of the entire Arctic basin. Because most of this was first year ice, and therefore thin, it was more prone to melting during the summer months. And while that did happen, the amount of first year ice is still large, possibly indicating the beginning of a trend."
Perhaps we would - eventually - have to put more co2 into the atmosphere? ??? ;D
Re:
Quote[.....Apparently we do not have to worry about global warming since it seems to be going the other way?...
And all this time I was saying to myself - what poor Tuxedo Clad Birds; but, alas they will be safe. Now to continue heading for the clouds at Warp Speed:
Quote
IBM puts 'Bluehouse' tinge on cloud computing\
IBM on Monday launched a major initiative into cloud computing, a current term for Internet-based services, in an effort it hopes will challenge the early lead of cloud pioneers such as Amazon and Google.
Among the offerings launched on Monday is "Bluehouse," a Web-based social-networking and collaboration service designed for business, a test version of which is available from IBM's Web site.
ibm
Bluehouse allows users to carry out many of the activities associated with social networks, but is specifically designed for businesses, with features such as document and contact sharing, joint projects, online meetings and online communities. The project is intended as a way for businesses to connect to partners, agencies, suppliers, customers, and outside experts.
Other services introduced on Monday include Lotus Sametime Unyte, for Web conferences and document sharing; Rational Policy Tester OnDemand, which scans Web content to deal with compliance issues; Rational AppScan OnDemand, which scans Web applications for security bugs; and Telelogic Focal Point, which enables information sharing among project management, engineering, marketing, and other teams.
The concept of cloud computing incorporates other recent developments in Internet-based computing, such as software as a service and the rich browser-based interfaces associated with Web 2.0. Google promotes the concept through its Google Apps, and Amazon through its Elastic Compute Cloud (EC2).
The term "cloud" itself is an abstraction of the idea of the Internet, and is based on the cloud symbol often used to represent the Internet in diagrams.
(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20081006/060506ibm.jpg)
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10059361-92.html?tag=newsEditorsPicksArea.0
Re:
QuoteApparently we do not have to worry about global warming since it seems to be going the other way?
Also,
Quote
MIT prof sees no free ride to cleaner cars
To get under the hood of transportation technology, just talk to John Heywood.
Heywood, a professor of mechanical engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and his colleagues took the proverbial big-picture view of transportation in a recent report on how the U.S. could slash gasoline usage by 2035.
John Heywood, MIT professor and transportation technology expert
(Credit: MIT)
Looking at the pace of technology development and the market "pull" of consumers, the report tries to sort out dead ends from more promising routes.
MIT's report concludes there's great potential for transportation technology. If lightweight hybrids and plug-in hybrids, for example, were the primary vehicle by 2035, the U.S. fleet would use about half the fuel it currently uses, helping significantly lower greenhouse gas levels.
Battery-powered cars aren't the only route to reinventing cars. Biofuels are touted as a gasoline replacement but are coming under more fire for financial and environmental reasons.
Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles remain the elusive prize--technically elegant yet stubbornly hard to make commercial and environmentally sustainable.
Meanwhile, smaller cars would go a long way to efficiency but automakers tend to build bigger and bigger cars, responding to consumer demand.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10050881-54.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.0
The big question is: Who is "right" and who is "wrong"; but, in the final analysis it will all come down to the - "economics". ???
Regards.
I like alternative fueled vehicles since they are different and cool; IMO. ;D
8)
Re:
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.10.08, 01:39:47
I like alternative fueled vehicles since they are different and cool; IMO. ;D
8)
What if some live in an area in the Amazon Jungle where there are no roads..... Then what!!! 8)
Quote(http://www.zodiacmilpro.com/news/pics/Proluxe638rescueboat.jpg)
Just don't fall overboard. ;D 8)
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.10.09, 04:12:14
Re:
Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.10.08, 01:39:47
I like alternative fueled vehicles since they are different and cool; IMO. ;D
8)
What if some live in an area in the Amazon Jungle where there are no roads..... Then what!!! 8)
Quote(http://www.zodiacmilpro.com/news/pics/Proluxe638rescueboat.jpg)
Just don't fall overboard. ;D 8)
There is always amphibious boats. There is one called SeaLegs. ;D
http://www.sealegs.com/ (http://www.sealegs.com/)
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Re:
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Ghee Whiz..... $700.000,000,000 and counting floating around and I still can't get my hands on some to get me one of these things. :-[
It must be because of they do not "run" with OS/2 aboard.! Makes me wonder if the "Voting Machines" still "run" on OS/2! ???
Quote from: saborion2 on 2008.10.10, 23:55:25
Re:
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Ghee Whiz..... $700.000,000,000 and counting floating around and I still can't get my hands on some to get me one of these things. :-[
It must be because of they do not "run" with OS/2 aboard.! Makes me wonder if the "Voting Machines" still "run" on OS/2! ???
Run Baby Run! Drill Baby Drill - "OIL" for the
Smart ForTwos, Smart ForTwelve Limos and the Smart Boats to burn. ;D ::) ;D
Quote
CGX begins US$16M seismic work
http://www.stabroeknews.com/news/cgx-begins-us16m-seismic-work/
One wonders when the "black gold" will be ready to be consumed by the "Smart ForTwos, Smart ForTwelve Limos; and, the Smart Boats; also, which Operating System, Applications and Smart Boats" "CGX" will be using! 8)
Lately the 'black gold' has lost some of its value. It is currently below $3 per gallon and have gone as low as $2.77 per gallon of regular. ;D I bought my little because I think it is cool; IMO. 8) Saving money on gas was a definite bonus. ;D
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Quote from: BigWarpGuy on 2008.10.19, 02:53:03
Lately the 'black gold' has lost some of its value. It is currently below $3 per gallon and have gone as low as $2.77 per gallon of regular. ;D I bought my little because I think it is cool; IMO. 8) Saving money on gas was a definite bonus. ;D
Since the price of the "black gold" is heading south then what are the reasons for the prices of commodities, air fares.... that it cause the head for the "skies" are not falling back to "Earth". 8) :P 8)
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India launches moon mission in Asian space race
http://my.att.net/s/editorial.dll?pnum=1&bfromind=7405&eeid=6163341&_sitecat=1505&dcatid=0&eetype=article&render=y&ac=-2&ck=&ch=ne&rg=blsadstrgt
Ghee Whiz BWG - why are we fussing with the (Earth Bound) "Smart Fortwo Pure" when we should be thinking about "Smart ForFour MOON BUGGIES" ;D after the Moon gets colonized (probably). What's your long term guess on this (colonization of space) actually happening. ;)
Also, one wonders what Operating System the Indians are using for their launch vehicles given that the Russians as it is known use OS/2?
Regards.
Perhaps a moon buggy version of the Smart EV? :) Being electric, it would not need air to run. Perhaps it could use a fuel cell to supplement the batteries and solar cells. 8)